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vitamin with probiotics does it look safe
      #357205 - 04/01/10 10:13 AM
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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357206 - 04/01/10 10:49 AM
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It contains inulin and fructose. Probably not a good product for IBSers.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357207 - 04/01/10 10:51 AM
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syl what probiotics will help
i have had a sad day but am hanging on i have had doves farm cornflakes and blended strawberrys and blueberrys on top
tea cod and carrots and peas
a oragnge
thats what i have had so far

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357208 - 04/01/10 10:55 AM
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You really should ask Dr. Whorwell's team. His is one of the world's leading authorities on the use of probiotics for IBS and other GI disorders.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357211 - 04/01/10 11:10 AM
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syl all speak so highly of him and i ask but get no were he said align was one to have thats all i am so scared am sorry i see him in may nexted the hypno team pam is nice but i just feel am geting worse from it
am haveing colpermin before meals and kolintacol gel after syl whats happen to me why am i geting worse and omg am sorry in need to stop posting here you must all laugh at me

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357212 - 04/01/10 11:30 AM
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It's obvious to me that you have a long history here, and I'm unaware of what issues you may or may not be experiencing in addition to your IBS, but when I look at what you have been eating, I see no soluble fiber whatsoever (well, besides the corn flakes). My stomach would feel awful if I was eating only fruit and protein. An orange? Really? On an empty stomach? That would definitely do me in.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357213 - 04/01/10 11:34 AM
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Oh gosh - there is no reason to quit posting. I don't think anyone laughs at you. I know they get frustrated when you continue to eat things that you know are a problem for you.

Align is one of the best probiotics for IBS. However, you might go to Holland & Barrett or another health food store and ask if they have a probiotic that contains Bifidobacterium infantis (the probiotic in align) or a variety of Bifidobacterium bacteria. Be careful of the other ingredients it might contain.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357214 - 04/01/10 11:51 AM
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www.lifeplan.co.uk
do any of them look ok

www.questvitamins.co.uk

please am not good at knowing what to pick

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357216 - 04/01/10 12:13 PM
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I don't see any particularly good probiotics on that web site. I don't know of a good vitamin supplement. Most of the ones I have tried give me problems.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357217 - 04/01/10 12:40 PM
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ok thank you but they were probiotics i will find one or get align

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357218 - 04/01/10 12:58 PM
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Get Align if you can.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357219 - 04/01/10 01:04 PM
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i will i will order it and get it some how from some were thank you syl you no i have to stay strong and tell my self i will do this i can do this i can get better like my tapes say

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357220 - 04/01/10 01:19 PM
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Julie, try Phillips Colon Health Probiotic. I tried Align and it was expensive and useless. Check with your doc and try the Phillips. Good stuff, so far.

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      #357221 - 04/01/10 02:06 PM
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You might be interested to know her doctor, Prof. Whorwell, did the original clinical trials on Bifidobacterium infantis now sold under the product name Align. The strange thing is this product is not available in the UK.

Reference
Whorwell, P. J., Altringer, L., Morel, J., Bond, Y., Charbonneau, D., O'Mahony, L., et al. (2006). Efficacy of an Encapsulated Probiotic Bifidobacterium infantis 35624 in Women with Irritable Bowel Syndrome. The American Journal of Gastroenterology, 101(7), 1581-1590

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357224 - 04/01/10 04:01 PM
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If Dr Whorrell told you to get Align..... then why don't you get Align??


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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357231 - 04/02/10 03:57 AM
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Hey Julie, Ive been taking multivites gummies for adults and they are really good for me. I usually can't take vitamins but these are fine for me. NO probiotics in them though. Have you tried acidophilis? I know there is no research that it helps IBS but it helps me.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357239 - 04/02/10 07:40 AM

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hello julie,I'm really fed up too,ibs keeps me from getting enough sleep,then have to go to work 5 days a week ppl ask what's wrong and I can't tell them. Its so severe and uncomfortable I know,I really hope this year will be a good one and both of us can see inprovement someday.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357248 - 04/02/10 10:55 AM
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i don't no if they will ship them over here to UK am so sorry am a pain and now you will be even mad more i have sodium picosulfate laxative but since taking it my hair gone dry and falling out am stopping taking it or going to have it once a week cos i can lose my hair
am bad again so makes no difference am always bad

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357273 - 04/03/10 10:05 AM
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hi all until i can get them shipped over and have the money to buy i bought solgar advance acidophilus to day i no there from usa and feed back will they help my constipation trapped gas

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357275 - 04/03/10 10:15 AM
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Acidophilus has not been shown to be helpful for IBS. It maybe helpful for general bowel health.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357276 - 04/03/10 10:22 AM
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i have wasted my money then syl do you think really look at them all for ages the guy in store said they would
i just mad sure they were free from all stuff omg i can do nil right are they going to make me worse

am bad to day i never took no laxatives last night at all i want of them i want be normal i cant even but right vitamins

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357277 - 04/03/10 10:30 AM
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They likely won't make things worse but they likely won't help much with IBS. I have never meet anyone in a health food store that knew much about IBS. They are probably not the right people to ask for advice about IBS.

It is unlikely than many of us with IBS will ever be normal again. The best we can do at the moment is learn to manage the symptoms using diet, exercise and other things like hypno. So don't feel alone. There are millions of IBSers in the world with the same problem Some day medicine might have better solutions for us.

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357280 - 04/03/10 10:49 AM
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shall i give them ago maybe am just not meant to get well i waited a year to get hypno and now am getting worse i hate feeling bloated i have gained weight too day i felt so bad i bought bran flakes to hurt my self i haven't eat them spear of the moment

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe SYL new
      #357281 - 04/03/10 11:01 AM

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y do u want to hurt yourself with bran? syl do u think the probiotic julie chose is a good one,julie who about philip's colon health,would u try that?



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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357282 - 04/03/10 11:02 AM
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Talk of hurting yourself is serious stuff. Do you have a psychiatrist, social worker or psychologist you can contact?

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Re: vitamin with probiotics does it look safe new
      #357283 - 04/03/10 11:13 AM
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i wont hurt my self syl i have done in the past i wont no more i ment i would eat bran to hurt my self make tummy worse
i feel al i do it all at stuff to help my tummy i have bought them now i guess i have to give it ago

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Syl, about acidophilis.. new
      #357307 - 04/04/10 04:19 AM
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Hi Syl, Now that I am pretty much stable and it is easier to see what helps and hurts my IBS, I have found acidophilis to help me. In school also, they always recommend to try acidophilis to anyone with any sort of digestive problem. I know you always said that there was no research about it but I looked it up and it does say it helps with digestion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactobacillus_acidophilus Why do you say it does not help with IBS, just wondering where you heard? It is good to get the intestinal bacteria back to normal isn't it. Maybe it doesn't have a direct effect on IBS but I think most of us have IBS for different reasons don't you think. MAybe sometimes its not due to the lack of bacteria but sometimes it is. Especially if you had an eating disorder, wouldn't it be good to try to get the bacteria back in to balance?

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I too found help with acidophilous.nt new
      #357308 - 04/04/10 05:33 AM
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Re: Syl, about acidophilis.. new
      #357312 - 04/04/10 06:18 AM
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Oh - Lactobacillus acidophilis is an excellent probiotic for generally bowel health. And it along with some other probiotics have some efficacy treating and preventing things like traveler's D.

However, if you check the American Gastroenterology's An Evidence-Based Systematic Review on the Management of Irritable Bowel Syndrome they say "In single organism studies, lactobacilli do not appear effective for patients with IBS; bifidobacteria and certain combinations of probiotics demonstrate some efficacy".

If you want to read a good review of the probiotic research and IBS have a look at Meta-analysis of probiotics for the treatment of irritable bowel syndrome or the World Gastroenterology Organisation Practice Guideline: Probiotics and Prebiotics . You might also checkout the video A Role for Probiotics in Treating IBS?. While L. acidophilis has been included in some multi-probiotic products such as VSL#3 by itself it has not yet been shown to be an effective tool for managing IBS symptoms.

It definitely cannot hurt to take acidophilis and it might help with general colon health. However, the clinical evidence to date suggests it is not a particularly effective probiotic like Align and some others for managing IBS symptoms.

I hope that helps.

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Me too Dragonfly!!-nt new
      #357314 - 04/04/10 06:49 AM
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Re: Me too Dragonfly!!-nt new
      #357336 - 04/04/10 11:14 AM
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thank you helped lots
am still bad today but never mind hay i have started to take them syl do you think i should give doves farm corn flakes and rice milk ago cos i feel the rice creal no good for me

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Re: Syl, about acidophilis.. new
      #357339 - 04/04/10 12:06 PM

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syl is digestive enzymes good idea with ibs?

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aperson i think they do help new
      #357346 - 04/04/10 12:30 PM
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the guy in health store said they did when i bought my probiotics

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Re: aperson i think they do help new
      #357355 - 04/04/10 02:02 PM

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Guess I will have to find out..I need someone to recommend gentle or most safe digestive enzymes..

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Re: aperson i think they do help new
      #357356 - 04/04/10 02:14 PM

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SYL is this goodhttp://www.enzymeessentials.com/HTML/plantadophilus.html
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http://www.enzymeessentials.com/HTML/digestzyme.html

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Re: Syl, about acidophilis.. new
      #357382 - 04/05/10 07:39 AM
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Ok thanks Syl, I read the study, its interesting.
I just find it hard to trust studies like that when IBS is such a broad term and so complicated and the causes and symptoms are so different in so many people. I would think anything that helps bowel and colon health would be good for IBS though, especially since IBS involves the whole body not just one specific part. Its like a headache kind of. HOw can you take a bunch of people with headaches and label them as having the same thing when headaches can be caused by so many different things; hormones, lack of sleep, dehydration, overwork, light sensitivities..on and on. Of course, these people would have to be treated differently to help with their headaches and I think doing research to find out what helps would become a little messy don't ya think? I think before they do studies like that they should break them in to groups based on probable causes and symptoms. But thats way complicated Im sure. Thanks for the article tho I enjoyed reading it:)

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      #357391 - 04/05/10 11:02 AM
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Hi Allisonmary

You said "I would think anything that helps bowel and colon health would be good for IBS though, especially since IBS involves the whole body not just one specific part."

Actually IBS involves a specific part of the body - the bowel - that is why it is called Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Its cause is believed to reside in the miscommunication between the brain in your head the brain in you gut - sometimes called a brain-gut dysfunction that may have a variety of origins. IBS may have secondary symptoms that effect other parts of the body or they may overlap with other disorders such as fibromyalgia but it definitely originates in the bowel. You might want to review the information on IBS on the International Foundation for Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders website.

There is some evidence to suggest that not all probiotics good for IBS and some might in fact exacerbate GI disorders. They use to think the colon contained 500 different types of bacteria, however, gene analysis has shown it contains more than 1500 different bacteria. Which of these 1500 bacteria is involved in IBS is difficult to say at the moment. To say anything that helps with colon health will help IBS is a problematic and a bit of naive assumption. It will take a considerable amount of research to determine which of this vast number of different bacteria play a role in IBS. It is difficult if not impossible to make generalizations of that kind without good evidence. There is good research evidence suggesting that acidophilus is not one of bacteria that plays a significant role in managing IBS. However, it could be that when it is combined with other probiotics like it is in VSL#3 that collectively it may have synergistic action with the other bacteria in the mixture but this hypothesis is unproven.

You say "I think doing research to find out what helps would become a little messy don't ya think?" Actually I think that the research protocols for IBS research have been pretty well established over the past few decades especially since the Rome criteria for diagnosis have been established.

You said "I think before they do studies like that they should break them in to groups based on probable causes and symptoms." Oh they do - what I directed you to was a meta-analysis of dozens of individual probiotic clinical trials for IBS. If you looked at the details of the individual studies you would find they are broken down by symptoms and a variety of other factors. Unfortunately, since no one knows the cause of IBS it is impossible to say what it is. In fact, part of the reason for doing IBS research is to identify causes and develop better management and diagnostic methods.


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      #357394 - 04/05/10 12:53 PM

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If I post links to some products would u give me your opinion if they are worth trying plz?

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      #357403 - 04/05/10 05:32 PM
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What I meant when I said that anything good for bowel health would be beneficial for IBS, I didn't mean those things that IBS people are sensitive to, I just meant things like acidophilis. I guess if acidophilis makes IBS worse for someone thats not a good thing, but I always hear such great things about it being good for digestion and if it doesnt hurt to take then it can only help IBS really in the long run by keeping the bowels healthier. Thats what I meant. I know that high fiber for ex may be good for bowel health but not good for IBS.
Also, when I said that IBS affects the whole body, I really believe that it affects more than the colon. May be the technical term IBS is just seen as a colon problem, but I dont think so. What about the stomach and pancreas, you don't think they can possibly play a role in some cases of ibs? I know it ultimately affects the intestines, but I know for me, alot of my IBS symtptoms involve my stomach. I assumed it was like this for everyone, no?

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      #357409 - 04/05/10 07:00 PM
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I have no stomach symptoms with my IBS.

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      #357410 - 04/05/10 07:45 PM
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I definitely have stomach symptoms with my IBS - mostly nausea.

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      #357414 - 04/06/10 06:07 AM
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Acidophilis may be good for general bowel health for everyone including IBSers but the research shows it likely will not be helpful for managing IBS symptoms. It sure cannot hurt to take it

IBS is consider a disorder of the bowel which includes the large and small intestine but definitely not the pancreas. It is thought to be a dysfunction within the intestines. IBSers may experience some secondary stomach issues such as nausea but it is not the primary site of IBS. IBS can co-occur with other functional GI disorders such as GERD and functional dyspepsia. I rarely experience stomach discomfort unless I have a severe IBS attach and then I experience some nausea.

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      #357417 - 04/06/10 07:23 AM
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where I live, the Phillips colon health is more expensive than the align. Where do you buy yours from?

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      #357423 - 04/06/10 09:47 AM
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Anyone have any experience with the prescription probiotic, Rezyst?

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      #357424 - 04/06/10 10:08 AM
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ReZyst only contains Lactobacillus acidophilus. It is sometimes used to treat traveler's D. It is not thought to be particularly helpful for IBS but it may be use for general bowel health.

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SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357425 - 04/06/10 10:15 AM

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I requested to have 3 days off work in a row if I get them I think I want to take magnesium citrate..I just want a fresh start on my ibs without all these triggers inside me and harldy going anymore...how fast does it work,I think I'll take directly after work on my last shift before my 3 days off.. is this a good idea and enough time to get things back on track? I mean no d at work and start to feel a little better

http://www.amazon.com/Rite-Aid-Magnesium-Solution-Laxative/dp/B0030HMS0K

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Re: SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357428 - 04/06/10 11:03 AM
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Since you are IBS-D it probably isn't a good idea to use a laxative. You can likely get good results simply by going back to the basics of the EFI diet and sticking to them. In particular reduce your insoluble foods and increase your soluble foods.

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      #357434 - 04/06/10 11:32 AM
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Align is probiotic you'd recommend over all others available out there? Any difference in choice if you have IBS-D or IBS-C?

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Re: SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357435 - 04/06/10 11:44 AM

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I just want to start clean I have used the citrate before it was just tons of trips and D but still I want a fresh start and I never get 3 days off in a row wats the worst that will happen?

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      #357436 - 04/06/10 11:49 AM
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There are a few probiotics that have been clinically tested for IBS. The two most talked about ones are Align and VSL#3. Align as I recall is suppose to be more effective. Both work with all types of IBS. Digestive Advantage is another probiotic that has had some small clinical trials that show it is somewhat effective.

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Remember too that IBS symptoms can affect other parts of the body... new
      #357437 - 04/06/10 11:49 AM
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severe pain from the intestinal spasms can cause nausea, cold sweats, vomiting, even loss of consciousness.

The body trunk is very dense with nerves, and pain in the gut from IBS can radiate down the legs or to the lower back in some people. Pressure and pain from bloating can radiate up into the shoulders for others.

Stress and fatigue from IBS symptoms can cause headaches.

People with IBS seem to be statistically more likely to have upper GI problems such as GERD or reflux.

So, even though IBS is a brain-gut dysfunction and the problem is happening in the bowel, IBS symptoms can end up affecting other body parts.

Bottom line is what helps you is what counts, and if you get help from something that doesn't seem to have any logical benefits for IBS, trust your body. If you feel better, then what you are doing works!

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Digestive Advantage probiotics have studies on IBS as well. -nt- new
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Re: Digestive Advantage probiotics have studies on IBS as well. -nt- new
      #357445 - 04/06/10 12:14 PM
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Re: SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357447 - 04/06/10 12:39 PM
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I would never choose to take a laxative. My body feels terrible after a day or two of D non-stop. It would be much easier on your system to do as Syl suggested and go back to the beginning of the EFI diet and eat very simple and safe foods.

What is your plan to start over after you clean yourself out?

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Re: Phililps new
      #357450 - 04/06/10 01:06 PM
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The local Target. Much, much cheaper than Align and a great product. Give it a whirl.

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      #357452 - 04/06/10 01:12 PM
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Heather. love the last two lines of your post. The bottom line is your body and how you feel using a certain product, not necessarily what's been proven to be effective.

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Re: SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357455 - 04/06/10 01:49 PM

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well I just want to start fresh with no triggers inside and then start eating right so the stools aren't pieces and tons of bathroom trips so I can start getting more out in one trip

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      #357457 - 04/06/10 02:54 PM
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and I suspect that many of the things people find helpful that don't have clinical studies supporting them simply haven't yet had studies conducted.

It's been interesting to watch this unfold over the years now. Pretty much everything that helped me twenty years ago had little or absolutely no research on it. But that has gradually changed, and now there are dietary studies, probiotic studies, peppermint studies, soluble fiber supplement studies, etc.

It's always great to get some clear affirmation that what you think is working for you has some rational explanation. But I think it's more important to do what works for you, period, even if there aren't any studies, or the studies so far don't support what you're doing, etc. Studies can and do change over the years.

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Re: SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357460 - 04/06/10 05:18 PM
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If you can get a handle on your choices of what you eat and really commit to following EFI diet faithfully I think you will see an improvement in your symptoms.

The way you are eating now is making you miserable, and you have nothing to loose by giving this diet a fair chance. You are going to have to find the will power to resist the foods that are making you feel sick. I think you also need to find something to take your mind off of IBS during the day. It is not helping to sit around and think about going to the bathroom all day. If you are home and end up having to go several times during the day try not to stress about it, just go when you have to go.

Wouldn't it be wonderful to take 3 days off to do something fun instead of taking a laxative to clean yourself out?


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Re: SYL magnesium citrate new
      #357461 - 04/06/10 05:21 PM

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ibs so bad all I want is to clean myself out on my days off then go righ on track to the diet...

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Re: aperson - yes they help!!! - dr bob marshall products!! new
      #357466 - 04/06/10 06:09 PM
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i use dr. bob marshall products - quantum - rx digest. this product took 95 percent of the pain away after just one dose. i have been on them for about a year now...no more pain with ibs...take one or two before each meal..and phillips colon health was also a noticeable improvement..align did nothing for me...just google dr bob marshall and you can find his digestive enzymes..

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Re: Phililps new
      #357468 - 04/06/10 06:15 PM
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I was reading about this on line. Do you think it is more for C than D?

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Re: Phililps new
      #357469 - 04/06/10 06:20 PM
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i have D but since they help digest foods it would probably help with either...they made a world of difference to me.

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Re: Phililps new
      #357470 - 04/06/10 07:08 PM
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I don't know Janey. I have both, so I guess it helps both. I do know that the bloat, gas, stomach distention are much, much improved. I have not had D or C since I started it. But, it may not be for everyone. I can only speak for myself.

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skh,is this it? SYL new
      #357472 - 04/06/10 10:07 PM

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http://quantumlightnutrition.com/quantum_digest.asp

syl look safe and worth a try in your opinion??

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      #357475 - 04/07/10 04:24 AM
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OK thanks,
If it helps with any of my symptoms though, that is all I really care about. Even if they are secondary to "IBS." If its bothering my digestion I consider it to be IBS. Its all related. I was just worried about saying that to Julie becuase I think she has a lot more that just "IBS" like most of us do. And I think that may be a good probiotic for her to take.
Just wondering why they think it is especiially good for travelers D ?

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Thanks to Gerikat and skh. I think I will give it a try -nt- new
      #357477 - 04/07/10 06:11 AM
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Re: To Allisonmary new
      #357478 - 04/07/10 06:32 AM
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She had a ED as well as IBS and some other physical ailments. The clinic she is with in the UK has expertise in GI and ED disorders. Her GI doc is a world authority on the use of diet, fiber, hypno and probiotics for managing GI disorders. She is in excellent hands.

Here is a detailed review of the clinical use of probiotics including Lactobacillus acidophilus for the prevention of traveler's D. It has a brief explanation of how they work - although it is a rather technical.

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      #357479 - 04/07/10 06:43 AM
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The product seems to contain relatively small amount of digestive enzymes. It is likely be of little benefit at least until you get your diet under control. Diet first and other supplements second except for SFS which is good all the time

Say who on this board is send you harassing emails? It is a shame to hear that members would do such a thing!

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Re: Phililps new
      #357480 - 04/07/10 06:55 AM
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I have 4 months of align left. I wish I hadn't wasted my money and when I am done with align, I will try Phillips! I really think it's time to give up on the align, even though it has studies backing it up. Thanks

How long did you have to take the phillips until you noticed an improvement? Thanks again. I have something new to try.

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Re: Remember too that IBS symptoms can affect other parts of the body... new
      #357481 - 04/07/10 06:57 AM
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Quote:

severe pain from the intestinal spasms can cause nausea, cold sweats, vomiting, even loss of consciousness


Oh my, I never realized it could cause these other symptoms. This explains my nausea!

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Re: skh,is this it? SYL new
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well I'm not sure their user name on the board I can forward u the emails? give me your adress? so there is a potential they may help alot? did those ones look gentle?

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Cyndy, I wish you luck with the Phillips. I am not the first person to have luck with this one. I started seeing results right away, with none of the bloating or gas associated with others.

I stayed on Align a good six months, and I saw no difference whatsoever, so I couldn't see continuing on with it.

I hope Phillips works for you!

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can it cause these problems too heather? new
      #357505 - 04/07/10 12:28 PM

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) Some patients develop symptoms of irritability of the other organs. Thus, they can develop irritable oesophagus, irritable rectum and irritable heart syndrome (theoretically even irritability of small bowel has been described).

Irritable e oesophagus leads to chest pain, burning and other symptoms of upper abdominal dyspepsia. The irritable rectum can lead to severe urgency of stool or unproductive call to the toilet which becomes a nuisance. Irritable heart patients develop symptoms of palpitations, dyspnoea and cardiac neurosis and often land up with a cardiologist.


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Re: Phililps new
      #357506 - 04/07/10 12:30 PM
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I have taken both Philips and Align, and neither one is the miracle I hoped it would be. Philips I took for about 4 months, and Align for a year. I'm now taking a Flora Smart probiotic, and I actually think it's doing more for me than either of the first two.

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No - IBS doesn't lead to or cause any other problems. -nt- new
      #357508 - 04/07/10 12:40 PM
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Re: Phililps new
      #357512 - 04/07/10 12:51 PM
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Everyone is different...that is the beauty of it all.

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Re: skh,is this it? SYL - yes aperson this is it... new
      #357537 - 04/07/10 07:57 PM
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they recommend 2 before each meal = 6 a day...i only take about 4 a day cause i don't eat 3 meals...if u have any stomach pain when eating they may help u too..give them a try..i wish i could afford even more of their products..

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Re: Phililps new
      #357552 - 04/08/10 06:25 AM
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No, that's the pain of it all! When someone posts something that helps, I get all motivated about it, but then get discouraged when someone writes in that it didn't do a thing for them. I wish everyone reacted the same to things....it would make this so much easier to figure out.

Anyhow, before I read this post I went out and bought some Phillips Colon Health, so I will try it starting today. Wish me luck!

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      #357556 - 04/08/10 07:05 AM
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Just wondering why Dr Whorwell is so recognized, does he help a lot of people with IBS? It seems odd though that Julie is being told to eat berries and milks?? Also, why does he put milk protein in the Align, is there a reason for that. Couldn't that cause problems in some? Does he have a different approach to IBS other than the diet we talk about here?

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      #357560 - 04/08/10 07:41 AM
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He is Director of the South Manchester Functional Bowel Service at the Wythenshawe Hospital. He was the first GI doctor to use hypnosis with IBS, the first to find that cereal bran exacerbates IBS and the first to do a large clinical tests on probiotics. You may find some of the video interviews with him from the video library at International Foundation for Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders website informative.

He does not make Align. It is made by Procter & Gamble in the US. He did the clinical trials on B. infantis which is the probiotic in Align before it was called and sold as Align. Procter & Gamble supplied the probiotic for the test. You will have to ask your question to Procter & Gamble However, many probiotics contains small amounts of diary protein even Digestive Advantage that was sugggested by Heather in this thread contains it.

His team didn't recommend diary or goats milk - I believe they recommended not using it and using rice milk, etc instead.

I believe his approach is very similar to the EFI diet with some additional modification such as removing foods with excess fructose.

Perhaps if you review the posting from the past 2 years it might bring things into perspective and fill some of the gaps in the information you seem to have missed.

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      #357583 - 04/08/10 12:31 PM

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are the probitocis in activia the same as align? is the probiotic in activia good for ibs if it was in a capsule?

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Re: Phililps new
      #357584 - 04/08/10 12:35 PM
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teehee, now just think,Cyndy, if we were all alike it would make for a very boring world.

But I do know what you mean.

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