Cinnamon
#369977 - 08/14/13 11:42 AM
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I try to support my sweet wife, who suffers with IBS, as much as possible and was recently told by a healthcare provider (gastroenterologist) that adding cinnamon capsules to her breakfast and supper would be helpful. Before acting on that suggestion, I need to know what you think because your other thoughts, acacia fiber and peppermint capsules have been so helpful. Can you give me advice about cinnamon? Is it good and is there a recommended amount to take?
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That's so cool to hear you are supportive as this illness is devasating and many feel so alome with it.
Cinnamon is actually a tree bark. In its best form it is actually really good for the gut and is anti-fungal and awesome. I sprinkle it on oats, have it in tea and smoothies etc...Unless you are allergic you can probably have a good teaspoon or two a day.
Everyone is different though so try a little at first and ensure your wife has been screened out for parasites, bacterial infection and also that she has a test for a sensitivity to FODMAPS as many other things can mimic IBS.
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Check here Spicy Foods and IBS
Cinnamon, like almost herbs and spices, is a digestive aid. Cinnamon is also helpful for diabetes.
I wouldn't put it at the top of the list for herbs/spices for IBS - peppermint, fennel, and ginger would be a better fit - but it can't hurt and might well help!
Best, Heather
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Re: Cinnamon
#369982 - 08/14/13 11:26 PM
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Sassie
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I have never heard of cinnamon capsules. If you are not sure maybe it will be also helpful if you'd make some receipes with cinnemon in it. Taking every morning bread with cinnamon in it for example. There are some in the receipe index on the board. If your wife feels like it helps a little you can decide to use it more often or go for the capsules?
Saskia
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Re: Cinnamon
#369984 - 08/15/13 04:17 AM
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Syl
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Since cinnamon is made from the bark of a tree it is almost 100% insoluble fiber. If the capsule contains 1 gram or more of cinnamon like these cinnamon capsules then use with caution. Insoluble fiber is a GI stimulant that can make IBS symptoms worse. Hopefully the GI doc didn't recommend the cinnamon capsules as a source of insoluble fiber
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Wow, thanks, Syl for this info....I add cinnamon to many things and sometimes when I eat alot I have problems...this could be why!
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and in such a small quantity in a capsule, and probably taken with a meal as well.
I wouldn't gnaw on a whole cinnamon stick, but once it's powdered into the standard spice I'd have no trouble using it. Same with nutmeg, cloves, allspice, etc. If I use them as whole spices to flavor something I remove before serving. But if they're just the powders I use with abandon in cooking.
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Re: Cinnamon
#370017 - 08/19/13 10:54 AM
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Syl
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Cinnamon is a problem for me in larger amounts too - 1 gram per serving would produce serious gas, bloating and pain. There is no clinical evidence to support the notion that finely pulverized cinnamon is not a problem for people with IBS. Pulverizing doesn't change the nature of the insoluble it just makes it finer. When it is finer it can be more rapidly fermented in the colon producing gas and bloating quicker.
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it makes a huge difference for me if insoluble fiber is pulverized. I can eat much, much more of it than if it's intact. Gnawing on a whole cinnamon stick wouldn't be so great for me, but adding ground cinnamon as a spice when cooking is actively helpful.
I don't think insoluble fiber ferments, so that shouldn't be an issue for people concerned about that. It's the rapidly fermenting soluble fibers like inulin and FOS that really can cause problems.
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H
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Nutritional Intervention for IBS from UNC Center for Functional GI and Motility Disorders says
"However, since IBS is also associated with visceral hypersensitivity, luminal distension -- as might be caused by the bacterial fermentation of insoluble fiber derived from plant foods that are poorly digested by human enzymes."
Dr. Spiller, well-known GI doctor, reported in Pharnacology of Dietary Fiber in section 2.2 Insoluble fiber subsection 2.2.1 on Cellulose - a major component of insoluble fiber - he says
"This [cellulose] is a major structural component of plants, made of long, unbranched glucose polymers, insoluble in water but capable of binding some water, though less than pectin and guar. It passes largely unaltered through the upper gut, with 85% being excreted in ileostomy output, but is then variably fermented by colonic cellulases, with from 20 to 80% being excreted in normal subjects stool (Holloway et al., 1978; Van Dokkum et al., 1983)".
There are many references to the fermentation of insoluble fiber in the GI literature. In my case insoluble fiber quickly ferments but probably not as quickly as inulin and FOS which are short chained carbohydrates.
I can handle very small amount of powdered cinnamon for flavor but I prefer to use stick cinnamon and then remove it before eating. Large amounts of spices and herbs that is, in the order of 1 to 2 grams, is problematic for me even if they are ground fine.
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I remember you've had trouble with lots of herbs and spices, and even herbal teas that usually help folks a lot. I'm so sorry Syl - that is frustrating.
Interesting about the fiber - so many other sources say insoluble fiber ferments a little bit or not at all. Seems like fiber in general is something that science does not have worked out well, as they keep changing definitions, interpretations, etc. They can't even come up with good numbers for how much people should eat, and don't get me started on food labeling for fiber - that's lagging years behind the science/research aspect at this point.
Ah well - at least there is always some basic common sense to fall back on when the research studies either don't match, or don't match up to what actual personal experience with your own body tells you!
Best, H
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where you tie a bundle of whole herbs/spices in a little cheesecloth bundle and use it to season liquids (sauces, soups, etc.)
That would let you use a whole cinnamon stick, or cloves, nutmeg, or the traditional bouquet of herbs (thyme, rosemary, oregano, etc.) for the savory recipes.
You'd at least get great flavor -
- H
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Thank you - I use that technique from time to time with good success.
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I've only used one a few times (who has cheesecloth just hanging around the kitchen?! I had to get some from my grandmother) but I felt very Julia Child with my little wrapped bundle. It actually worked pretty well though.
- H
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It does ...
#370025 - 08/19/13 01:55 PM
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Syl
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and fortunately I always have some cheesecloth handy
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Hey, if you're gonna do it, do it right!
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