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Re: Oh my...... new
      #35380 - 01/05/04 01:21 PM
Kandee

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Shells,
As usual you are right about just almost everything in this post.....however, being a hypo now for some time I'd like to add this: About cruciferous vegetables......there are variables connected with each type of cruciferous vegetable. Not all are created equal when it comes to amount of hormones in them. Cabbage is the absolute worst, absolutely a no-no if raw. The hormones in one serving is the equivalent to a dose of thyroid hormone medication for HYPERTHYIROIDISM or overactive thyroids.....so pass on the Cole Slaw if one is a hypo!!
I DO agree with you however, that in small quantities, and highly overcooked they shouldn't be a real problem.
Surprisingly some fruits aren't supposed to be consumed by hypothyroids. Those are peaches and pears. And as to soy……………sorry but it is, if at all possible advised against….See web site below.

You're right about the symptoms for both under and overactive thyroids, however there are some overlapping similar symptoms that CAN affect both. There is a list a mile long of symptoms for both and some of those symptoms are on both lists. As to the constipation in under active thyroid disease, you're right........that is a common one, as is hair loss....both on your head and body, frequent infections, and lethargy in general. The list goes on and on.

Ruchie, Here are some great places to start…..For Thyroid Disease 101:
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/basics_starthere/a/thyroid101.htm It's where I did most of my homework once diagnosed.

So Ruchie, If it runs in your family have it checked yearly and KEEP a record of the results. Make sure they do a complete thyroid pan and not just a TSH. I've charted blood results now for years, and I have it checked every 3-6 months and keep my TSH level at the point where I know I feel best. If you want to do a self test to start with, do the Barnes-Basal Metabolism test.

I personally suspected thyroid problems, even though it didn't run in our family, and begged to be tested....the only indications I personally had was hair loss, and EXTREME depression. Being of menopause age at the time, I still didn't think it was that, and it wasn't. It took me a year to get my blood levels straightened out. I'm fine now…it's just more of a pain to remember to take the meds and get the blood tests on a regular basis..

Kandee




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Re: For parents of young children: Soy induced thyroid disease new
      #35397 - 01/05/04 04:02 PM
Kandee

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Not that I know of, but there have been studies relating a gluten free diet, like Celiac patients have to be on, as opposed to medication for ADHD children. Seems the diet works better than the medication, but then you have compliance issues. Try and tell a kid he can't have his hamburger bun, cookie, cinnamon roll.....like all the rest of the kids!!!

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Re: Hypo. and non-stop eating new
      #35399 - 01/05/04 04:32 PM
Kandee

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Ruchie, It would be impossible to tell what your problems are....and foolish for anyone of us here to even try. I'm no doctor, and even then, he/she will have to have the blood work results to determine whether you have a thyroid problem….

Should you be scared? No. Should you be worried? Why? It only makes your IBS flare up. You are mighty young for a thyroid problem to hit you just now, even with it running in your family, but nothing is impossible.

Should you get properly tested? Yes…..but please, let an M.D. do it and get a reliable lab. I'm ALL for alt. medicine but only if East meets West, and vise versa……………there's room for both and both have their place. I'd hate to have a holistic doc show up on the scene where I was in a serious auto accident, how about you? Likewise I'd hate to have to go only the holistic approach to treatment of my thyroid.

As to your over eating.....I think it's mostly your frustration with your health and new home, etc…..so you compensate by overeating. I'm afraid if you think that once you are diagnosed and possibly put on medication that then you'll become stick thin again----you're mistaken… Thyroid medication doesn't always correct an overeating problem or make the hunger cravings away. What is DOES do is make your metabolism more efficient, but not to the levels all think. For that to happen you'd have to exercise, exercise, exercise.

Let us know what you do and what you find out…………

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Don't forget Oat Milk by Pacific Foods new
      #35405 - 01/05/04 04:49 PM
Kandee

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It's in an aseptic package. Here is a link that shows what it looks like and the nutritional infomation.

http://www.truefoodsmarket.com/oatmilvan32o.html



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Re: Don't forget Oat Milk by Pacific Foods new
      #35434 - 01/05/04 07:05 PM
sugar

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Posts: 223
Loc: Calistoga, CA

Thank you for that! I went to a great store today
and I found all kinds of things. Now I need advice.
I got some Smuckers Natural Strawberry Syrup and some
Nesquik strawberry powder. Do you think these would be okay
to put in my smoothies with bananna? I can give the
ingredients if anyone needs them.

The guy at the store reccomended something called
DariFree. It's a powder and he said it tastes just
like milk. There is a lot of information on their website.
Vance's Foods, Inc.

Has anyone tried it?

I couldn't find Andersons non-fat pea soup. They had
a lot of natural pea soups there and I ended up buying
one called Amy's Organic Soups Low Fat Split Pea.
It's ingredients are: Filtered Water,Organic Onions,
organic green split peas, organic celery,carrotts,
sea salt, organic basil, organic garlic, and spices.
It sounds harmless to me and I'm going to give it a
try probably tonight with some nice organic fresh
sourdough bread.

Does the soup sound like it's okay?

I'm exhausted and having a hard time making much sense
but I was dying to ask these questions. I think I'll
go eat and rest now finally.

val......

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Re: Don't forget Oat Milk by Pacific Foods new
      #35442 - 01/05/04 09:32 PM
Kandee

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Hi Val, Yes, if you're willing, post the ingredients of the Smucker's syrup and Nesquik powder. Some of us may be able to tell if it is ok or not, but probably the best way is just to have a little of it yourself and see if you start feeling funny from it. For me, since I'm fructose sensitive (not all IBS folks are but quite a few) then anything that would say High Fructose Corn Syrup, or Fructose might cause a problem depending on how much of it is in the product. For me I stay away, completely, from anything that has HFCS but if it has a little fructose with the main sweetener being sugar (ingredients are listed in order of how much is in the product with the most being listed first) then it may not be a problem. Anyway, you did well and I think you may come up with a strawberry additive to go with your bananas in your smoothie.

Wow, Dairy Ease??? Never heard of it. I checked the web site (thanks for posting) and it looks very interesting. Again, the only problem for me might be the fructose but it's hard to say unless I tried it. (Would love to so just may have to order some.) It MAY not bother you at all and is likely worth a try. Gee, how nice it would be to have something that really, truely tasted like milk!!!! (Oh how I miss the stuff even though I didn't drink a lot of it.)

Your Amy's soups sounds wonderful and perfectly ok on all accounts. Having your good sourdough bread with it sounds great.
Don't think you'd ever find Anderson's split pea soup in a health food store but as far as I know it's in all the major grocery stores in CA. The reason I like it is the taste...............it's just so yummy good compared to any other out there. It's soooo thick I have to thin it with water before I eat it.

Glad you had a good productive day finding all those things that will keep your tummy from complaining.

Hope you enjoyed your dinner.............
Kandee

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I agree...moderation, whole foods, and common sense are key... new
      #35443 - 01/05/04 10:16 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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There is a big difference between having problems with a food as a result of a medical disorder, and then making the assumption that the food itself caused the disorder in the first place. That's not necessarily true in most cases. I do think that whole food soy products (tofu, soy milk, edamame) have a great tradition and history as healthy additions to people's diets. Whether you can then take the soybean and process out all but the isolate soy protein, and then megadose on that extracted protein in a power bar or shake, is another matter. I like Kandee's analogy to high fructose corn syrup - you start with a healthy whole food like corn and end up with something so highly processed it has zero health benefits and actual possible detriments.

Soy is also being genetically modified now, and mass-produced. I would not trust these soybeans, and unfortunately in the US genetically modified foods don't have to be labeled as such. The solution is to stick organic soy products, which by definition cannot include genetically modified soy beans. The good news here is that many, many brands of soy milk and tofu are organic.

Soy does have a wealth of studies that support it as a food that reduces heart disease and osteoporosis. It's estrogenic effect also seems to be very beneficial to men and women. It's not comparable to taking birth control pills - the hormonal effects of soy come from phytoestrogens. They lock onto estrogen receptors in the body and as a result circulating human estrogen is displaced and excreted from the body. The lower estrogen levels in the body that result have clear health benefits - later onset of menstruation, lower breast, prostate, and ovarian cancer rates among them. Natural phytoestrogens and their effects just are not directly comparable to the synthetic estrogen (and progesterone, another hormone entirely) that are in birth control pills.

I'd be reluctant to make any assumptions for adult health based on the effects of soy formula on children. As you've noted, ANY formula is inferior to breast milk and the health consequences of formula-feeding are as likely to be from the lack of breast milk as from the addition of the formula itself.

I'm not sure what to think about the quote that Japanese only average 2T of soy consumption a day. I just don't think that sounds right, and it doesn't jive with studies I've seen on the Japanese diet and health effects. I'm trying to find accurate info on this - a quick google search turned up a statistic that:

"In most Asian countries the consumption of (soy) isoflavones is estimated as 25 to 45 mg per day. Japan has the highest consumption level, estimated at up to 200 mg per day. In western countries typical consumption is less that 5 mg of isoflavones per day." A 100-gram serving of tofu supplies about 30 mg isoflavones. So, this would be a significant daily amount of soy in the diet.

I also found this: "A recent panel of world experts (see Reference 1) determined that the amount of soy nutrients needed to achieve all of the potential benefits of soy, including a reduced risk of certain cancers, was in the range 100 to 160 milligrams of soy isoflavones per day.

Isoflavones are one of the natural nutrients found in soy protein and are believed to help produce many of soy's benefits for menopausal symptoms, PMS symptoms, cholesterol reduction, breast tissues and prostate tissues. This level of isoflavone consumption equates to eating 3 to 6 daily servings of traditional soy protein foods like soy milk or tofu. This seems like a lot, but the traditional, countryside Japanese diet includes 3 to 6 servings of soy foods. The amount of 150-200 milligrams of soy isoflavones per day has been published in the prestigious Obstetrics & Gynecology journal. (Reference 2)

A recent study in China revealed that the average daily soy protein consumption was 100 grams per day! (Reference 3) The latest Taiwanese study shows that Taiwanese children consume close to 40 milligrams of isoflavones per day. A single cup of regular soy milk can provide 30 to 40 milligrams of soy isoflavones, so we know that the traditional Asian diet, with 3 to 6 servings of soy foods, easily contains 150-200 milligrams per day. A small number of scientists and health magazines are quoted as saying that the Asians consume only 40-50 milligrams per day. This is in reference to metropolitan areas like downtown Tokyo where the diet is being "Westernized" (i.e. fast food restaurants are moving in). Interestingly, cancer rates are on the rise in Asian metropolitan areas where soy consumption is declining.

In summary, based on the soy consumption data from Asian countries and the recent panel of experts' recommendations, you should consume 3 to 6 servings of traditional soy foods per day for maximum benefits.


References: 1. Appropriate Isoflavone Food Fortification Levels: Results of a Consensus Conference. J.J.B. Anderson, H. Adlercreutz, S. Barnes, M.R. Bennink, M.S. Kurzer, P. Murphy, K. Setchell, C.M. Weaver, and C.M. Hasler. Univ. of No. Carolina, Helsinki, Ala.-Birmingham, Michigan St., Minnesota, Iowa St., Cincinnati, Purdue and Illinois. Experimental Biology 2000, San Diego, CA April 15-18, 2000.

2. The effect of dietary soy supplementation on hot flushes. Albertazzi P, Pansini F, and Bonaccorsi G, et al. 1998. Obstetrics & Gynecology. Jan;91(1):6-11.

3. Usual dietary consumption of soy foods and its correlation with the excretion rate of isoflavonoids in overnight urine samples among Chinese women in Shanghai. Chen Z, Zheng W, Custer LJ, Dai Q, Shu XO, Jin F, Franke AA. University of South Carolina, Columbia 29203, USA. Nutr Cancer 1999;33(1):82-7."

If I had a thyroid disorder or a family susceptibility to developing one, I'd be reading everything I could about soy to make sure it's a food I want to keep eating - and it may not be. Otherwise, I'd feel the health benefits are pretty well-established for soy, but I'd want my soy foods to be organic and as close to the whole bean as possible instead of some protein isolate soy power bar. Whole foods are always better, often in ways scientists haven't even figured out - but nature already has.

- Heather


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Re: More about Soy safety new
      #35449 - 01/06/04 03:26 AM
Shellsbells

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Not that I'm trying to confuse any of you!, but here's an article that tries to deal with the arguments for and against soy....

http://groups.msn.com/ALTERNATIVEHEALTHandHEALING/takingthejoyoutofsoy.msnw

Once again, I think moderation is key UNLESS you already have a health reason for avoiding a certain food. If you're prone to migraines, arthritis, IBS, Thyroid trouble and lots of other conditions, certain foods are triggers and may exacerbate this and make you feel much worse.

As for babies, breast is always best, formula milks (whether based on cows milk, soy, or whatever) have all kinds of rubbish in them that's not necessarily right for babies. Soy formula milks tend to be LOADED with sugar for a start. Who knows what that level of all those ingredients does to the hormones and development of new born babies???

Shellsbells

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Re: For parents of young children: Soy induced thyroid disease new
      #35463 - 01/06/04 08:41 AM
BarbaraS

Reged: 02/12/03
Posts: 1939
Loc: Wisconsin

Thanks Kandee.

I haven't read anywhere about putting an ADHD child on a Celiac diet, but it makes sense. Austic children can respond well to a Celiac Diet.

I asked about soy milk, because I stopped nursing my 7 year around three months. He was a fussy baby and never nursed well and when I stopped he broke out in a rash with regular formula. I switched over to soy formula and the rash went away.

I'll do some research on my own and see if I can come up with info.

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Re: Alternative to soy milk... new
      #36175 - 01/09/04 08:14 AM
sugar

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Posts: 223
Loc: Calistoga, CA

I finally used the plain almond milk in a
smoothie. I tasted it first though on my
finger and it's yummie. Thank you so much
for telling me about this! I had no side
affects from it, but then I didn't us that
much either.

val.....

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