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#358262 - 04/30/10 08:35 PM
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To help "audit" why my IBS-C is so bad, I am going to post my daily diet, starting today.
If I am not following the EFI, let me know.
I am most curious on feedback as to what I am doing wrong or what I could do to better help.
So far as I can tell, I have read Heather's book, and feel this is inline with EFI.
If this is in the wrong forum, let me know.
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Monday 4/26/2010
Middle of the Night Snack(7 AM)
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes (without HFCS)
Breakfast
-2 cups Natural Applesauce w/2 TSP Oat Bran
Lunch
-Sliced Deli Chicken (3 oz) sandwich on Rye Bread
-1.5 servings Pita Chips
-1 TBSP Hummus
Afternoon Snack 1
-2 servings Baked Ruffle Chips
-Can of Tuna
Afternoon Snack 2
-Cliff Builders Bar
-3 oz Honeydew Mellon
Dinner
-4.5 OZ Perdue Chicken Breast
-Uncle Ben's Instant Rice Packet
-1/2 cup Frozen Spinach
Evening Snack
-1.5 oz Perdue Chicken Breast
-6 oz Honeydew Mellon
Midnight Snack
-1/2 can Pink Salmon
-Soy Delicous Ice Cream Sandwich
Supplements
-3 TSP Benefiber
-2 Acidophillus
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Tuesday 4/27/2010
Breakfast
-2 cups Natural Applesauce w/2 tsp Oat Bran
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes (no HFCS)
Lunch
-Chicken deli sandwich (4 oz of meat) w/2 slices Rye Bread
-4 oz Honeydew mellon
Afternoon Snack
-Can of chicken
-1 serving Baked Ruffle Chips
Pre-workout
-Shake (1 cup Cranbury Juice+1 scoop Egg White Protein+1 scoop Jay Robb Yammit+1 tsp Glutamine+10 grams BCAA)
-1 serving Baked Ruffle Chips
Post-workout
-Shake (1 cup Cranbury Juice+1 scoop Egg White Protein+1 scoop Jay Robb Yammit+1 tsp Glutamine)
-1 serving Baked Ruffle Chips
Dinner
-8 oz shrimp
-Baked potatoe w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
-1/2 cup Frozen Spinach
Midnight Snack
-Can of Salmon
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes (no HFCS)
Supplements
-3 TSP Benefiber
-2 Acidophillus
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Wednesday 4/28/2010
Middle of the Night Snack(7 AM)
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes (no HFCS)
Breakfast
-2 cups Natural Applesauce w/2 tsp Oat Bran
-1/2 cup Frozen Strawberries in sugar
-10 grams BCAA
Lunch
-2 servings Trader Joe's Vegetable Barley Soup
-Chicken Sandwich with (4 oz) sliced deli meat and 2 slices Rye and lettuce
Afternoon Snack 1
-Can of Pink Salmon
-2 serving Pita Chips
-1 TBSP Hummus
Dinner
-4 oz Chicken Breast
-2 servings Baked Ruffle Chips
-.5 cup Frozen Spinach
Evening Snack
-2 oz Chicken Breast
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes (no HFCS)
Midnight Snack
-2 oz Sliced Deli Chicken Meat
-1 Cliff Builders Bar
-3 oz Honeydew Mellon
-1 Dinner Roll w/TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
Supplements
-3 TSP Benefiber
-2 Acidophillus
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Thursday 4/29/2010
Breakfast
-2 cups Natural Applesauce w/2 tsp Oat Bran
-1/2 cup Frozen Strawberries in sugar
-5 grams BCAA
Lunch
-Chicken Sandwich with (3 oz) sliced deli meat and 2 slices Rye and lettuce
-2 servings Pita Chips
Afternoon Snack 1
-Chicken Sandwich with (3 oz) sliced deli meat and 2 slices Rye and lettuce
-3 oz Honeydew Mellon
Pre-workout
-Shake (1 cup Cranbury Juice+1 scoop Egg White Protein+1 scoop Yammit+1 tsp Glutamine+10 grams BCAA)
-Dinner roll w/1 tbsp Smart Balance Light Butter
Post-workout
-Shake (1 cup Cranbury Juice+1 scoop Egg White Protein+1 scoop Yammit+1 tsp Glutamine)
-Dinner roll w/1 tbsp Smart Balance Light Butter
Dinner
-15 Ling Ling Chicken Potstickers
-.5 cup Frozen Spinach
Midnight Snack
-Can of Tuna
-1 Cliff Builders Bar
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Supplements
-3 TSP Benefiber
-2 Acidophillus
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I understand that you eat a lot of protein because of your body building, but that much meat without any fiber to offset it would constipate anyone! What about cutting back on the meat a bit, adding more SF (rice, sweet potato, whatever) and adding in some IF like green beans or something?
Also, does your egg white protein have any artificial sweeteners in it? I bought the Jay Robb one and figured out pretty quickly that whatever sweetener was in it (I don't remember which one) made my stomach hurt pretty bad...
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What about potaoes,carrots peas,rice,bread,beans,squash,mushrooms,bananas?
Where are all your veggies?
Can you not eat these?
Also I noticed just like Fen you eat alot more meat than most I think.
I can't eat honeydew melon or any melon for that matter,do you not have any problems with it?
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Have you ever plugged all your info into a site like www.sparkpeople.com that can tell you exactly how much fiber, fat, calories, etc...you are consuming? That seems like a heck of a lot of food PERIOD to be eating. I have a small breakfast, lunch and dinner with a small snack in the am and a small one in the afternoon. By small snack I mean like 3 oz of applesauce or a banana. Your "snacks" are more like meals...perhaps you are eating too much?
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IBS-A since 1986 (age 8)
Recently realized I could do
something about it!
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OK...my macros:
Monday
Cals: 2405 Fat:49 Carbs:355 Sugar:111 Fiber:21 Protein: 160
Tuesday
Cals: 2939 Fat:26 Carbs:457 Sugar:199 Fiber:23 Protein: 224
Wednesday
Cals: 2555 Fat:49 Carbs:368 Sugar:135 Fiber:25 Protein: 191
Thursday
Cals: 3296 Fat:43 Carbs:531 Sugar:223 Fiber:26 Protein: 208
Friday
Cals: 2604 Fat:48 Carbs:373 Sugar:99 Fiber:27 Protein: 189
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I understand that you eat a lot of protein because of your body building, but that much meat without any fiber to offset it would constipate anyone! What about cutting back on the meat a bit, adding more SF (rice, sweet potato, whatever) and adding in some IF like green beans or something?
Also, does your egg white protein have any artificial sweeteners in it? I bought the Jay Robb one and figured out pretty quickly that whatever sweetener was in it (I don't remember which one) made my stomach hurt pretty bad...
1) My diet calls for about 220 grams of protein per day, which I need to my size and bodybuilding.
2) My meals, I think are pretty small at 400-800 calories.
3) How much fiber do I need per day? As you can see I am getting usually in the 20s....what do you think I need...and how can I do it?
-I am confused, when we say Fiber, it measures Dietary Fiber (is that SF or IF?).
Basically is there any smoking gun?
Am I following the EFI diet and what can I do better?
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I'm not a nutritionist, but I do know that men are supposed to get the upper recommended limit of fiber (closer to 35 grams than 25 grams) because their caloric intake is higher than women. And like I said, if you eat a lot of meat, you will need to eat fiber to offset that. Meat has no fiber in it whatsoever(SF or IF) and will just sit in your colon without fiber to push it out.
We still can't tell you if parts of your diet is IBS safe or not because you haven't answered some of our questions. What are the ingredients in your supplements in your shakes? Do you know for a fact that you are ok with soy protein in your Builder's Bars? Some are not able to eat it.
And like a number of people have told you now, you need to add more IF to your diet in the form of fruits and veggies.
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Yea I agree too much protein and not enough fiber to move it through the intestines.. all that meat and on top of that a cliff protein bar..its giving me a stomachache just thinking about it! Another thing I find for me is that it is best not to eat late at night or in the middle of the night. It's hard to do I know.
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You meals are protein dense which reduces colon transit time increasing constipation.
Oats are a cereal grain and bran from cereal grains are known to exacerbate IBS symptoms. Oat bran is about 4-8% soluble fiber and 8-10% insoluble fiber. The IBS research shows that bran is not particularly effective for relieve IBS symptoms and may in fact worsen them. You might consider switching to fruits such as berries and semi-ripe banana.
In a previous posting I seem to recall you have problems with fruits with excess fructose. If this is correct then honeydew melon could be a problem because it is high in excess fructose.
Deli chicken may have additives/preservatives such as sodium nitrate which can exacerbate IBS symptoms. Have you checked the ingredients?
Cliff Builders Bar contain inulin a soluble fiber that is known to exacerbate IBS symptoms. (See Heather's warning )
What Pita Chips are you eating? Stacy's Pita Chips contain whole wheat flour and oat bran.
Ling Ling chicken potstickers contain cabbage and green onions. These sulfur-containing veggies can be problematic ingredients for many.
In a previous posting you asked about Pristiq (Prestiq). It side effects include constipation.
Has you doctor ruled functional constipation or done a transit time study?
By the way - bloating and distention occur with all IBS subtypes not just IBS-C.
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The FODMAP Approach to Managing IBS Symptoms
Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
FODMAP Chart & Cheatsheet
The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS
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I'm going to ask you a serious question and I hope it doesn't offend you. If giving up this body builder diet and STRICTLY adhering to the EFI diet would help you, would you consider giving up the body building and perhaps finding another pastime? Would you rather do something you love and feel awful all the time because of it, or find another hobby and feel better and be able to enjoy it?
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I'm not a nutritionist, but I do know that men are supposed to get the upper recommended limit of fiber (closer to 35 grams than 25 grams) because their caloric intake is higher than women. And like I said, if you eat a lot of meat, you will need to eat fiber to offset that. Meat has no fiber in it whatsoever(SF or IF) and will just sit in your colon without fiber to push it out.
We still can't tell you if parts of your diet is IBS safe or not because you haven't answered some of our questions. What are the ingredients in your supplements in your shakes? Do you know for a fact that you are ok with soy protein in your Builder's Bars? Some are not able to eat it.
And like a number of people have told you now, you need to add more IF to your diet in the form of fruits and veggies.
1) Shakes.
-I use Jay Robb Yammit http://www.jayrobb.com/cat_yammit_1_5lb.asp#Description
-I also use Egg White Protein Powder, which is just Egg White Powder and Stevia
-I also have Glutamine and OCean Spray Cranbury Juice all natural
2) CLiff Bar
-I JUST started it this last week, I think I am ok, gives me gas but only within that hour...I need it
3) IF
-What exactly is IF?
I mean if I have strawberries is sugar, is that IF?
-If I have canned carrots or green beans or frozen spinach, is that IF?
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Oats are a cereal grain and bran from cereal grains are known to exacerbate IBS symptoms. Oat bran is about 4-8% soluble fiber and 8-10% insoluble fiber. The IBS research shows that bran is not particularly effective for relieve IBS symptoms and may in fact worsen them. You might consider switching to fruits such as berries and semi-ripe banana.
Would Frozen Strawberries in sugar syrup be ok?
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Deli chicken may have additives/preservatives such as sodium nitrate which can exacerbate IBS symptoms. Have you checked the ingredients?
I use Boar's Head, which is supposed to be free of this.
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Cliff Builders Bar contain inulin a soluble fiber that is known to exacerbate IBS symptoms. (See Heather's warning )
So I can't have it?
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What Pita Chips are you eating? Stacy's Pita Chips contain whole wheat flour and oat bran.
No, NOT stacys!
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Has you doctor ruled functional constipation or done a transit time study?
Never even discussed, how would that help?
Thanks Syl...now what do you suggest.
1) I am following EFI?
2) Is my main problem not enough fiber, and not enough IF?
3) Is it possible for me to get the protein I need (220 grams) and follow EFI?
4) When we say IF, what counts?
-Canned Fruits and Veges? Frozen Fruits and Veges?
5) Protein Dense meal...how much fiber do I need to offset?
-Hence, can of tuna=how much fiber needed?
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Monday 4/26/2010
Middle of the Night Snack(7 AM)
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes (without HFCS)
Breakfast
-2 cups Natural Applesauce w/2 TSP Oat Bran
This almost certainly isn't enough food. You need to keep your colon full.
Lunch
-Sliced Deli Chicken (3 oz) sandwich on Rye Bread
-1.5 servings Pita Chips
-1 TBSP Hummus
Need more of an SF base. I don't see any really unless you're counting the pita chips.
Afternoon Snack 1
-2 servings Baked Ruffle Chips
-Can of Tuna
Need more of an SF base and there's no IF here at all.
Afternoon Snack 2
-Cliff Builders Bar
-3 oz Honeydew Mellon
No SF.
Dinner
-4.5 OZ Perdue Chicken Breast
-Uncle Ben's Instant Rice Packet
-1/2 cup Frozen Spinach
Check the ingredients on the rice packet. Many flavored rices have some form of MSG and are often high in fat. Spinach is among the toughest IFs to tolerate and 1/2 cup of cooked spinach is a *lot* of spinach.
Evening Snack
-1.5 oz Perdue Chicken Breast
-6 oz Honeydew Mellon
No SF. None, zip, zilch, nada.
Midnight Snack
-1/2 can Pink Salmon
-Soy Delicous Ice Cream Sandwich
The Soy Ice Cream probably has some SF but odds are you're consuming way too much fat between it and the salmon without enough SF to buffer it.
Supplements
-3 TSP Benefiber
-2 Acidophillus
3 teaspoons benefiber isn't even in the ballpark for what an IBS-C needs in terms of SFS.
You shouldn't be eating anything without a solid SF base: white rice, white bread, potatoes, sweet potatoes, anything on the SF list. You need to keep your gut full of SF. You need more SFS. You need more IF which you will be better able to tolerate if you get more SF and you need better IF: forget spinach, try a gentler IF veggie. Cook, chop, puree if necessary. Make vegetable soup and eat it with French bread. Make stew with lots of potatoes. Eat fish or chicken with plain white rice or plain pasta and a side of mixed veggies, some SF, some IF, well cooked.
The smoothies you mention in one of your other logs don't have any SF. Make with rice or almond milk, use bananas for SF, peeled peaches for SF with a little IF, and throw in some blueberries or cherries for IF.
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1) I thought the Rye Bread was a good SF base for lunch
2) What exactly counts as IF?
-Berries/Canned Fruit and Veges/Frozen Fruit and Veges?
3) Don't baked potatoe chips count as SF?
So basically....my diet problem is
1) Not enough SF and not enough IF?
2) Is it possible for me to meet my protein requirements (220) and do EFI?
3) Is my diet contributing to IBS constipation and bloating?
Geez...this is really hard....can we take my diet and do a sample of it "fixed"?
Wondering if I should one of the RDs Heather has recommended on the front page.
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Why don't you put your focus on following the EFI diet without exception and put the body building and high intake of protein on hold until you get get yourself stable?
You have been so upset at Heather and others who are stable on the boards, even to the point of accusing those of us who are stable of not really having IBS. After looking at your diet it is very clear that you are not following the EFI diet. How will you know if the diet will work if you don't committ yourself to eating safely so that you can become stable and feel better.
You should read all of the information that Heather has here regarding SF and IF and how to incorporate both into your diet. It seems you don't really know very much about how to eat safely for IBS which is surprising since you have been posting here for a long time.
Once you become stable you will be surprised at how much it will change your life and how much you will be able to do without feeling terrible. Once you are stable you can put IBS on the back burner and get on with life. You may even be able to get into bodybuilding again. I definitely agree with what others have said to you, why would you want to continue bodybuilding and obsessing over your bloated belly when it makes you miserable and you feel terrible?
Please consider changing your focus to your health and getting stable instead of how you look on the outside. I bet if you put as much effort into following the EFI diet that you put into body building you will be amazed at the results.
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I thought with this diet, I was following EFI.
There is no dairy, under 25% fat, no whole grains, avoidance of HFCS and alcohol, no red meat.
Seriosuly, I thought this WAS the EFI diet.
Would you help me create a better diet, I really thought I was on EFI.
I am very confused on if CANNED fruits/veges and frozen fruits/veges count as IF.
I wonder if I need to hire an RD...any of the ones Heather got listed.
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Edited by Naturapanic (05/02/10 07:41 PM)
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OK...well if I already go to all the trouble of dieting but am not following EFI, then can you help me create a good EFI diet that I can follow?
-I can't handle SOY too well (the CLiff Bar actually is not bad)
-I HATE to cook, am not that good at
-I need AS much protein and AS much food as I can safely handle since I do workout
With this in my mind, here is what I was thinking...PLEASE let me know if I have the right idea and PLEASE put in your edits where needbe
Sample Diet Day 1
Breakfast
-Smoothe (.5 cup Frozen Strawberries in Sugar+.5 cup Cranberry Juice+.5 cup Egg Beaters)
-Instant Grits w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
-15 grams EAA (Essential Amino Acids)
-2 Fish Oil Capsuls
-2 TSP Benefiber
snack
.5 cup Applesauce
1.5 servings Baked Pita Chips
.5 can Tuna
Lunch
4 oz Boars Head Chicken/Turkey
2 slices Rye Bread
1 Serving Baked Ruffle Chips
Snack
4 oz Boards Head Chicken/Turkey
2 slices Rye Bread
2 TSP Benefiber
10 grams EAA
Dinner
4 oz Chicken Breast
Potatoe/Sweet Potatoe
.5 cup Frozen Spinach
Snack
4 oz Chicken Breast
Dinner roll w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
1 cup Cereal
Please keep in mind, this is a DRAFT.
PLEASE help me make edits so I can have a practical template of the EFI diet that fits my needs to have short prep/grab on the go meals.
Thanks!
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Edited by Naturapanic (05/02/10 09:03 PM)
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Sample Diet Day 1
Breakfast
-Smoothe (.5 cup Frozen Strawberries in Sugar+.5 cup Cranberry Juice+.5 cup Egg Beaters)
**Why not use almond/soy/rice milk instead of cranberry juice, which is incredibly acidic? And why not add in a banana (or half) for some SF and some substance in this shake?**
-Instant Grits w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
**1 Tbsp Smart Balance has a LOT of fat - you probably don't need quite this much. Why not add some jam or pumpkin butter for flavor without the fat?**
-15 grams EAA (Essential Amino Acids)
-2 Fish Oil Capsuls
-2 TSP Benefiber
snack
.5 cup Applesauce
1.5 servings Baked Pita Chips
**You never answered what kind you are eating. Are you making these yourself? How much fat is in them?**
.5 can Tuna
Lunch
4 oz Boars Head Chicken/Turkey
2 slices Rye Bread
**I think rye bread is higher in IF than some other kinds of bread. Why not switch to sourdough bread and add some lettuce and tomato to your sandwich? And why not sneak a fruit in here rather than chips? Eat something like mango or a peeled apple?**
1 Serving Baked Ruffle Chips
Snack
4 oz Boards Head Chicken/Turkey
2 slices Rye Bread
**Ditto**
2 TSP Benefiber
10 grams EAA
Dinner
4 oz Chicken Breast
Potatoe/Sweet Potatoe
.5 cup Frozen Spinach
**Maybe try and switch this to zucchini or green beans rather than spinach, which is difficult to digest?**
Snack
4 oz Chicken Breast
Dinner roll w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
**1 Tbsp smart balance is a LOT. Why not put the chicken on the roll and add some veggies for IF and nutritional value?**
1 cup Cereal
I'm sure others will have some great suggestions too. It seems that you're consuming the bulk of your calories on meat and starches, neither of which will help your constipation. I get that you need protein and you definitely need a SF buffer. But you have so few fruits and veggies in a diet that has an average of 3000 calories a day - that's so unbalanced!! Again and again people have told you that you need to cut down on your portions of meat so you can increase your intake of both SF and IF. It seems that without doing this, you'll never help either your constipation or your bloating.
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Hey, just wondering what your workouts consist of? What exactly do you do and for how long? Just lift weights, or do you also do cardio/stretches? Do you do alot of ab work?
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Quote:
Sample Diet Day 1
Breakfast
-Smoothe (.5 cup Frozen Strawberries in Sugar+.5 cup Cranberry Juice+.5 cup Egg Beaters)
**Why not use almond/soy/rice milk instead of cranberry juice, which is incredibly acidic? And why not add in a banana (or half) for some SF and some substance in this shake?**
-Instant Grits w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
**1 Tbsp Smart Balance has a LOT of fat - you probably don't need quite this much. Why not add some jam or pumpkin butter for flavor without the fat?**
-15 grams EAA (Essential Amino Acids)
-2 Fish Oil Capsuls
-2 TSP Benefiber
So
1) It is ok to have Fish Oil Caps AND EAA?
2) It is ok to have the Egg Whites in a smoothe (which means they are raw)
3) I do fine with Cranberry Juice, no problems whatsoever.
-Soy milk makes be gassy and bloated.
-Almond milk, I can have in VERY small amounts, hence I thought Juice was better...is it?
4) Banana...you know those make me bloated...any other options?
snack
.5 cup Applesauce
1.5 servings Baked Pita Chips
**You never answered what kind you are eating. Are you making these yourself? How much fat is in them?**
.5 can Tuna
1)I get the kind from TraderJoe's, they have 3 grams of fat and are NOT whole grain. Safe?
Lunch
4 oz Boars Head Chicken/Turkey
2 slices Rye Bread
**I think rye bread is higher in IF than some other kinds of bread. Why not switch to sourdough bread and add some lettuce and tomato to your sandwich? And why not sneak a fruit in here rather than chips? Eat something like mango or a peeled apple?**
1 Serving Baked Ruffle Chips
1) So wait, a peeled, raw apple, is safe?
2) I thought Rye was better.
Snack
4 oz Boards Head Chicken/Turkey
2 slices Rye Bread
**Ditto**
2 TSP Benefiber
10 grams EAA
1) Again, a peeled, raw apple is safe?
2) What else in terms of good fruits?
3) EAA ok?
Dinner
4 oz Chicken Breast
Potatoe/Sweet Potatoe
.5 cup Frozen Spinach
**Maybe try and switch this to zucchini or green beans rather than spinach, which is difficult to digest?**
Snack
4 oz Chicken Breast
Dinner roll w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
**1 Tbsp smart balance is a LOT. Why not put the chicken on the roll and add some veggies for IF and nutritional value?**
1 cup Cereal
I'm sure others will have some great suggestions too. It seems that you're consuming the bulk of your calories on meat and starches, neither of which will help your constipation. I get that you need protein and you definitely need a SF buffer. But you have so few fruits and veggies in a diet that has an average of 3000 calories a day - that's so unbalanced!! Again and again people have told you that you need to cut down on your portions of meat so you can increase your intake of both SF and IF. It seems that without doing this, you'll never help either your constipation or your bloating.
Can you help me incorporate more fruits/veges/and IF?
This has been VERY hard for me to do, because it is more an "art" not black and white.
I agree...I have a lot of protein, and I want this bloating and constipation to stop.
Let's continue to work on the draft, because if I already avoid so much good food, I may as well do the REAL EFI diet.
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1) Should I avoid prune juice?
-I found one at the store today by Sunsweet
-It says it is 100% Prune Juice, no preservatives, no added sugar, or anything artifical....safe?
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The active ingredient in prune juice is the sugar alcohol called sorbitol. Sorbitol is sold as an osmotic laxative. Also, prune juice contains more fructose than glucose that is why it tastes so sweet. In this newsletter this is what Heather says about sorbitol
"Sorbitol (and other sweeteners ending in "ol") are sugar alcohols, chemically extracted from fruits and vegetables but very poorly absorbed by the gut. It's this malabsorption that results in the low calorie count of sugar alcohols, but also in the dramatic digestive upheavals they can cause. Sugar alcohols are so likely to cause gas, cramping, and bowel dsyfunction that foods containing these sweeteners are often labeled with a warning about their side effects, and cautions against eating a large amount. Personally, I would caution you against eating any amount of a sweetener that's virtually guaranteed to wreak havoc on your gut. "
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STABLE: ♂, IBS-D 50+ years - Science of IBS
The FODMAP Approach to Managing IBS Symptoms
Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
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The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS
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So even if Prune Juice does NOT say on the ingredients it has sorbitol, it does, and hence needs to avoided?
Funny....I was told by an MD and RD to have prune juice.
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I was told by an MD to eat Fiber One cereal every morning for breakfast - the bottom line is that unfortunately doctors are not all up to date on the current IBS research.
I've tried the Fiber One cereal, by the way. Ended up in tears every time.
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Oh my goodness! I am so sorry you were mis-informed. I was just saying the other day how lucky I felt when I was first diagnosed that my doctor happened to know about Heather's book and recommended it to me. If she hadn't...I don't know where I'd be. We need to keep spreading the word about eating properly...especially to our doctors. You might get a kick out of my blog at www.eatandbe.com in which I write about my daily eating and how it affects my IBS. I find it helpful to hear what works/doesn't work for fellow IBSers (by the way I am IBS-C w/ bloating). -- Kim Eat and Be
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Ya know, on May 5, 2005, almost five years ago to the day, Yoda told you how to figure out what to eat:
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Before posting a question for every single little food you want to know, ask yourself this first. Is it on the safe soluble fibre list? web page Then it's safe to eat. Is it on the trigger list? web page
Then it's not safe to eat. If it's on neither of those lists, you should treat it as insoluble fibre and should be eaten with care, and after soluble fibre.
That's all there is to it. You can ask all the questions you want but the rules for Heather's approach aren't going to change. Your meals without a speck of soluble fiber are still going to be meals without a speck of soluble fiber. Your meals without enough insoluble fiber are still going to be meals without enough insoluble fiber. And rye bread is not magically going to appear on the soluble fiber list which - after five years - you should have for crying out loud memorized - or at least printed out and taped to your refrigerator.
You've had all the information about Heather's approach for over five years. For a while one of the smartest people who ever posted here worked with you via email to help you. You don't do what you're told; you haven't gotten any relief from symptoms; your complaints about Heather's approach are exactly the same as they were five years ago; and you're back to flooding the Boards.
My only remaining suggestion is that you find a good nutritionist, take her Heather's books, and see if she'll work with you. But frankly I don't think you'll do what she tells you to do either so I believe it would be wiser for you to save your money and do what I suggested in a recent post: eat what you want, do what you want, and enjoy yourself.
One final word of philosophical advice: reality is, whether you like it or not. You can scream, yell, insult, complain, blame other people, and insist it's not fair, not fair, not fair. Reality doesn't change.
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" Before posting a question for every single little food you want to know, ask yourself this first. Is it on the safe soluble fibre list? Then it's safe to eat. Is it on the trigger list?
Then it's not safe to eat. If it's on neither of those lists, you should treat it as insoluble fibre and should be eaten with care, and after soluble fibre."
It is NOT that easy!
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Sorbitol occurs naturally in prunes, plums and a variety of other fruits thus there is no need to include this information on the label. Sorbitol is particularly high in prunes.
Did the MD and RD who recommended you use prune juice also recommend you increase your consumption of whole grains too to relieve constipation?
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love the website. Can I email you? I want to ask you a few things. Thanks. Like, do you take a soluble fiber supplement?
Also, you didn't list that much fruit, besides an occasional orange. Can you eat any other fruits on a daily basis? Would love to talk with you.
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Hey, I see you have your email in your profile! Great!
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Quote:
Ya know, on May 5, 2005, almost five years ago to the day, Yoda told you how to figure out what to eat:
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Before posting a question for every single little food you want to know, ask yourself this first. Is it on the safe soluble fibre list? web page Then it's safe to eat. Is it on the trigger list? web page
Then it's not safe to eat. If it's on neither of those lists, you should treat it as insoluble fibre and should be eaten with care, and after soluble fibre.
That's all there is to it. You can ask all the questions you want but the rules for Heather's approach aren't going to change. Your meals without a speck of soluble fiber are still going to be meals without a speck of soluble fiber. Your meals without enough insoluble fiber are still going to be meals without enough insoluble fiber. And rye bread is not magically going to appear on the soluble fiber list which - after five years - you should have for crying out loud memorized - or at least printed out and taped to your refrigerator.
You've had all the information about Heather's approach for over five years. For a while one of the smartest people who ever posted here worked with you via email to help you. You don't do what you're told; you haven't gotten any relief from symptoms; your complaints about Heather's approach are exactly the same as they were five years ago; and you're back to flooding the Boards.
My only remaining suggestion is that you find a good nutritionist, take her Heather's books, and see if she'll work with you. But frankly I don't think you'll do what she tells you to do either so I believe it would be wiser for you to save your money and do what I suggested in a recent post: eat what you want, do what you want, and enjoy yourself.
One final word of philosophical advice: reality is, whether you like it or not. You can scream, yell, insult, complain, blame other people, and insist it's not fair, not fair, not fair. Reality doesn't change.
Syl...I SAW an RD who told me to have Rye Bread.
Do you see why I am so confused?
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Would anybody here be willing to help me out?
If I post daily what I eat, can we critique and can I get suggestions?
I would see an RD, but THEY HAVE given me bad advice in the past.
I really want to be over IBS breakouts, so PLEASE...since I have not followed EFI (even though I thought I was) can I get some help?
Thanks.
Monday's Diet
Pre-Breakfast
-1.5 cups Store Breand Generic Coco Puffs
Breakfast
-Smoothe (.5 cup Frozen Strawberry in Syrup+.5 cup Cranberry Juice+.5 cup Egg Beater)
-Instant Grits w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
Lunch
-4 oz Boars Head Turkey on Rye w/lettuce and mustard
-1 serving canned carrots
Pre-workout
-Shake(1 cup Cranberry Juice+1 scoop Egg White Protein+1 scoop Yammit+1 TSP Glutamine+10 grams BCAA+.5 cup Frozen Strawberries)
-1 serving Pretzels
Post-workout
-Shake(1 cup Cranberry Juice+1 scoop Egg White Protein+1 scoop Yammit+1 TSP Glutamine+10 grams BCAA+.5 cup Frozen mixed Berries)
-1 serving Pretzels
Dinner
-4 small homemade crabcakes (12 oz crabmeat+bread crumbs (from hamburger roll)+1/4 cup Egg Beaters sauteed)
-Baked Potatoe w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
-.75 cup Frozen Spinach
Evening Snack
-9 oz Canned Salmon
-1 serving pretzels
-1 dinner roll
Midnight Snack
-Cliff Builders Bar
Notes
1) Macros:
Cals: 3396 Carbs: 572 Sugars:270 Fiber:37 Protein:185
Fat:36
2) Most of the day I felt like crap, very bloated and backed up, aside from after dinner
3) Today I feel awful, very backed up...again I THOUGHT I WAS FOLLOWING THE EFI DIET....I HAVE SF AND AVOID DAIRY REDMEAT AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I HAVE SEEN RD'S AND THEY HAVE CONTRADICTORY ADVICE.
EITHER HERE OR OFF THE BOARD CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TUTOR ME SO I CAN REALLY FOLLOW EFI?
I WANT THE ATTACKS TO END!!!!!!!!!!
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I still think you are eating too much food - maybe you are overburdening your system. If you are serious about trying to get better, why not take a break from the bodybuilding and get your digestive system back on track FIRST.
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How much food is too much?
How much should I eat?
I can't believe my diet isn't EFI.
I really need 1-1 help adjusting my food log, but every RD I go to stinks.
Can someone here help?
Consider I am a guy age 26 who does exericse, hence 2400 calories does not work.
I figure I need 400 carbs x Fiber....50 grams of fat...200 grams of protein.
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I agree with Belinda. If you really want to feel better and get control of your IBS you need to change your focus from body building to following the EFI diet.
If you have Heather's book I would suggest re-reading it to learn the concept of the EFI diet and why it works. Do this without thinking about body building and trying to get so much protein in your diet. If you don't have her book there is so much info on this site that you can use.
Many of us are telling you the same thing. Hopefully you will listen to the advice you are being given and concentrate on getting well before body building. You really have to look at your priorities and what is more important to you. If you are not ready to make a real change in your diet there is nothing any of us here can do for you.
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Quote:
I agree with Belinda. If you really want to feel better and get control of your IBS you need to change your focus from body building to following the EFI diet.
If you have Heather's book I would suggest re-reading it to learn the concept of the EFI diet and why it works. Do this without thinking about body building and trying to get so much protein in your diet. If you don't have her book there is so much info on this site that you can use.
Many of us are telling you the same thing. Hopefully you will listen to the advice you are being given and concentrate on getting well before body building. You really have to look at your priorities and what is more important to you. If you are not ready to make a real change in your diet there is nothing any of us here can do for you.
But I thought I DID make a real change in my diet.
I cut out redmeat/dairy/fatty foods....I did make a big sacrifice...this is what I do not understand why IBS is not getting better.
I already have read the book...it would be MUCH easier if I could have some assistance in creating a template.
Seriously....how am I not following EFI?
WHY I am so bloated and backed up?
I gave redmeat/beer/fatty foods/dairy?
I need 1-1 help if I still don't get it...I have DAILY IBS breakouts.
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Look, getting ourselves better is time-consuming enough - you are going to have to do some of this leg work on your own. People have given you suggestions right and left, but you don't seem to be willing to read the material and figure this stuff for yourself! I certainly don't have the authority or knowledge to tell you how many calories you should be eating. What I AM suggesting is laying off the intense exercise (not exercise altogether, we all need exercise) and eating a "normal" amount of food following the EFI guidelines and see if it helps.
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By posting his daily diet and asking these questions I think it can be very helpful to others. IBS is very confusing and I think he has legitimite questions. If you don't want to respond, then why do you.
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Allisonmary, is your post directed at me? I never said I didn't want to respond to his questions. I have been responding, although my posts seem to fall on deaf ears, as do the posts of others. What he's asking any of us to do is pretty difficult and beyond the scope of message board help.
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I've never seen an RD professionally, but I've talked to people who are active in the medical profession in one way or another or who are currently going to school to enter the medical profession. They all tell me things like:
Eat whole grains
Eat fresh fruits and veggies, the less cooked the better
Eat the skins of fruits/veggies, that is where the nutrients are
Stay away from "white" foods (white bread, white rice, regular pasta, etc)
Take your vitamins every day
And on and on.
Well, this stuff can't help me, because it is NOT MY REALITY. MY reality is that whole grains tear my gut up. Most fresh fruits and veggies, slightly cooked, tear my gut up. If I'm gonna eat fruits and veggies, it's most likely I'm cooking the life out of them. Forget eating the skins...again with the gut-tearing-up thing. Got a few I can eat, but not many. White rice is a staple for me, I can't live without it. (White bread and regular pasta I'm currently staying away from, because I'm trying to see if I have a wheat/gluten allergy) And don't even bring me vitamins...I can't take them. Gut. Tearing up. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. 
You see, THIS is MY reality. MY reality. Not the RD's reality, or the doctor's reality, or the nurse's reality. MINE. If they want to eat whole wheat veggie sandwiches and wash them down with a handful of vitamins and orange juice, then great. I can't. When they hear that I don't eat whole grains or that I love white rice, I can see them almost have heart attacks. But you wouldn't tell somebody with celiac disorder to have a whole wheat sandwich, would you? After all, it's "good" for you!
YOUR reality is definitely going to be different than the RD's reality, no matter who you talk to. My suggestion is to stop getting so many "professional" opinions and just try to find something that works for you within the EFI plan.
A wise person once said, "If what you're doing isn't working, change what you're doing." And, "If you're gonna do what you've always done then you're gonna get what you've always got." Now, I realize you've made a BIG change in giving up red meat and the other stuff you've given up. I love a steak too, but I haven't had one in over a year. But...you're gonna have to change more. If you eat something for a few days and you still feel bad, change what you're eating. Listen to the people here, they are giving you good advice.
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Bel....but I thought I WAS FOLLOWING the EFI guideline.
Do legwork?
I've DONE legwork.
Look at my diet...no dairy/redmeat/low fat/no HFCS...so why am I constipated and bloated?
Tuesday's Diet
Pre-Breakfast
-1.5 cups Store Generic Frosted Flakes
Breakfast
-Smoothe (.5 cup Frozen Strawberry in Syrup+.5 cup Cranberry Juice+.5 cup Egg Beater)
-Crumpet (FF and DF) w/1 TBSP Smart Balance Light Butter
Lunch
-4 oz Boars Head Turkey on Rye w/lettuce and mustard
-Clemintine
Pre-workout
-9 oz canned salmon
-1.5 serving low fat Saltines
-1 cup applesauce
Post-workout
Dinner
-7.5 oz Baked Cod
-1.5 servings Yams
-.5 cup Frozen Spinach
Evening Snack
-1 99% FF Turkey Burger
-1 cup applesauce
-1 cup Store Brand Frosted Flakes
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1)Most of the day I felt like crap, very bloated and backed up, aside from after dinner
2) Today I feel awful, very backed up...again I THOUGHT I WAS FOLLOWING THE EFI DIET....I HAVE SF AND AVOID DAIRY REDMEAT AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHAT AM I DOING WRONG!????
Why I am fat, bloated, and C?
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Hi Naturapanic, do you have an email I can contact you at? If this really isn't working for you, maybe it can help to have a look at other options? I can send you a list of books that might be a helpful start.
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Heather's diet...avoiding dairy and redmeat...was SPOT on.
I no longer have D.
But I still have HORRIBLE bloating and C.
I'd like somebody to help me out in terms of pointing out if/how I am following EFI and what I can do.
I am so sick of being bloated and have worked so hard...it is INSUFFERABLE to the point I wish I had colon cancer instead....because I am trying so hard.
I really could use a mentor or two to help me better follow EFI.
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Heather's diet is not just about eating no red meat and dairy. My only advice to you has been and will be: give up the body builder diet/lifestyle for a little while and religiously follow the EFI diet. You have not (at least not according to your food journal entries) been following it as closely as you could have been. I also maintain that the sheer volume of food might be worth considering as a source of a lot of your problems.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I already have done a LOT of leg work for years, and am still missing it.
Would anybody here, off the board by email, or here, be willing to help me adjust me diet to properly follow EFI?
I would just assume hire an RD, but in my experience they really do not help much.
I could use the guidance of somebody who HAS had IBS-C and B, and has followed EFI to get stable.
I'm 26, and honestly, many days I wish I had cancer instead because I just can not stand it, and I feel helpless.
Little Minnie, would you be willing to help me fix my diet or anybody?
I don't know what I am doing wrong.
I don't know
1) How much fiber to have
2) What kinds of fruit to have--if canned fruits are still safe, nutrious, and insoluble.
2) How many calories to eat
-I try to wing it on my own, and the results stink
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One of the most consistent responses/suggestions that you have received is to GIVE UP THE BODY BUILDING and concentrate on getting better.
Yet you have never addressed that suggestion.
Seems to me that you want your body building body MORE than you want to improve your pain and IBS issues.
How many times can we tell you that YOU need to do the work at finding what works for YOU.
If what you are doing is not working then STOP doing that!!
Try something different.
You need to read the info and really digest it (no pun intended...lol).
And please do not say that you have....because clearly you have NOT.
Otherwise you would not be making comments like I don't eat dairy or red meat, and expecting miracles from that.
Or seriously believing that 2 TSP Benefiber is the answer.
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It has been mentioned to you several times that you do not eat enough IF. On Tuesday, the only IF you had was spinach. I'm sorry, but one portion of spinach is not enough to push out 3000+ calories worth of meat and starches. You need BALANCE!!!!! Reduce the meat, increase the IF. Otherwise there is literally NO way you will relieve your constipation.
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How....HOW do you I add IF.
Can you take my diet, and work with me to add in suggestions?
I try and add IF like frozen strawberries, clemintine, but not only does that not seem to work, it seems to make things worse.
I try and increase Benefiber, but it does not work.
OK...fine...I hear you
1) Stop eating so much
2) Add some more IF
but I still don't know
1) If canned fruits count and are good
2) How to add into my diet
Can somebody, is somebody, willing to work with my template and add suggestions?
I'm not getting it...deleting red meat is easy in that you just avoid...but total calories, getting IF, is an art I stuggle with.
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Wednesday's Diet
Pre-Breakfast
-1.5 cups Frosted Flakes
Breakfast
-2 TSP Oat bran w/1 cup applesauce
-Shake (.5 cup Cranberry Juice+.5 cup Egg Beaters+.5 cup Frozen berries+10 grams BCAA)
Lunch
-6 inch sweet onion teryaki sandwich on italian bread w/lettuce/tomatoe/pickle/sweet onion sauce (subway)
-Bag of Baked Lays Chips
-Subway Apple Pack
Snack
-6 inch sweet onion teryaki sandwich on italian bread w/lettuce/tomatoe/pickle/sweet onion sauce (subway)
Pre-Workout
-Shake (1 cup Cranberry Juice+1 scoop Egg Protein+1 scoop Jay Robb Yammit+1 TSP Glutamine+10 grams BCAA)
-Dinner roll w/SMBL
Post-Workout
-Shake (1 cup Cranberry Juice+1 scoop Egg Protein+1 scoop Jay Robb Yammit+1 TSP Glutamine+10 grams BCAA)
-Dinner roll w/SMBL
Dinner
-6.5 oz Bak
Midnight Snack
-Half can chicken
-Dinner Roll w/SMBL
-1 Cup Frosted Flakes
Cals: 3250 Fat: 35 Carbs: 522 Sugar: 230 Fiber:25 Protein:201
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And STILL you ignore the bodybuilding issue!!
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Glad to see you are ignoring everyone who is commenting on bodybuilding. It is great exercise good for IBS too. There is absolutely no reason that you cannot follow the EFI diet and do bodybuilding at the same time.
There appears to be lots of SF & IF fiber in the breakfast (applesauce, bran and berries) and lunch (bread, lettuce, pickle, sweet onion and apple). Although the oat bran as I mentioned before could be a problem. You could change this to a soluble fiber supplement. Not sure about Dinner because I don't know what Bak is However, it couldn't hurt to add more SF in the form of things like rice, pasta or sourdough bread at lunch and dinner. There is a list of food with soluble fiber in them here
Did you say in a previous posting that you have fruits with excess fructose give you problems?
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Syl...would you be willing to work with me off the boards to develope a more comptible EFI diet?
I woke up today and feel awful.
I feel SO bloated, and have NO bowel movements.
I do Oat Bran because it can at times help, and my old RD told me to do it.
Yes, I do struggle with bananas.
I really do not understand WHY I am so bloated and constipated today...I thought I got a lot of IF yesterday.
What is your email...I mean I really am struggling with the IF/SF after 5 years and need some help...the RDs haven't helped 
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I will set up a hotmail account and get back to you later today.
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syl_ibs@hotmail.com (note that it is syl_ibs @ hotmail.com)
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Thanks Syl...it has been sent.
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I do hope you find the help that you need. Maybe Syl can provide that for you.
The second thing that I hope is that you will stop wishing cancer upon yourself. Be careful what you wish for. You think IBS is painful, well cancer is something you don't want to deal with.
Good luck with the bodybuilding! I know how much I enjoyed it.
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The only reason I suggest giving up the body building is the sheer amount of food and protein he is consuming to support the activity. I definitely agree that exercise (including weight training) is beneficial to anyone and there is no reason he needs to give up the physical aspect. The caloric load, however, is what I think needs to be addressed.
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The normal calorie amount for a male his age is about 2500 calories per day. The additional 500 calories is not unreasonable for an individual doing 2-4 hours of heavy weights per day. The caloric load is probably not as important as the total protein intake since protein is digested slowly and tends to decrease GI motility.
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I don't think the extra 500 calories and/or increased protein ingestion is unreasonable for an individual doing 2-4 hours of heavy lifting per day. I do think it *might* be unreasonable for an individual doing 2-4 hours of heavy lifting per day and ALSO struggling with IBS related constipation and bloating, thus my suggestion to temporarily suspend the lifestyle and find out.
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I guess you and I differ on this issue. Any young person with IBS should feel free to persue their physical activity interests aggressively and without interuption while focusing on developing dietary, stress and other life style management techniques to minimise IBS symptoms. This approach has worked well for me a few decades - physical activity was never part of the problem - it was always part of the solution
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I totally appreciate that approach, and in an ideal situation, that may very well work. He's been complaining for weeks though that he wishes he had cancer and is not enjoying his life. If I were at the end of my rope as he appears to be, I just think I would entertain making some actual CHANGES in my lifestyle, not just complaining about it and wondering why I still feel awful when I haven't tried absolutely EVERYTHING I can think of to get to the root of the problem. Obviously exercise is important, but if the type of exercise/pastime you are doing is possibly making you sicker, wouldn't you explore life without it for a while?
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Obviously exercise is important, but if the type of exercise/pastime you are doing is possibly making you sicker, wouldn't you explore life without it for a while?
This is EXACTLY the point that I was trying to make.
The man sounds desperate to try anything to feel better but is consumed by the food element of things.
And we all know that food is not the only issue at play here.
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I am wondering though, Bel, if taking away a passion of his would not create more stress and thus more IBS related mental/emotional symptoms, which would then manifest in the body. Kind of like taking the "runner's high" away from a runner. What do you think?
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It doesn't seem like he's enjoying it at the moment anyway because he feels so ill, so I don't think so. Only he really knows the answer to that.
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I also think it is a waste of time to keep telling Naturpanic to stop with the bodybuilding and it is kind of bothering me to be honest. At a time when you are depressed and confused, are you going to stop doing what you love to do? How does this make anything better? You think it is making him feel good or that he will actually listen to you?
I run alot and when doctors/friends tell me to stop running so much and that would help, all it does is pisses me off and makes me feel worse. IT makes me feel like the one thing I can count on to make me feel better, is a waste of time- no one supports it- and is just makign me worse (which it is not). Its the only thing that keeps me going.
I have learned that I do need to change the way I was thinking about running- that I needed to do things a certain way (like a runner) and I needed to be this fast or go this far or eat this amount of food. Now I try to be easier with myself and I always just do what I can. If Im having a bad stomach day I go slower, if I can't eat as much protein as a runner eats, I don't and try to eat better the next day. Of course he can still bodybuild, maybe he can't eat exactly like he was told a bodybuilder should eat, but so what. He's willing to change the diet.
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You think it is making him feel good or that he will actually listen to you?
I think that if he comes to a message board specifically meant for discussing IBS and ASKS for opinions then I should expect that by offering suggestions, he might listen and consider what I have to say. It may not make him feel good, but it could help him, so I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Of course he can still bodybuild, maybe he can't eat exactly like he was told a bodybuilder should eat, but so what. He's willing to change the diet.
Again, I never said he shouldn't work out or even give up bodybuilding completely. I simply suggested that he change the way he does it to see if it could possibly help. Does he have to do it at such a competitive level? No, of course he doesn't HAVE to. He could tone it way down, eat a more "normal" diet and see what happens. He could also completely ignore this suggestion (as he has been thus far) and that's the beauty of a message board - it doesn't matter! It's his prerogative to accept or dismiss any advice offered.
I'm confused why it would bother you that someone would offer solicited advice that could possibly help someone else. I'm not offering it to you, so why the offense?
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good luck i know you will get some great info and help from syl! he seems to be very patient and understanding.
i know how u feel i am just as confused at times about how/what to eat. seems like some people don't understand that alot of us have a harder time knowing what to eat and why. Good luck with your body building!! i hope u will be feeling better and be able to really enjoy working out!
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can you tell me how u cook your zucinni (sp) and other veggies? i need some ideas for adding more IF to my diet and don't really know how to prepare veggies. I steam yellow squash but i believe that is SF. I look at all the produce and don't really know how to prepare it! I have ibs-d so IF scares me abit. Thanks!
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Well, I'm mostly C, so I really need the IF and am not as afraid of it, but lately I have been making EVERYTHING into sauces for pasta. I either roast or steam the veggies (some of my faves: carrots, roasted red peppers, asparagus, broccoli - not all together, though!) and then blend them with a little olive oil, chicken stock, spices or soy cheese (not all together, just use what I have) and then toss pasta in the sauce. Zucchini I usually make into Heather's zucchini bread recipe and I was going to try and make it into vegetable pancakes this week. Kim (eatandbe.com Kim) posted this recipe recently (I think it came from a segment on the Today show):
VEGETABLE PANCAKES
INGREDIENTS
• 1 carrot, washed and grated
• 2 medium potatoes, peeled and grated
• 1 small zucchini, washed and grated
• 1 garlic clove, peeled and minced
• 1/2 teaspoon fresh thyme
• 3 tablespoons olive oil
• Salt and freshly ground pepper
DIRECTIONS
Place the grated carrot, potatoes, and zucchini in the center of a large, clean kitchen towel. Wrap tightly and squeeze as much liquid as possible from the vegetables. Unroll and place the grated vegetables in a large bowl. Add the garlic, thyme and 1 tablespoon olive oil and mix well.
In a large, nonstick sauté pan, heat the remaining 2 tablespoons olive oil over medium-high heat. Add the vegetable mixture to the pan, pressing down so the pancake is about 1/2 inch thick and cook until golden brown, about eight minutes.
Carefully flip the pancake over — you can invert onto a plate first and slide back into the pan if you are nervous about the pancake falling apart — and continue cooking until the other side is crisp and golden and the vegetables are cooked, another eight to 10 minutes. Remove from the pan and keep warm. Season to taste.
It sounds really yummy. I'll probably cut the oil quite a bit or use cooking spray, though.
Carrots are big in our house because both my kids love them cooked. I usually boil them. Spinach I like to chop up finely and add to sauces or wilt/saute with some garlic. Cauliflower I steam and puree in the blender into a mashed potato consistency.
Hope that helps! I find that I tolerate all of these veggies pretty well, but I know some people don't do well with all of it (i.e., broccoli). Hope that helped!
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thank you! i will try the pasta with veggies that sounds good...the pancake receipe sounds good too. i also seem to have fructose intolerance so i have a hard time with any fruits as well. i used to eat raw veggies and fruits and loved them...ibs ruined that!!... anyway..thanks again!!
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Sorry Bel, I know you are just trying to help. Maybe he doesn't even care about it but Im taking it personally I guess because I was attacked abotu my running a few years ago and was told I needed to stop (and it wasn't in a nice way at all). They made me feel like a freak. I didn't listen really but every time I ran I felt like I was doing something wrong and that there was somethign wrong with me! I stopped enjoying myself and my IBS was worse then ever. I became almost obsessive about how I wanted to run more and then I felt guilty about it, just like with the IBS. I became extremely depressed. ONe of the reasons they told me to stop becuase I was very thin and couldnt eat maybe as much as I could- but guess what, I ended up runnign less but losing more weight because I was so depressed and anxious all the time. I guess reading your posts made me remember all that. I just didn't want him to feel the way I had when it was done to me. Sorry!
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