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Really sorry about all your trouble. I can sympathise cos I experienced all this and only thing that helped for me to eat a really limited diet.
I base my diet on science and despite what Heather says quinoa is not an SF heavy source and lentils are also v high in IF. She is also not sensitive to FODMAPs, which makes her incredibly fortunate, but she is the exception rather than the rule. V few people have trouble with digestive stimulants yet are fine when it comes to FODMAPs. Some of the recipes would see me doubled up in pain as well as they are extremely high in fat and for me fat causes a lot of pain, so I have to limit fat PER MEAL, not per day. I have IBS-D not C so maybe it's different for you, although I thought the solution was the same - more SF than IF and both lentils and quinoa are much higher in IF than SF.
Anyway, constant GI trouble will also make you anxious/stressed/ in pain/ frustrated etc.
Hypnosis can really help with stress in general, but for me it hasn't solved my IBS.
only thing I could possibly help you with as a last thing is my advice on the diet solution, read below. if you wanted to give it a try:
'The diet solution is twofold:
A. follow the four EFI rules:
1. no alcohol
2. no caffeine
3. less insoluble fibre (IF) than soluble fibre (SF) per meals (peel, deseed and cook until soft) (use a soluble fibre supplement)
4. limited fat per meals - one meal calories coming from fat:25% maximum. (1g fat has 9kcal, 1g carb has 4kcal, 1g protein has 4kcal)
-rough guide fibre content of foods (actual fibre proportions and content depends on variety and ripeness and there is no accounting for resistant starch (RS), which means that e.g. bananas and black beans both have more functional fibre than stated due to high RS contents, which act as SF):
http://huhs.harvard.edu/assets/File/OurServices/Service_Nutrition_Fiber.pdf
-fat content of oil - 1 tablespoonful of oil has 120kcal coming from fat!! (e.g. 100g raw chicken breast has 110kcal from other, 1 medium potato has 150kcal: so you can safely cook 200g of raw chicken breasts with that one tbpsoonful of oil and one boiled medium potato or 100g chicken breast and two medium potatoes with one tbsp of oil)
B. follow the FODMAP guidelines simultaneously:
http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
Safest foods to eat would be (eat them for a week or two at least): porridge (cooked in water), boiled/baked potatoes (no skin), cooled white rice, grilled chicken breast, shrimp, white fish, boiled carrots, peeled baked peppers, peeled cooked courgette (ie zucchini), tomato paste, orange juice, no-pulp-berry juice and a bit of fat with each meal (salmon/olive oil to mention two of the healthiest options, but do count the kcals here, see above), one yellow banana daily.
Incredibly restricted I know but I think you are extremely unlikely to have trouble from these foods and once your gut has calmed down after a week or so, you may experiment with adding different foods back into your diet one by one to see whether you can tolerate them. A food you can't tolerate may bother you within a couple of hours up to three days.
Normal bowel movements are always easy to pass and they number maximum 3 bowel movements per day & minimum 3 bowel movements per week.
Spasmodic pain and bloating may never be completely eliminated, but will probably be greatly reduced through adherence to this diet. '
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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feel free to ignore my post then, wish I hadn't typed all of it, should have read your kind other post first.
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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" She is also not sensitive to FODMAPs, which makes her incredibly fortunate, but she is the exception rather than the rule."
How do you know this? Years ago, this board was filled with people, many people, who have been helped by heather's diet. I have a cook book and 8 or so years worth of recipes from this board that you are now telling me are not safe, but yet, they used to be safe for the hundreds of people who used to post on this board. This board has become so sparse with posters now...It was so much easier when everyone was following Heather's diet and giving advise on Heather's diet. It is so confusing to have other diets mentioned and to be told "no, heather's diet doesn't work, follow this other diet". Then, the other diet is not even fully explained with comprehensive list of foods to avoid and what to eat.
That's all. I need hypno...hopefully that is my answer.
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Gosh, how come you don't remember what you yourself have posted/what threads you have started??
http://www.helpforibs.com/messageboards/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=diet&Number=368435&page=2&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post368416
And based on her posts/ her advice and her recipes, I have to conclude that Heather's IBS is no means as acute as mine and she luckily does not have FODMAP problems, but (Syl has the statistics here) the vast majority of IBS sufferers apparently do.
Listen, if you follow the EFI diet and you still have problems, then the EFI diet is not helpful enough for you. Doesn't mean the EFI diet is wrong for someone with less serious IBS. And maybe your IBS was less serious a couple of years ago. Maybe you never ate the foods then that you are trying to incorporate into your diet cos our preferences change.
The link in Syl's signature (or mine) for FODMAPs is fairly straighforward, but here I have posted the most basic diet that is the least likely to give you GI trouble:
http://www.helpforibs.com/messageboards/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=diet&Number=368470&page=1&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=
I believe it's not complicated and is v easily accessible. You are welcome to try it for 2 weeks and it may just work.
But hypnosis is also a good idea, it'll probably relax you if it helps nothing more, you sound v stressed. Good luck and hope you feel better soon.
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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between "less serious" and "more serious" IBS. What matters is what works for you - and what matters to other people is what works for them.
I have blacked out on several occasions from the severe agony and excruciating pain of an IBS attack. If I had not learned how to manage my IBS through diet - which took more than ten brutal years, starting when I was nine years old - I would still be in that kind of pain every single day. I have a hard time considering that "less acute" or "less serious" IBS than what others are dealing with.
You're welcome to post what helps you on this board, but please don't assume that what helps you but not others therefore makes their IBS less relevant, serious, or typical than yours.
I would never make that assumption, and I expect everyone else on this board to be at least that courteous in return.
- Heather
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Heather is the Administrator of the IBS Message Boards. She is the author of Eating for IBS and The First Year: IBS, and the CEO of Heather's Tummy Care. Join her IBS Newsletter. Meet Heather on Facebook!
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I am sorry to hear about those past episodes and I certainly didn't mean to belittle the severity of your IBS. I guess if there is someone that say can't eat two types of food otherwise they die, but they can eat everything else, that's still pretty serious, but I'd much rather have e.g. a nut allergy than IBS. And I really envy you for being able to eat in such a varied and healthy manner as is evident from your recipes and from your posts. I simply can't and I consider my IBS more serious merely on account of the extreme restrictions I have to take to avoid D and pain and even eating this way means I am still bloated. And I am seriously subsisting on v few fooditems and my diet couldn't be duller if I tried.
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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Re: Holy crap
#368490 - 11/10/12 11:43 AM
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That is a great idea! The efi plus food map board, that way if you need or want the additional info it's there, but you don't have it forced on you
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ibc a but c predominent doing hypnotherapy and taking it one day at a time
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I get really upset, confused, and stressed out by all this confusion. I absolutely believe that this is Heather's site and should be dedicated to Heather's diet and her guidelines.
thanks for giving your two cents. Priceless opinion. You should post more often. You're help would be much appreciated.
Can I ask what your symptoms were and what products you find most helpful?
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