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Does anyone else get these symptoms?
      #53127 - 03/22/04 06:08 PM
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I'm not really sure how to explain this....only a gastrointesional doctor can diagnose you with IBS right? Well after I had all kinds of tests - xrays, colinoscopy, a scope of my stomach, etc...he sent me home saying I was just 'irritated'. I went in for a follow up about 2 weeks later after looking up IBS on my own, and I suggested that I thought I had it. He said, 'yeah yeah that's what I think you have'. So since then I've been on this website, trying to change my diet (I've been following it exactly for about a week now).

I'm just a little nervous because I was vomiting for about a month, and I get these anxiety attacks...like when we go to a friends house, I get really nervous all of a sudden and I just want to go home. I feel dizzy and nausous sometimes. I'm scared to go anywhere for the weekends, and we have trips planned this weekend and the next 3 weekends!

Also, I lost a lot of weight in the past 3 months, and weight loss isn't a symptom of IBS. But I think I lost the weight because I was throwing up so much.
Now I am taking benefiber, and eating according to the diet, and some days I feel like it's working, and others I feel really crappy all day.

So I guess what I'm asking is - does anyone else get those anxiety attacks? Do they go away? Does anyone else get nausous? (I haven't thrown up for about a month now, I just feel really light-headed).

How long did it take everyone to get 'stabilized'? I want to start eating some other foods, but I'm really scared!

Thank you for listening - sorry so long!
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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53130 - 03/22/04 06:19 PM
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Cara, I feel for you! I went through a similar thing two and a half years ago. I had alot of stress in my life, planning a wedding, moving, changin jobs, all at the same time. I found that almost anything could tip me off and cause me to panic. During that time I had a sensitive stomach, probably when my IBS began, but I had so much on my mind that my stomach was the least of my worries.

I had to focus on removing stress from my life. That really helped my panic attacks to subside, and for me to gain control. What I did was become focused on myself. I spent more time relaxing at home, and doing the things I love, which is cooking and crafts. It was hard to make myself take down time, but I needed it. After a few weeks and months it got better, and now I have not had an attack in over a year.

I wish you the best, please ask me if you have any other questions,
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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53131 - 03/22/04 06:36 PM
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Thank you!!
I felt like you were writing about me! In this past year and a half I graduated college, got married, moved away from my parents (I am so close to them so it was really hard), started a new job, and now we are looking for a house! And my job isn't exactly stress free - I'm an engineer and I work outside with a bunch of male contractors - who aren't exactly the happiest to have to listen to me, and it's stressful everyday. I am going to start seeing a therapist for stress this week. I hope he can help.
I'm glad to hear you haven't had an attack like that in over a year. I can't wait to be able to say that!
Thanks for reading/responding, I really appreciate it.
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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53132 - 03/22/04 06:38 PM
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By the way - where in Chicago do you live? I grew up in Wheaton, and I lived in Lisle and Naperville. My husband and I just moved to Peoria last July. It's a lot smaller, but a lot less traffic! I'm starting to really like it here, but I miss Chicago every now and then.
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      #53137 - 03/22/04 06:49 PM

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I feel like I want to throw up often though I don't (I take ginger tablets) years ago I lost alot of weight and was really scared cause I dropped so much and so quick. I was always getting sick and started to have anziety attacks cause I was afraid I would get sick when I went out and started to not want to go out.
Once you get your IBS under control and start to relax the anxiety attacks go down.
I took me a long time to stablize my IBS. A couple months in fact. Even when I first started a low dose of Acacia ( cause I can't handle the other fibers) I was getting sick.
It was about 1 1/2 to adjust to the Acacia and now my life is starting to return to normal.
So... don't worry it will come. And your energy level will come back. It's just down from stess and all the energy from worrying.



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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53144 - 03/22/04 07:23 PM
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Seems like you got good advice, and as far as I know... weight loss IS a symptom of IBS. Not one of my symptoms, unfortunately.

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      #53145 - 03/22/04 07:47 PM
Dalia

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Wow, its like I could almost hear the me of three years ago in your post.
I have had ibs for 9 years, but about 5 years in, when it reached a peak, I started to get panic attacks. I had never had them before (but was always an easy blusher!), but could not understand what was happening to me. I had just moved to a new country (to be with a boyfriend), i was just 21, I didn't speak the language that well, people were very different culturally, I had a demanding job, and felt very alone. It was so weird, because one minute I felt like I was fine, and then suddenly they started and spiralled out of control. I didn't know whether to comfort myself or hate myself.
I became socially phobic, even going to the shop I knew I would have to have a conversation with the shopkeeper and would go bright red and start with the cold sweats etc.
My boyfriend at the time saw I was suffering so much, with my ibs as much as with the panic and took me to an incredible naturopath who prescribed me a diet to follow which changed my life.
As soon as I started the diet my panic went, but the blushing remained and slowly got better till I left the country, and came home and felt safer.
Now I am moving to New York to get married and start my life here (its a different boyfriend!!!, i am from London), and was very worried about starting in a new place again, seeing as what happened last time. And there were two days a few weeks ago where I thought I felt the panic returning, but I made myself relax and told myself not to jump the gun and maybe it would go, and it did.
What I am trying to say to you is that the way you are suffering now is the worst it is going to be, because you are at the beginning where you are out of your depth. You will gather self confidence and knowledge as to how to deal with these symptoms, and in a while (I know it seems like forever, but time does pass) you will be at home in your skin again.
I think (and my naturopath told me so kindly) that it is also chemical. I belive people with ibs have a problem with their nervous system to a point (like I get temperature fluctuations very easily), homeostasis etc. And the diet thing is so important. I took out alllllll stimulants. No caffiene, no sugar, no cigarettes. They must go. You have to make sure you never get low blood sugar as this will exacerbate your attacks. Eat calming meals, a plate of brown rice, bowl of soup, toast...something substantial.
The other thing I did was take up yoga (I was too panicy to attend a class with a room full of people). I did it as a present to myself, to try and do something positive amongst all the frustration from having gone from an outgoing confident person to this 'thing' as I considered myself.
And finally, something a beautiful old man said to me amidst the panic:
'When your body has [censored] in it, it goes to the toilet and shits. When your soul has something to get out, this is its only channel!'
Please be kind to yourself!!!

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Hi Cara! new
      #53156 - 03/22/04 08:48 PM
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Oh yeah. Dizzy, you bet. And I get nauseated a lot. But have never thrown up. LOTS of anxiety! Big time. Thank goodness for Michael's hypnotherapy program; he did wonders for me.

About your GI -- find another. They all seem to go to the same School of Idiots. I hope your regular doc is much more knowledgeable and caring.

It took me a very short time to get stabilized -- a few months. It required (1) reading Heather's books several times, (2) staying with the boards and learning everything I could (which just reiterated and confirmed what I had read in Heather's books), (3) followed the program religiously and STOPPED CHEATING (giving up coffee), and (4) doing Michael's program every night.

If you don't feel comfortable eating at friends' homes, for now -- and I mean FOR NOW -- don't do it. You need to get stabilized, but you really need to learn what you can and can't eat. Until you learn that really well, you can't tell your friends what to serve you.

And do find a way to tell your friends. If they really care for you, they will stick by you. Be prepared, however -- because I lost friends over my IBS. You'd be surprised how people will turn away when you try to explain that you can't go on long trips without bathrooms nearby, that you just aren't the kind who can hang your butt over a log in the woods.

Okay, I'm rambling again -- sorry about that ...

Don't be in too big of a hurry to add in other foods. Just take it slowly. It sounds like you're doing a real good job so far, and that you're feeling a little better? That should continue as time passes. Then you can try adding some veggies to chicken or vegetable stock; soup's great, and you can serve it with some French bread. Yum. Fruit can be added to smoothies; Heather has a terrific recipe in here for banana-berry smoothie (it's also in her book), and it's delicious.

When you feel up to it, you can try some of the incredible recipes in the recipe board; of course they're all IBS-safe. It's fun to experiment with different things, and even more fun when you discover they don't bother your tummy!

Venture out to the nearby health food store and discover the joys of soy. Can you imagine a pizza? Yep -- Amy's frozen soy cheese pizza. YUMMERS!

Don't be scared, Cara. We're here to help you. You can get better, I promise.

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      #53182 - 03/23/04 05:10 AM
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Thank you everyone! new
      #53183 - 03/23/04 05:30 AM
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I just want to say THANK YOU so much for responding. Your responses made me feel a LOT better. Thank God for this message board!
I wish I could find a different GI - but I live in a small area and there is only one group of them (which is the group I've been going to). They were going to send me to Chicago for moa second opinion, but I can't afford it right now. And since I researched IBS myself, I feel much better knowing what I have.

I will try everything you all said. I did buy Heather's recipe book! I'm just scared to use it yet. Maybe in a week or so.

I'm doing good on the diet - but I don't know if I can give up sugar completely! I live for sugar. I don't even care that much about chocolate, but SUGAR?!?!

Anyways - thank you so much. I really appreciate it. This board has made me feel SO much better in the past week!

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Hi, Cara. new
      #53184 - 03/23/04 05:31 AM
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Doctors can be so off the mark it's amazing. How are we supposed to have faith in a diagnosis like that? "yeah yeah that's what I think you have." OMG, I get soooo frustrated hearing stories like that.

As for the vomiting... I don't have that, but I've never been (as an old friend used to put it) "an easy puker." What I do have, though, is "episodes." That's what my doctor calls them! He and I are friends and he had been having a hard time grasping what was going on with me 'til last July when we were at a party together. I know now that I was too tired, got too hot, and had eaten too many fatty foods (didn't know about that stuff at the time!), and I got really dizzy, very disoriented, very nauseous, very cold-sweaty. He made me lie down (everyone thought I was trashed, but I hadn't had a lick!) and checked my blood pressure, heart rate, etc... Within a half an hour I was running to the bathroom with D. I was sick for a week. Now I know that when I get that woozy, disoriented, nauseous, cold-sweaty feeling, I need to take my meds and get to bed, ASAP! (I also stay out of over-heated situations. That's a huge trigger for me. But that's neither here nor there, is it...? And we ramble on... )

I also lost about 40 pounds last year from being sick, so maybe everyone with IBS doesn't lose weight, but I think it's not too too unusual, especially for those who aren't eating right. I lost that from being very ill and being afraid to eat more than toast. Once I started Heather's plan, I wasn't afraid anymore and branched out.

One last comment in regards to the vomiting: it's not a typical IBS thing, from what I've read. Yes, people can get nauseous and may vomit from pain and from severe attacks, but you may want to seek out a second opinion with another Doc. There are other things (celiac and gall bladder issues come to mind, but there are more) that could be going on that could cause vomiting. You need to rule them out definitively! You don't want to be going along assuming it's one thing when it could be another. Your doc isn't too confidence-inspiring. At least find one who can be more certain he's done all he can do....

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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53185 - 03/23/04 05:38 AM
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I do get panic attacks but, until I read you post and the posts of all the people who responded, I never connected the stomach problems to the panic attacks.

By panic attacks do you mean the feeling that you can't breath? Almost like your chest is constricted or your diaphram is frozen and won't move? This is very eye opening. Thanks for posting your original question.

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      #53193 - 03/23/04 06:12 AM
Dalia

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Hey cara
sorry if I was confusing about the giving up sugar thing. I know it sounds like hell!
But listen, there are a whole lot of blood sugar issues associated with panic attacks. And blood sugar issues are also associated with some ibs symptoms.
For example, you shouldn't go too long without eating something when you have ibs. And when I mean something, it should be something of a complex carbohydrate (starchy) source, bread, soup, rice, etc. This is because your symptoms will get much worse if your tummy becomes totally empty. I carry around rice crackers whereever I go because I get low blood sugar so suddenly and quickly which can then lead to anxiety symptoms! If I eat regularly (and the right foods!!) I am totally calm.
Now the problem with sugar is that if you eat something really sugary, or have a cup of sugary tea, on an empty stomach, your blood sugar will shoot up quickly, you'll have a spurt of energy and then it will drop again, so your symptoms will be all over the place.
What I will suggest is that you try to reduce the sugar in your diet. The very fact that you crave it so much and need it, is an indication that you are, I hate to use this word, because sugar isn't en evil in moderation!!! addicted in a way to it, reliant upon it.
I cannot tell you how central the discovery of my 'addiction' to sugary things was to the healing of my ibs.
If you must have something sugary try to make sure it is after a good meal of something 'proper'.
I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I was helped so infinetly with my anxiety and my ibs by giving up sugar. I am not suggesting you do something that extreme as to give it up...but wow, it changed my life and my energy levels.
If you do want to give it up, cold turkey (I must say this just incase) prepare for a few days of headaches!!!
if you need anymore info please write to me. And I am sorry if I am bringing bad advice for you right now. I remember when my naturopath told me to give up sugar I was stunned, I loved it so much!!
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      #53207 - 03/23/04 06:42 AM
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Dalia, this is GREAT info! THANK YOU! I'm not Cara, but this helps me IMMENSELY. You might as well have been directing that post to me. I'm afraid I'm a sugar addict. I've been trying to go "cold-turkey" ever since Monday, but I'm not having too much luck. I started out okay, but yesterday I really blew it on my fave mocha fudge. GRRRRRR. Luckily we're almost out of the stuff, so we just won't replace it when it's gone. I've been appeasing myself with a little cocoa when I was having my "withdrawals," and then I discovered the box of baby arrowroot biscuits and went crazy.

Ruchie was so proud of me at first, and I'm hanging my head now. Don't tell her; I don't want her to know I'm such a failure.

I'll do better, I promise. Your post was VERY informative, very helpful (and not at ALL harsh). Thank you SOOO much!



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Re: Wow! new
      #53215 - 03/23/04 06:53 AM
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Omigod, Bevrs..I am a TOTAL SUGAR ADDICT as well!! I don't think I could ever get sick of desserts. I could live off them! I LOVE chocolate, but I haven't eaten any for the last week or so and as long as I don't have any in the house I should be fine. I'm eventually going to snap and HAVE to eat some, though. I mean, how can you survive without it???? Not me!!
What I am trying to do to help myself eat less sugar is to focus more on pasta and pancakes and other "non-sugary things". also, I'm not putting as much sugar in my desserts. Maybe you should try this too (we'll try it together). Everytime you make a dessert, keep adding less and less so you GRADUALLY get used to the taste of less sugar. Maybe this will help us "wean" ourselves of our need for sugar.
I mean, of course we will still crave it and have to have it every once in awhile, but for the most part we can learn to eat lower-sugar foods. Also, have you ever tried using Splenda?? This is not like Nutra-sweet or Equal. It has no aspartame or anything artificial. It tastes just like sugar, and I'm wondering if anyone uses this???


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      #53219 - 03/23/04 07:05 AM
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Hi Melissa,

Congrats on doing so well, by the way! I'm real happy for you.

I believe Splenda is a no-no. I don't use the stuff. All imitation sugar is a trigger.

I'm gonna do okay without sugar (having a little trouble lately, but I'll do better). Okay, I'm having a little honey in my tea this morning, but just a little. Hubby put the RKTs and the ADBs down the garbage disposal (boy, did that hurt!), as well as my marshmallow fluff for my cocoa. (I hid the cocoa, so he couldn't put that down there.)

I guess I'm not doing it cold turkey, rather weaning myself away gradually. I gotta tell ya, Girlfriend, I'm sleeping SOOOO much better, and on the days when I'm good I don't get nearly as hungry; my appetite level is so much more in control.

Thanks for your post. By the way, you love chocolate? (I used to also.) You need to chat with our own Miss JenX. She's a chocolatier! Yep, actually makes the stuff and sells it. Can you believe it? She's amazing. Have you met her own Colin, the Happy Colon?


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Re: Splenda new
      #53224 - 03/23/04 07:17 AM
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Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that JenX makes chocolates!! There is no way I could do that! I would be eating them left and right. That would be way too tempting for me!
Bevrs, I am slowly weaning myself off sugar, too. Hopefully we can both make it without a breakdown!

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Bev--- I see Colin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! new
      #53248 - 03/23/04 08:01 AM
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Yay, Colin!

Bev, I wanted to say how glad I am that weaning off of the chocolate is helping your apetite and your sleep. That's amazingly good news. How are your AM headaches????

And don't worry about Ruchie. She's not going to be mad. She's got so much love in her that she may come give you bigs hugs, but she's not going to be mad!



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      #53253 - 03/23/04 08:05 AM
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When you do splurge on chocolate, try to make it a quality dark chocolate. They have less milk and less sugar than other chocolates.

(FYI: "Quality chocolates" are not sold in the grocery store or the gas station on the little wire racks! You've got to go to Godiva or a nice coffee shop or boutique that sells chocolate. Try Belgian chocolates or anything not made by Hershey's or Mars to start out with! You want it to be 80%+ cocoa solids. Now THAT'S GOOD CHOCOLATE! )

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Re: Chocolate binges! new
      #53257 - 03/23/04 08:09 AM
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Jen,
Are you ever tempted to just eat a bunch of your chocolates? That sounds so good right now!! Do you actually sell the chocolates you make or give them away for presents or what?

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Re: Wow! and more sugar! hahhahah new
      #53267 - 03/23/04 08:28 AM
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Hey there
I am so glad the info helped you.
Good for you in weaning yourself off...it will happen. I promise you will crave it less. I only crave it when I am naughty and reintroduce it to my diet. I am lucky that I can tolerate fruit well after a meal, which gives me a bit of natural sugar there which doesn't set off energy rollercoaster.
Over the three years I haven't touched sugar (and I have such a sweet tooth...comes with the ibs territory!!!), I have read so much about it, and have become quite anti it actually!!! I think it is one of the many reasons there is such an obesity problem in the western world (I have travelled widely in developing countries!),and our poor children....read anything about their health recently? childhood type two diabetes etc. It raises cholesterol and triglyceride levels and so much more!!! Oh, I could go on and on and bore you all to death!
What I am trying to say is that there is a beautiful energy constant world out there which can be attained!!! You can wean yourself off (the making cakes with less and les sugar each time is a great idea) or you can be a masochist like me and swipe it away cold turkey! But I promise you, your taste buds will adapt and a carrot will taste sooooo sweet. I KNOW that natural foods taste soooo much better to me then to people that sweeten everything!
but this doesn't mean that you never eat it again. I have a little tradition that on birthdays, weddings etc I will allow myself some cake / cookies . It becomes such a beautiful treat!
Ok think I have splurted enough passion for a non sugary lifestyle here! off on a day out in the sunshine with my fiance...lucky me.....rice cakes are packed!!!
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Dark Chocolate question? new
      #53269 - 03/23/04 08:28 AM
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Jen, this is as dark as I've been able to find when the urge hits. web page And even then, I have to beg my little local health food store to stock them.

Where can I get something with 80% cocoa solids? (links?) That's a higher % than I've ever heard of.
I've always been a purist when it comes to chocolate....and the darker the better!

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Re: Chocolate binges! new
      #53270 - 03/23/04 08:31 AM
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Actually, no. I'm not too tempted. I don't care for white chocolate or milk chocolate. I will occassionally have to test some new recipes, and I make sure it's the dark chocolate I taste. I'd rather make 'em for other people and watch them enjoy them than eat it and get sick! I do have a weakness for truffles and chocolate-dipped fruit, so I make sure I don't keep them around the house.

I have been selling them small-time for a few months, but will be online (SOON!) @ thechocolateofthemonth.com for all to purchase! I'm excited.

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      #53291 - 03/23/04 09:06 AM
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Tel Aviv? When do you/have you lived there? Where exactly? When was the last time you were there? I spent 7 weeks in Hod Hasharon! It's z-beste!

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Be careful with Splenda, it is an artificial sweetener.... new
      #53373 - 03/23/04 11:06 AM
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it's actually a chemically engineered reverse molecule of sugar - definitely not a sweetener that occurs naturally. It does have potential GI side effects, so be careful. You might try stevia, a natural plant sweetener that's much sweeter than sugar and has no calories, instead. Health food stores carry it. It won't cause any GI problems at all.

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Re: Chocolate binges! new
      #53507 - 03/23/04 03:44 PM
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Hello Bernard Callebaut Chocolates, the dark ones! Hmm, I don't think you can find him in the States . . . Too bad for you!

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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53509 - 03/23/04 03:47 PM
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Yes! I told you, those attacks are hard to explain. I lose my breath, I feel dizzy, I just want to be alone and I need it to be quiet...it's just the worst feeling. I hope they go away. I just get so nervous.
I have stress/anxiety problems even w/o IBS, so it just makes it worse. I just started seeing a therapist, so we'll see if he helps me at all.

I never used to get these attacks, so I know they are caused by a combination of IBS and my own nerves/stress.

Thanks for responding!
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Re: sugar new
      #53512 - 03/23/04 03:57 PM
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Dalia,
You are completely right about sugar, and I know it....it's just so hard! I noticed after I read your email that I have been eating a lot of sugar still....I know I'm addicted to it. Before IBS, I could eat a pound of skittles in one sitting, haha. For real though!
I will try to cut down on sugar. Can we eat stuff like flavored oatmeal? What about flavored rice cakes? I was reading the ingredients on apple-cinnimon rice cakes and it has artifical flavors and all...so I was worried to eat them right now.

Anyways, thanks for you info. I really need to try. If it helps, it'll be worth it, because I'm going through a really bad time right now.

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Re: Tel Aviv? new
      #53589 - 03/23/04 08:23 PM
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Hey Ruchie
Lord I am all over the place....I came back in november after travelling eight months around the world (new zealand, ozzieland, singapore, thailand, laos, cambodia, vietnam, india, italy!). I was travelling with my boyfriend, now fiance (we got engaged in vietnam!) and we are getting married in july in Israel. Both are families are Israeli, but I grew up in London and him in New York! So this year is split into three, some in London, some in NY, and some in Israel! In september I will be permanently placed in NY! It will be weird to be in one place not being nomadic!!!
For one thing, I have bcome an expert of where the health food shops are in which countries! hahahahah
I've never been to hod hasharon...but I've been all over Israel...spent a few years there.
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Re: sugar and artifical stuff! new
      #53590 - 03/23/04 08:33 PM
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hey cara
guess what, I have more to say! hahahahha
Listen, as far as the artifical flavourings etc go (rice cakes etc).
I am a big believer (and feel free to disagree with me!), and from personal experience also, that the chemical additives that are put into food aggravate an irritable bowel. I don't eat them. If I want rice cakes with flavour, I buy plain brown rice rice cakes and put sugarless wholefruit (st dalfour is the brand) jam on them. Voila, yummy, nutritious and pure.
When I first cleaned up my diet for ibs (and I'd been on wheat free, this free, that free, for years before it...nothing worked), I decided to widen the quest of the diet. I was going to go back to basics and eat PURE.
Even if a book told me I could have pot noodles with ten thousand artificial ingredients in it, I said no.
I decided it was time to treat my body like a temple, a piece of gold. It was obviously suffering. I had spent years being annoyed with it for being such a nuisance, why not give myself a hug and start with eating only things that were as natural as possible.
My shopping cart consisted of lots of fruits and vegies, rice, bread, you know...basics. Nothing processed.
I taught myself to cook (scary and intimidating...but fun too!!).
And my self esteem rose with my ibs disappearing.
I am convinced that ibs is a disease of the western world. It does not exist in developing countries where they still eat pure, and high fibre diets.
And you know what? now I see my ibs as a blessing (most of the time). Yes, I am considered a health freak by my junk food family, but I don't care. My body was sensitive enough to alert me to all the junk I had grown up on (soooo much), and forced me to eat sooo healthily. Unlike the rest of my family, who although they have chronic ailments, none as life stopping as ibs, so they continue down the junk food path.
So incase I have blabbered you to boredom, the crux of it is. I know you feel totally swallowed up and blown to pieces by what is going on right now. But you have two choices, hate it and get depressed, or see it as a wonderful opportunity to get to know yourself better, be better to yourself then you have ever been, and to learn to cook really healthy food for yourself and your loved ones! I am already learning to bake healthy cookies for when I have children!!! yes yes I am insane.....
love, dalia XXXX

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Re: Wow! new
      #53609 - 03/23/04 10:18 PM
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Ok, I don't mean to sound dumb here, but is sugar considered to be a processed food? I totally agree with Dalia about trying to keep out the processed stuff and get back to the basics (and wish I was better at it) but I would have thought that plain sugar would be ok? I just try and avoid overly processed stuff or stuff with a lot of chemicals, but I'll put sugar or honey in my tea. Could this be causing additional problems? Is it better to cut out the sugar as well? It just seems with all the other things we avoid (fat, dairy, red meat, caffeine) cutting out sugar too would be pretty hard!
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      #53632 - 03/24/04 05:44 AM
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Re: Splenda new
      #53645 - 03/24/04 06:29 AM
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Hang in there with the chocolate cravings! I am personally going through the same thing right now. My period came, and OH MY! I WANT CHOCOLATE!

I have not had any so far. I made a sugar-free, gluten-free, chocolate-free, peanut free (darn diet!) batch of cookie bars, using carob as a replacement. It's certainly not the same but I close my eyes and say to myself "No stomach ache, no stomach ache!" and it did the trick.

But I sure would love some Godiva dark stuff!

Be strong! Hang in there!

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Re: Does anyone else get these symptoms? new
      #53807 - 03/24/04 10:13 AM
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Cara, GORGEOUS pic!

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      #53808 - 03/24/04 10:14 AM
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Re: Wow! new
      #53811 - 03/24/04 10:17 AM
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no, sugar is not per se a processed food, and it is not an IBS trigger. However it IS "empty calories" and can contribute to weight gain, so some of us limit our intake for that reason, not for IBS reasons.

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      #53828 - 03/24/04 10:50 AM
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Cara, I live in Lincoln Park downtown. I am from the south, so Chicago is a defintely change for me, but I like it. I work downtown and never get in the car, and that is so nice. Once I moved to Chicago and stopped driving my panic attacks diminished alot (that was also when we closed on our house, I began the new job, and just got married). But I really think that traffic can stress people out, and when other things add to that it can make you go crazy!

I wish you the best....the thing that is most important is taking time for YOU!!! Ask your husband to help you, my husband helps me. He thought it was weird at first, but now he understands that there is something inside of me that can take over and it is no longer me in control, but this weird force inside.

Good luck!

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Re: Wow! and sugar and ibs new
      #53937 - 03/24/04 03:29 PM
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hey there
sugar is indeed not exactly a processed food...if someone is asking me if they should drink a diet coke or a real coke I will always say real, because those sweeteners are terrible.
However, the whole problem with IBS is that although there are major foods that are triggers for everyone (red meat, dairy etc) when you get down to the fine lines, things start to differ from one individual to the next. And this is where experimentation comes into play.
Sugar IS a trigger for gas and constipation for me (I never get ibs d....its been ages...and in my nine years of ibs I have had it about 6 times!!).
And aside from that I believe that ibs is a problem which is often associated with other symptoms like low blood sugar, and other subtleties. So I try to keep my stomach digesting things that aren't going to give my blood sugar a huge hit, ie rice as opposed to chocolate. Its all to do with the glycaeminc index of food.
The final aspect is health. I try to take the best care of myself that I can. Sugar is an immune system suppresant and since I gave it up, the difference in how I feel energy wise is quite amazing!
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Re: Wow! and sugar and ibs new
      #53940 - 03/24/04 03:39 PM
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Well said, Dalia -- and I love your quote!

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Re: Hi, Cara. new
      #54627 - 03/26/04 10:39 AM
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What I do have, though, is "episodes." That's what my doctor calls them! He and I are friends and he had been having a hard time grasping what was going on with me 'til last July when we were at a party together. I know now that I was too tired, got too hot, and had eaten too many fatty foods (didn't know about that stuff at the time!), and I got really dizzy, very disoriented, very nauseous, very cold-sweaty. He made me lie down (everyone thought I was trashed, but I hadn't had a lick!) and checked my blood pressure, heart rate, etc... Within a half an hour I was running to the bathroom with D. I was sick for a week. Now I know that when I get that woozy, disoriented, nauseous, cold-sweaty feeling, I need to take my meds and get to bed, ASAP! (I also stay out of over-heated situations. That's a huge trigger for me. But that's neither here nor there, is it...?)




Ooh, ooh, me too! I used to have horrid nauseous swooning feelings on nearly every warmish day (and I've lived in the US Midwest for nearly all my life so this was not infrequent). And yeah, there was D too, although being mainly C, I sometimes saw this as a benefit. In grad school (when I lived in an un-airconditioned apartment), my summer "episodes" got bad enough that I was staying home and in bed for several days each summer month.

I ended up seeing several different docs at the school clinic, and one asked me right away whether I was restricting my salt intake. I said I was - ya know, trying to be healthy and all - and he said to stop it. Turns out that drinking more and more water was just making me feel sicker, when I really needed to get some salt in me.

Now, I go straight for the Gatorade when I start feeling woozy when it's warm, and try to get some salty stuff in my diet like pretzels and pickles. Don't know if it will work for anyone else, but it's been a miracle cure for me. Nothing like a medicinal bag of BBQ potato chips (baked, of course) to perk up your day!

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Cara! new
      #54670 - 03/26/04 11:32 AM
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Thank you! That sounds odd but somewhat logical. I'm going to try it. I will twist my own arm and tote around some (baked) chips!

If this helps me as much as it helped you, I owe you BIG TIME! (I hate my "episodes." I hate anything that makes me look like a Victorian-age woman who needs men to rush at her with smelling salts! "Oh, the vapors... I have the vapors!" ARGH. Puh-lease!)

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      #54677 - 03/26/04 11:39 AM
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You should def. get tested for celiac! Go to celiac.com for more info.

I am SO SORRY you are going through all of this! Please keep posting...we're here for you!

Feel better soon (how are you doing today?)

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BEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!! new
      #54680 - 03/26/04 11:43 AM
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I just discovered this thread.

I am STILL proud of you!!! For trying, for sticking wiht it as long as you did...and for being you! We ALL fall off the wagon and go back to our sugar habits...it's NORMAL! You'll get bakc on track...I know you will! but don't, DON'T hamg your head! NEVER! You're the best Bevrs in the land my friend! And we all love you very much! And you're gonna be our sugar free hero one day, you'll see!

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      #54710 - 03/26/04 12:03 PM
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Re: Cara! new
      #54769 - 03/26/04 01:06 PM
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How about, "Ah declahre, Ah'm jes a SLAVE ta ma di-GES-tion!" That's my favorite, said with my hand over my forehead while reclining gracefully on the divan, and trailing a long white dress and shawl.

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