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      #360585 - 08/25/10 12:42 PM
SHERRYB

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I am looking for a good moist banana bread or muffin recipe.
I have IBSC and cannot seem to tolerate dairy or wheat products.

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      #360598 - 08/26/10 05:33 AM
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There are a number of banana bread/muffins recipes listed here. Banana bread/muffins usually contains white flour which is a wheat product.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360602 - 08/26/10 07:00 AM
SHERRYB

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So what alternative can I use for white flour?

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Re: banana bread new
      #360603 - 08/26/10 08:40 AM
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Do a Google search for gluten free banana bread such as this recipe . These recipes will not contain wheat flour but they usually contain dairy in the form of butter and milk and probably whole eggs. You will have to substitute oil and rice/almond milk for the dairy and egg whites for the whole eggs.

Do you have trouble with certain fruits as well as wheat products?

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Double check that you really can't tolerate wheat, as opposed to new
      #360607 - 08/26/10 12:19 PM
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whole wheat - check here http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/faq.asp#wheat

If it's truly all wheat you can't tolerate, make sure you've been checked for gluten intolerance too.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360674 - 08/30/10 09:59 AM
SHERRYB

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Im not sure about fruits. I am new to this and still trying to figure out what all bothers me. I was diagnosed with IBS.
But and finding wheat is bothersome also.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360682 - 08/30/10 02:10 PM
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Did your GI doc or GP do an blood test or endoscopy for Celiac Disease? If the answer is no then it might worth asking about. If yes, and the results were negative then it is possible to have problems from wheat for other reasons. I can explain further if you wish.

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Heather - new
      #360714 - 09/01/10 06:57 AM
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Heather -
I have been checked for celiac and tested negative(and I was definitely eating gluten before I was tested). But, I still have a LOT of gas, bloating, cramping and horrible constipation every time I eat bread, pasta, crackers, etc. (Only bread I can tolerate is ezekiel). I know that ezekiel bread has wheat and gluten in it, just like regular bread, but I can still tolerate it. Wonder why??

Also, I MISS your breads soooo much!! How can I make your breads gluten free? (I have no problems with ANY gluten free products - unless they are high in fat!) I have an all purpose gluten free flour, but I think I need to add xanthan gum too. Is that true? If so, how much do I add?

Thanks!

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Re: banana bread new
      #360715 - 09/01/10 07:04 AM
fancymom

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Hi Syl!!
Yes, yes. PLEASE explain further! I cannot tolerate ANY gluten products or wheat products except ezekiel. Wierd, huh?! I know ezekiel has wheat AND gluten in it. Go figure?!?!

I was tested for celiac disease(and I was definitely eating gluten before tested) and it came back negative.

Maybe it's because ezekiel products have not been raped of their natural state like other processed bread and wheat products?

Any of your wisdom would be much appreciated


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Re: banana bread new
      #360718 - 09/01/10 07:22 AM
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No I had an endoscopy and a colonoscopy and they only told me that I had IBS and that my intestines were very inflamed and I have a sliding hiatal hernia.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360722 - 09/01/10 08:35 AM
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Wheat and some other foods (e.g. artichokes, asparagus, garlic, onions) contain fructans that are indigestible. Inulin which is sold as a soluble fiber supplement is a fructan derived from chicory or Jerusalem artichokes. Heather suggests being very careful of using soluble fiber supplements containing inulin. Fructans are composed of long chains of fructose molecules. The human body does not make enzymes capable of breaking down fructans so they pass through to the colon where the colonic bacteria rapidly ferment them to produce gas and other byproducts. Some individuals with IBS experience an increase in symptoms when they eat foods containing high amounts of fructans such as wheat products. It is possible that Ezekiel bread contains less fructans than regular bread. Individuals who have trouble with fructans don't necessarily have to remove wheat from their diet but rather just reduce the amount they consume.

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Re: Heather - new
      #360727 - 09/01/10 11:36 AM
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Ooohhhh, converting regular bread and baking recipes to gluten-free can be tricky. There's a lot of food chemistry involved.

Your best bet might be to get a gluten free baking cookbook, and then modify those recipes to be IBS friendly. Substitute soy milk for dairy, use two egg whites for each whole egg, decrease the oil and increase the fruit purees, etc. That will probably be easier than starting with an IBS recipe and trying to swap out the wheat flour for gluten free flours.

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Re: Heather - new
      #360730 - 09/01/10 02:42 PM
fancymom

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Thank you Heather!

That's a great idea. I'll get me a GF cookbook this week.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360742 - 09/02/10 08:57 AM
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I too have problems with wheat. Is there a way, other than looking at where the wheat is in list of ingrediants, that we can tell how much wheat there is?

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Re: banana bread new
      #360744 - 09/02/10 04:30 PM
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The short answer is no.

The unfortunate thing is that while the role of fructans in GI symptoms has been worked there is little if any publicly available information on the amount a particular food contains. It is something you have to figure out by experimenting.

The general guideline is 0.2 grams of fructans per serving and wheat contains 1-4% fructans depending on variety, etc. My general guideline is 2 thin slices of homemade sourdough bread (or the equivalent in cookies, crackers, etc. ) per day.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360747 - 09/03/10 04:23 AM
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Thanks for the information. With all this information we have to keep track of just to keep the waters calm. We will all probably end up being nutritionist by the time this is all over with.

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Re: banana bread new
      #360911 - 09/13/10 12:46 PM
bermudakate

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hi there, just thought i would chime in here- ezekiel bread is sprouted, not processed like regular bread (which i'm sure you know)...sprouting causes enzymatic activity that often makes gluten and wheat more tolerable. also, have you tried manna bread? it's cakey and moist and SOOOO yummy

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Re: banana bread new
      #361208 - 10/02/10 01:16 PM
FraggleK

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I've been experimenting with banana bread too! I don't have it perfected yet, but I can tell you what I have discovered.

Bear in mind that I'm on a GFCF diet, so very strictly no gluten, no dairy of any sort (including some of the "non-dairy" products that have casein), as well as my other IBS restrictions. I went gluten free following my celiac biopsies, which came back negative. My blood tests showed a reaction to gluten though and my tummy made its displeasure with wheat products known very clearly and quickly a few times. (Notably white pasta and Coco Wheats.)

I like using Cybele Pascal's flour mix for this:
4 cups superfine brown rice flour (I've also used white)
1 1/3 cups potato starch (not potato flour)
2/3 cup tapioca flour (also called tapioca starch)
Rice flour and tapioca flour/starch can be found in oriental markets. I've only found potato starch at health food stores and Whole Foods so far.

Right now I'm working on adapting the Fanny Farmer recipe.

3 ripe bananas
substitute for 2 eggs (I use Ener-G egg replacer or liquid whites)
2 cups flour
1/2 cup sugar
1 teaspoon salt
one teaspoon xanthan gum (Helps bind things in the absence of gluten.)
1 teaspoon baking soda

Mash 3 ripe bananas and make sure there are no lumps. Add your preferred substitute for two eggs and mix thoroughly. I tried egg whites last time and found the flavor of the bread was not as rich as I'd like. I will try the Ener-G egg replacer next time.

In a separate bowl, combine 2 cups flour, 1/2 cup sugar, 1 teaspoon salt, one teaspoon xanthan gum, and 1 teaspoon baking soda. Mix thoroughly with a whisk. I've found a whisk is by far the best tool for combining the dry ingredients well. The original recipe called for more sugar, but I don't care for cloyingly sweet things in the morning, so I reduced it a bit. I've been thinking of trying brown sugar instead of white next time to see if it improves the richness of the bread at all. Even doing 1/4 cup brown and 1/4 cup white might work nicely.

Combine the dry and wet ingredients. Pour the batter into a greased 9x5 loaf pan.

Bake at 350 degrees F for one hour. The bread is done when a toothpick comes out clean or with fine crumbs, but nothing doughy clinging to it. It's not a problem if the top of the bread cracks-- this is fairly typical with this sort of baking. I am sometimes finding that GFCF baked goods require a longer cooking time or slightly higher temperature, but this seemed to work well following the original instructions.

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