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Re: Sorry, Heather, I must dissent... new
      #30108 - 12/04/03 07:43 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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Hi Shanna - I know some folks are exceptions here, but they really are few and far between. Out of the thousands of people I've heard from (I'm guessing 9,000 - 10,000 at this point) maybe two or three of them have said they can tolerate a bit of lean red meat. The rest just cannot eat it, so I don't want anyone reading the board who's having problems to think they can keep red meat in their diet when they likely can't. At the very least people need to eliminate it from their diet first, get stable, and then try a small amount to see how they do with it. Even then, because red meat is indisputably linked to higher heart disease and colon cancer rates (among other diseases), it's really hard for me to say that anyone is better off with it than without it.

I also want the boards to be consistent along the basic Eating for IBS dietary guidelines, so new people aren't reading wildly different things from post to post, as that doesn't help folks make the basic diet changes they need. If you've spent time on any other IBS internet boards, and seen the total chaos and inconsistencies in posts about diet (it ain't pretty), you'll know what I mean. Everyone will eventually learn their own specific idiosyncrasies when it comes to diet, but they've got to take the same fundamental steps and make the big adjustments first (no triggers, high soluble fiber, careful but regular incorporation of insoluble fiber, low fat), before they'll be able to reach that point. I'm trying to keep the waters from being muddied here - there are many, many people who just read the boards but never post, so the more clear and consistent information they receive the better. I hope this is making sense...

You can get plenty of iron from skinless chicken breasts and seafood and be a lot safer for IBS. Oatmeal and leafy greens are also good sources, especially if you eat them with foods containing vitamin C to help with absorption.

I have trouble absorbing iron properly even when I eat enough of it - the funny thing is all the women in my family have this problem (and except for me, they all eat red meat). I asked my family doc about this once and she said she sees a lot of women who have this problem, though she didn't know why. I take an iron supplement (always with food) fairly regularly to keep this problem in check. I'd much rather see someone else with IBS who has this problem look to any source but red meat for a solution.

But I'm glad to hear you do okay with the occasional burger.

- H

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Fab idea - safe pancakes are so easy and yummy, new
      #30109 - 12/04/03 07:44 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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I don't know why restaurants don't make them that way!

- H

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Re: Fab idea - safe pancakes are so easy and yummy, new
      #30113 - 12/04/03 08:11 PM
Karin

Reged: 02/11/03
Posts: 483
Loc: Southern California

Gotta watch those restaurant pancakes, they are not safe at all. They sound so safe, and sometimes appear to be the safest choice on a limited menu, but they are deceiving!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes! new
      #30115 - 12/04/03 08:15 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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This drives me crazy. Restaurant pancakes are awful - they have butter, milk, whole eggs, and are fried on a greased griddle. It's so simple to just use egg whites, soy/rice milk, and fry in an nonstick skillet. The results are just as delicious and totally safe. I would LOVE to have an IBS restaurant to go to for breakfasts.

- H

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Restaurants new
      #30117 - 12/04/03 09:01 PM
Shanna

Reged: 11/15/03
Posts: 471
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA

I HATE eating out. The servers or cooks usually ignore my requests ("hold the oil and butter"). It would be sooooo nice to just relax and do no work -- and have no worry -- like "normal ppl" who are able to eat out with ease. Maybe one day I will find a "safe" place to eat...

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Good Point new
      #30118 - 12/04/03 09:06 PM
Shanna

Reged: 11/15/03
Posts: 471
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA

Rather than dispute what you are saying with medical or biological evidence... and have the good old vegetarian vs. meat eating or chicken vs. red meat debate... where no one wins... but both sides make valid points...

I will agree with you that most IBS ppl shouldn't eat eat red meat.

SOOOOOOOOOO no red meat you guys!

<grins>.

Hugs,
Shanna

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Re: Good Point new
      #30137 - 12/05/03 07:43 AM
belinda

Reged: 10/09/03
Posts: 474
Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Shanna:

I wonder if you have ever tried taking red meat out of your diet. Like you, I was convinced I could tolerate it. I had been eating red meat for 45 years, which is how long I believe I've had IBS. Certainly I knew I couldn't have fatty red meat, but I was convinced I was fine with lean red meat.

I didn't realize I shouldn't be having red meat until I discovered Heather's website last spring. My reaction to Heather's advice was that perhaps red meat was a problem for some IBS people -- but not for me! (I also had the same reaction to her advice not to eat dark poultry meat.)

However, out of curiousity to see what would happen, I gradually reduced the amount of red meat in my diet. (It was definitely a struggle to do so!)

I have now been red meat-free for about six weeks. And guess what! To my surprise, I feel so much better! I find I can't touch red meat at all now because I get D and pain when I try.

I now think that when I used to get IBS attacks and I attributed those attacks to other trigger foods, the red meat was, in fact, contributing to those attacks. I also think the reason I thought I could tolerate red meat is because I had gotten so used to feeling rotten most of the time that I wasn't even aware most of the time that I was feeling rotten! But now I'm acutely aware of how I feel because I feel so good these days (except for my acid reflux which I'm working to control)!

If you haven't already, please consider taking red meat out of your diet for awhile as an experiment. You might be as surprised as me at the results!

Best wishes,

Belinda

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Re: Yes! new
      #30138 - 12/05/03 07:50 AM
Kree

Reged: 10/08/03
Posts: 3748
Loc: Northern NY

Quote:

This drives me crazy. Restaurant pancakes are awful - they have butter, milk, whole eggs, and are fried on a greased griddle. It's so simple to just use egg whites, soy/rice milk, and fry in an nonstick skillet. The results are just as delicious and totally safe. I would LOVE to have an IBS restaurant to go to for breakfasts.

- H




I totally agree! Going out to breakfast is one of the things I miss most. It's great to be able to make my own pancakes at home, but sometimes I just want to go out and eat something other than toast!

I also miss going out for ice cream. Once again, I love Tofutti and Soy Delicious when I'm at home, but there's just something special about going to an ice cream stand on a hot Summer day.

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Re: Anemia new
      #30140 - 12/05/03 07:58 AM
Karin

Reged: 02/11/03
Posts: 483
Loc: Southern California

I also tend heavily towards being anemic and was worried about the diet, but I've been tested several times now and I'm right in the middle. This was to my surprise, I don't take vitamins (I should) and eat only chicken and fish for meat. I do though cook in old cast iron pans, I've heard the iron leaches out into the food making it iron rich. Maybe you could try that as it may be working for me.

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turkey bacon
      #30150 - 12/05/03 09:17 AM
Corinne

Reged: 05/19/03
Posts: 202
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Isn't turkey bacon too high in fat for IBS? What about chicken weiners?

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