Irritable Bowel Syndrome Message Boards | Is papaya and quinoa FODMAP safe?

Really sorry about all your trouble. I can sympathise cos I experienced all this and only thing that helped for me to eat a really limited diet.

I base my diet on science and despite what Heather says quinoa is not an SF heavy source and lentils are also v high in IF. She is also not sensitive to FODMAPs, which makes her incredibly fortunate, but she is the exception rather than the rule. V few people have trouble with digestive stimulants yet are fine when it comes to FODMAPs. Some of the recipes would see me doubled up in pain as well as they are extremely high in fat and for me fat causes a lot of pain, so I have to limit fat PER MEAL, not per day. I have IBS-D not C so maybe it's different for you, although I thought the solution was the same - more SF than IF and both lentils and quinoa are much higher in IF than SF.

Anyway, constant GI trouble will also make you anxious/stressed/ in pain/ frustrated etc.

Hypnosis can really help with stress in general, but for me it hasn't solved my IBS.

only thing I could possibly help you with as a last thing is my advice on the diet solution, read below. if you wanted to give it a try:

'The diet solution is twofold:

A. follow the four EFI rules:
1. no alcohol
2. no caffeine
3. less insoluble fibre (IF) than soluble fibre (SF) per meals (peel, deseed and cook until soft) (use a soluble fibre supplement)
4. limited fat per meals - one meal calories coming from fat:25% maximum. (1g fat has 9kcal, 1g carb has 4kcal, 1g protein has 4kcal)

-rough guide fibre content of foods (actual fibre proportions and content depends on variety and ripeness and there is no accounting for resistant starch (RS), which means that e.g. bananas and black beans both have more functional fibre than stated due to high RS contents, which act as SF):
http://huhs.harvard.edu/assets/File/OurServices/Service_Nutrition_Fiber.pdf
-fat content of oil - 1 tablespoonful of oil has 120kcal coming from fat!! (e.g. 100g raw chicken breast has 110kcal from other, 1 medium potato has 150kcal: so you can safely cook 200g of raw chicken breasts with that one tbpsoonful of oil and one boiled medium potato or 100g chicken breast and two medium potatoes with one tbsp of oil)

B. follow the FODMAP guidelines simultaneously:
http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml

Safest foods to eat would be (eat them for a week or two at least): porridge (cooked in water), boiled/baked potatoes (no skin), cooled white rice, grilled chicken breast, shrimp, white fish, boiled carrots, peeled baked peppers, peeled cooked courgette (ie zucchini), tomato paste, orange juice, no-pulp-berry juice and a bit of fat with each meal (salmon/olive oil to mention two of the healthiest options, but do count the kcals here, see above), one yellow banana daily.

Incredibly restricted I know but I think you are extremely unlikely to have trouble from these foods and once your gut has calmed down after a week or so, you may experiment with adding different foods back into your diet one by one to see whether you can tolerate them. A food you can't tolerate may bother you within a couple of hours up to three days.

Normal bowel movements are always easy to pass and they number maximum 3 bowel movements per day & minimum 3 bowel movements per week.

Spasmodic pain and bloating may never be completely eliminated, but will probably be greatly reduced through adherence to this diet. '

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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)

before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010

FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml

[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]

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