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Egg Whites a trigger?
      #350309 - 09/25/09 04:57 PM
Kenny

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Once I figured out that egg yolks are a no-no for me, especially after having my gallbladder out, I have tried all forms of egg whites: fried (with just a little cooking spray, poached, microwaved...

I always end up getting sick. It could be that I'm just allergic to eggs now, period, but I thought that was kind of weird.

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Re: Egg Whites a trigger? new
      #350313 - 09/25/09 06:02 PM
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I would like an answer to that question too.

I have experimented with low cholesterol liquid eggs and 100% egg whites for two years. Alone in omelets and in things like salmon patties. Eventually I figured out I had problems with both yolks and whites.

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is it the sulfur in them? nt new
      #350333 - 09/26/09 07:02 PM
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Re: is it the sulfur in them? nt new
      #350342 - 09/27/09 06:07 AM
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Hmmm - I guess it could be. I have troubles with sulfurous veggies but I think it is their high IF content that is the problem for me. If it is the sulfur then so much for naturopathic remedies. Apparently sulfur is a homeopathic medicines for a range of gastro-intestinal disorders including irritable bowel syndrome.


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Re: is it the sulfur in them? nt new
      #350357 - 09/27/09 05:49 PM
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Yeah so much for homeopathic remedies.

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Re: Egg Whites a trigger? new
      #350368 - 09/28/09 08:12 AM
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I thought I had this same prolbem! But I do find with them in breads and cookies but still not fried. I can handle a little bit if there boiled but still not fried. Don't give upon them yet it took me forever to get use to eggs again. Hang in there!
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Re: Egg Whites a trigger? new
      #350370 - 09/28/09 08:47 AM
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Thanks everyone. It seems this board has predominantly females. Does IBS affect more women than men, or am I one of the few men that actually ASK for help? LOL.

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Re: Egg Whites a trigger? new
      #350372 - 09/28/09 09:12 AM
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Between ages 20 and 30 females predominate the IBS community by a ratio of about 2:1. The female predominance decreases with increasing age.

You are one of the few males that asks for help

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Does it make a difference if it's organic? new
      #350376 - 09/28/09 11:47 AM
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I've heard that from a handful of people. And my cousin has a violent allergic reaction (as in rushing to the emergency roon) to any chicken that is not organic. Organic chicken causes no problems for him.

Makes me think for some people they're reacting to an herbicide/pesticide/antibiotic/growth hormone or something else not naturally occurring in the food so only present in non-organic versions.

Or it's just that you're as weird as the rest of us.

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Little Minnie gave me a clue about sulfur -- thank you Little Minnie! new
      #350377 - 09/28/09 12:47 PM
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Good suggestion. Unfortunately organic eggs didn't make a difference either.

Little Minnie suggested sulfur as a potential trigger. I did some research and found some rather interesting findings pertaining to ulcerative colitis with potential implications for IBS.

Sulfur in the diet comes in two forms (1) elemental sulfur found in some foods from plants and (2) in two amino acids (methionine and cysteine). Amino acids are the building blocks for making proteins. Sulfur amino acids are found in egg white.

In 1998 an article was published in the Lancet (see reference below) that reported success managing ulcerative colitis in four patiences by reducing the intake of sulfur in either form. Patients were given the following instructions:

"Intake of fats, sugar, and complex carbohydrates was not curtailed. We advised patients to completely avoid eggs, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, mayonnaise, soya milk, mineral water, and sulphited drinks (wine and cordials) as well as nuts and cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts); to diminish intake of red meat and to use chicken, fish, and skimmed milk." These foods are high in elemental sulfur and sulfur containing amino acids.

All patients improved. One patient was able to quit steroids. Of the other three, all had microscopic improvement of inflammatory changes. The number of bowel motions per day for all four chronic patients diminished from an average of 6 to 1·5 per day and their stools were more formed.

Since this study was published a few larger studies have confirmed these findings as possible. The most recent was in 2004. In addition there is a rat model for ulcerative colitis. These rats get bowel uclers similar to those found ulcerative colitis in humans when feed sulfur containing fiber while non-sulfur containing fiber had no effect.

The rationale behind sulfur as a problem for ulcerative colitis and perhaps other GI disorders goes as follows. Reducing sulfur consumption reduces the amount of sulfur entering the colon making the production of bacterial sulfide lower. Sulfur amino acids essential are required for cytokine production. Pro-inflammatory cytokines are believed to play a role in inflamed bowels. A recently published study found an increases serum levels of several pro-inflammatory cytokines in IBS patients. Also, sulfur plays a role in the production of hydrogen sulfide gas in the lumen of the human colon. Increased production of hydrogen sulfide gas is known to be correlated with increased constipation.

This is really interesting and it could potentially put a new twist in IBS management

References
Roediger, W. (1998). Decreased sulphur aminoacid intake in ulcerative colitis. The Lancet, 351(9115), 1555

Jowett, S. L., Seal, C. J., Pearce, M. S., Phillips, E., Gregory, W., Barton, J. R., et al. (2004). Influence of dietary factors on the clinical course of ulcerative colitis: a prospective cohort study . Gut, 53(10), 1479-1484

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Re: Little Minnie gave me a clue about sulfur -- thank you Little Minnie! new
      #350380 - 09/28/09 01:44 PM
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Hmmm... How is this a "new twist on IBS management?" We already avoid whole milk, ice cream, mayonnaise, wine and cordials, nuts, cruciferous veggies, red meat, and most of what you list. This is nothing new.

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Re: Egg Whites a trigger? new
      #350383 - 09/28/09 02:15 PM

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when I make a bunch of egg white omelets and mix with a bunch of whole mushrooms(not from cans,that I cut up..I notice I don't feel good..and aren't mushrooms just SF?

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Re: Little Minnie gave me a clue about sulfur -- thank you Little Minnie! new
      #350384 - 09/28/09 02:25 PM
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Thanks for the info Syl - this is helpful for me as I've suspected for a while that sulfur bothers my gut.

I wonder if you or anybody else knows...

- Why is there only sulfur in whole milk products, and not skim milk?

- Why is there only sulfur in soy milk and not other soy products?

- Do all nuts contain the same amount of sulfur, or are there some that are more potent than others?

- Don't garlic and onions also contain sulfur, and therefore be avoided if one is staying away from sulfur rich foods?

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It is a new twist new
      #350386 - 09/28/09 02:52 PM
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The new twist is an understanding of the reasons certain foods are on an avoidance list. Note that soy and egg whites are considered safe on the EFI and well ground nuts with a soluble fiber are okay for some people. These foods are on the avoid list for individuals with ulcerative colitis who are reducing consumption of foods with elemental sulfur or high in sulfur based amino acids.

While the EFI diet and the low sulfur diet for ulcerative colitis have some things in common there are things that are different.

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Re: Little Minnie gave me a clue about sulfur -- thank you Little Minnie! new
      #350387 - 09/28/09 03:07 PM
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You have to be careful interpreting the quote about the diet in my posting.

Don't forget that these studies were done on individuals who have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis too. Fat and dairy products have been suspect foods that can exacerbate the disease. Many people find the EFI diet useful for managing uclerative colitis. So some of the items on the list are there for reasons other than their sulfur content.

Some of your questions cannot be answered for the reasons given about.

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Re: It is a new twist new
      #350390 - 09/28/09 04:53 PM
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Still don't get the "new twist". Sulfur is and has been a problem for many, IBS or Ulcerative Colitis, or just plain everyday folk without a chronic condition. There's nothing new there.

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Re: Little Minnie gave me a clue about sulfur -- thank you Little Minnie! new
      #350391 - 09/28/09 05:28 PM
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Your welcome. But it isn't me- sulfur is something we should avoid to some extent or other. I avoid sulfured dried fruits and have been suspicious about the sulfur in wine (I cannot drink wine but am fine with mead). Sulfur in onions and garlic, etc has been an issue for many. And eggs are regarded by non-IBSers as a gassy food at times, from the sulfur.
The amount of sulfur could be increased in produce from a farmer using sulfur to make the soil more acid (lime makes it more alkaline and sulfur more acid). Nothing is proven there I am sure, but I don't use sulfur in my field.

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Re: Little Minnie gave me a clue about sulfur -- thank you Little Minnie! new
      #350394 - 09/28/09 05:54 PM
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Generally you are speaking about elemental sulfur. Reducing the consumption of sulfur containing amino acids is more difficult. The majority of the sulfur we consume comes from the amino acids in proteins. Just like fructose there is little reliable information on the amino acid content of many foods to guide us.

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sulfur new
      #350478 - 09/30/09 06:40 PM
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So you mean the sulfur in treated dried fruit and so on is different from the sulfur in eggs, onions, garlic etc?

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Re: Does it make a difference if it's organic? new
      #350488 - 10/01/09 06:07 AM
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My husband used to be able to eat turkey too.Now he also has violent reactions to all turkey product.Even just a bite.
We spend a few nights in the hospital with him on IV.

Just this week we saw a bunch of wild turkeys and I wondered the same thing....if it was organic, would he be ok?

He's not sure he wants to find out.

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Re: sulfur new
      #350492 - 10/01/09 09:42 AM
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Perhaps I shouldn't have used the term elemental. It more accurate to speak of organic and inorganic sulfur compounds.

Sulfur is a non-metallic element found in a variety of compounds found in food. The principal sources of inorganic sulfur include sulfur dioxide, sulphate, sulphite, bisulphite and metabisulphite. They are are widely used as food additives where they function as preservatives, bleaching agents and antioxidants. Organic sulfur compounds are things such as amino acids that contain sulfur.

The sulfur used with dried fruit is usually comes from treating the fruit with sulfur dioxide gas. This is an inorganic sulfur compounds. The sulfur in proteins, brassica vegetables and volatile sulfurous oils in onions and garlic are organic compounds.

The amount of protein in the diet affects how much sulfur gets into the large bowel. The sulfur in brassica finds it way into the colon too but it easy to control sulfur from this source. It is more difficult to control the amount of sulfur in the diet from proteins because sulfur amino acids are commonly found in many proteins.


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Re: sulfur new
      #350500 - 10/01/09 01:19 PM
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So the sulfur in eggs would be worse than in vegetables because of the protein? or is it protein in the daily diet in general?

Do you think there would be more sulfur in veggies had they been grown in sulfured fields as I suggested? (kind of like the extra iron when cooking with iron pans)

Can we get a catalitic converter for our colon?

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Re: sulfur new
      #350509 - 10/01/09 02:41 PM
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The sulfur in eggs, veggies and proteins is the same sulfur. Our bodies need sulfur to build proteins and other important molecules. For example, sulfur plays an important role in maintaining the 3-D structure of proteins.

The question, I believe, the ulcerative colitis and IBD research is trying to address is how to limit the amount of sulfur that gets to the colon through the diet where it is a problem. It is a difficult question to answer.

It is possible that veggies grown in a sulfured field might absorb more sulfur than veggies grown under normal conditions. I suspect that the veggies won't absorb much more than they need. Most of it will likely stay on the surface and be washed away in preparation for eating.

If you invent a catalytic converter for the colon I bet you could sell a few dozen of them on the board

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