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"Pills, Powders, And Potions"
      #268039 - 06/07/06 12:57 AM
AG1983

Reged: 06/05/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Portland, Oregon

I have read Heather's book – Eating for IBS and would like to utilize her recommendations under the sub-heading "Powders, Pills, And Potions". I suffer from IBS-D and want to make sure that I know what to take and in what regiments to be safe! I have purchased the Acacia Tummy Fiber, Fibercon, Peppermint Oil Capsules, Caltrate (1200mg), and Centrum Multi-Vitamin and am planning to pick up the Acidophilus. I also take Imodium as an emergency back-up. I was really hoping that Heather could approve or improve on the below regiment that I am going to begin following. I tried to email her, but for some reason my message was returned. Any comments, or suggestions would be wonderful!



Morning:



One peppermint capsule

One dose of Caltrate (600mg)

One Centrum Multi-Vitamin

One dose of Effexor (75mg – for anxiety)

One teaspoon of Acacia Fiber



Mid-Afternoon:



One does of Caltrate (600mg)

One teaspoon of Acacia Fiber



Evening:



One peppermint capsule

One teaspoon of Acacia Fiber



Night:



One dose of Zyrtek (10mg for Allergies)



As Needed:



Fibercon (up to four doses of two capsules per day)

Imodium (up to four doses in a 24 hour period)

Altoid Mints (swallowed before a meal as needed)


P.S. Of course, I will also be changing my diet to adhere to the IBS recommended foods.

Thank you so much in advance!

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Adam

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That sounds fine... new
      #268055 - 06/07/06 05:05 AM
atomic rose

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Just be aware that you will need to tinker with the acacia dosage... you might find that a tsp at a time is too much at first, and that's fine (although some people are fine with it, so give it a try!)... and of course you should also work on gradually increasing the dosage as well.

Good luck. And remember to give it time - this is not a quick fix, and you will likely not feel better immediately, but stick with it and you'll agree that the results were totally worth the wait.

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Yep, I'd agree... new
      #268096 - 06/07/06 09:28 AM
HeatherAdministrator

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and I wouldn't start out with three teaspoons of Acacia per day. Try just 1/2 tsp. twice a day.

For the Acacia, it really doesn't matter when you take it. For the peppermint caps, you want an empty stomach about an hour before a meal. For the vitamins, you want a full stomach.

Just a thought - if this schedule is a bit much for you at first, I'd eliminate the calcium and vitamins until you're stable with everything else. Then you can add those in after a meal. That might make it easier to get into a set routine that works for you. Otherwise, you have a lot of different things you're trying to juggle.

Best,
Heather

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Re: Yep, I'd agree... new
      #268097 - 06/07/06 09:40 AM
AG1983

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Loc: Portland, Oregon

Heather!! Thank you so much for replying - you rock! I have actually been taking the Acacia fiber three teaspoons a day for about a month and am tolerating it pretty well. I am just now prepared to incorporate everything else. How much Acacia fiber should I aim for in a day (down the road after I slowly raise the dosage)? Thank you so much for your advice (yours too Atomic Rose)! I am looking forward to starting the "breaking the cycle phase" on Friday.

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Re: Yep, I'd agree... new
      #268138 - 06/07/06 12:51 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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Okay - didn't realize you'd been at that Acacia dose for a while, so you're good to go. You can keep gradually increasing but your final dose really depends on you. What you want is to feel stable - no diarrhe, no constipation, just a normal middle point. That dose varies so much from person to person - anywhere from 1 T to 4 T per day, and I think there are some folks even lower or higher than that.

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H

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Re: Yep, I'd agree... new
      #268145 - 06/07/06 01:14 PM
AG1983

Reged: 06/05/06
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Loc: Portland, Oregon

Thank you Heather - FOR EVERYTHING! I have a pretty good understanding now and am going to jump right in.

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Re: "Pills, Powders, And Potions" new
      #268152 - 06/07/06 01:38 PM
Sommer

Reged: 02/09/04
Posts: 283
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona USA

Hi Adam, I've had IBS-C for over 5 years now, so my situation isn't the same as yours. I don't have the money to afford the products that Heather offers here on here on her website, although I try to afford to cook soem of the IBS recipes on the IBS recipe index.

I can't offer you any advice and I wish I could, except that I empathize with you - I just happen to have C more than D.

I used to have a tea ball (one of these days I'll have to buy a new one) and I used to use fresh peppermint, fennel, and basil. I had gone to a natural foods store and purchased a box of peppermint that you'd measure into the tea ball and let steep for peppermint tea. I was so desperate I also tried buying fennel seeds from the spice aisle, crushing them to release some of the oils and steeping them int he tea ball. I did the same with the basil. It was like the poor-woman's tea, rofl. I try to remember to take a multi-vitamin every day after eating, but I sometimes forget. I recently purchase a clear fiber supplement called Citrucel (supposed to be clear and tasteless and you can mix with any drink as long as the drink isn't carbonated) and I try to remember to take the citrucel too, but I admit I usually take it less than 3 times a week and not daily. I used to take Benefiber chewables but they were powdery, although they seemed to cause less gas than the citrucel. The citrucel even says doesn't cause gas! It causes a little bit, but not much at all. I avoid anything with psyllium. I won't buy metamucil at all. I used to be on Effexor but I was on twice the dose you take. If you don't mind me asking, how are you feeling? I know anxiety can make IBS feel worse, it twists up your insides and makes it difficult for your body to relax and digest.

I have never tried Immodium - I'm afraid to, I keep thinking I'm going to be stuck somewhere too far from a bathroom and I'm just gonna lose it! *giggle* Zyrtec never seemed to bother me, but then again, my IBS might be slightly different from yours. Zyrtec also never helped my allergies either, so I just stopped taking it. I'd like to know how the peppermint capsules and acacia fiber work for you, I'm very interested. Drinking peppermint tea sometimes made me more bloated, even though some of the pain was gone - fennel did the same thing, made me bloated, but then again I was drinking water, not just swallowing a peppermint capsule. I want to know if the acacia and peppermint capsules work better. In a pinch I sucked on an Altoid mint (even tho caffeine is sometimes bad for some IBS sufferers, the peppermint can be soothing) and I have also dissolved an Altoid in hot water. Caltrate is calcium right? Fibercon is more fiber, too?

If I'm understanding correctly, you're taking a lot of fiber each day - that's gotta be nuts (no offense meant). You have IBS-D and you're taking that much fiber? Are you trying to poop out your entire lower intestines? I'm not criticizing you, I'm being a little goofy, offering my thoughts, and asking for your opinions, Adam. So I am very sorry if I offended you in any way.

Heather probably knows more than I do. I am not a doctor, but I do pride myself on having spent most of my life studying the human body and its reactions. I'm very aware of my body, what I put in it, and how it reacts. Sometimes I'll cheat and I'll pay for it in an hour, other times I won't pay for it until weeks later - makes it hard to determine if I truly made a boo-boo or not. But all I know is that there *IS* such thing as too much of a good thing. If your body doesn't need the extra vitamins, it's gonna flush it out in your urine, if it can't do that, it'll build up in your system and cause problems later. I'm not trying to scare you at all, just relating my experiences. But your body isn't mine. I'll shut up now since I think I've eaten both my feet and feet aren't really good to eat imho. Good luck with your regimen, let us know how you do. Take care.

Sommer

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Re: "Pills, Powders, And Potions" new
      #268156 - 06/07/06 02:00 PM
AG1983

Reged: 06/05/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Portland, Oregon

Heather's suggestions seem to be improving my conditon. I encourage you to familiarize yourself with this website - the soluble fiber found in Acacia, Metamucil and Citrucel, and fibercon are all forms of soluble fiber which is benificial for both IBS-C and IBS-D according to Heather (my syptoms support her suggestions) as they have different effects for each. Where it might enable you to use the bathroom, it prevents me from using it too much. You should certainly try to inform yourself about what this website is all about before being so forward (just my opinion) - people around here need encouragement and not negativity. Good luck with your pursuit for stability.

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Re: "Pills, Powders, And Potions" /If I may explain myself further new
      #268178 - 06/07/06 04:55 PM
Sommer

Reged: 02/09/04
Posts: 283
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona USA

To start, I just finished re-reading my original reply to you to be sure. I also read all the replies from Heather and Atomic Rose. What am I, chopped liver? Do you really, honestly think that what I had to say was utter poop? I'm doing my best here to watch my language, because I was already hurt by your assumption that I was answering you with no knowledge and no encouragement. But now, after reading all the replies, I feel totally unappreciated. I'd like the chance to explain myself to you and to anyone else who reads this. Did I tell you the doses were wrong? Did I tell you your regimen was just screwed up? NO I DIDN'T. What I did say was that in my experience, in my opinion, to my understanding that your regimen was confusing to me. No, I didn't say it that way - but the expression was surely there. (Like the sorry to offend you and the other phrases I stuck in there to let you know I wasn't in any way trying to be rude or that you were wrong). In fact, as I mentioned, I'm not stupid, I knew what I was talking about when I asked you clarifying questions - questions that all you had to do was answer for me so I understood you better. Instead you decide what I had to say was worthless. You replied to me as if I had told you that you were wrong and following Heather's advice was wrong - just because I decided to share with you the fact that I've had bad experiences and that I'm afraid to take certain OTC meds and supplements b/c of my body's reaction. Heather and her advice and her books are by far more than I can offer you, and you know your body best, but that doesn't mean I ignore the entire website and go along my merry way answering random ppl's posts with random answers because I feel like it. Heather's never failed in responding promptly to ppl's questions - and yes, she's practically a life-saver since she founded this website and did all this research, I don't blame you for worshipping the ground she walks on. But I'm not an idiot and if I can find it, I will look for the info I need. If I can't find it, it might mean I have to ask the question again. I hate making ppl answer questions twice-over, but it's very difficult for me to read things sometimes, especially when the forums are so jam-packed with info. Now, Adam, if you care to read the rest of my reply, it's below. I have no more patience for taking the time to empathize with you, ask you how you're feeling, how you are doing, ask you to clarify a few things and then have you throw it back in my face. I tried it once and it didn't work. I'm out of energy to try again. :'(

Well, you're obviously new around here, that or you don't remember me, or you don't care to. I've been on this site for 3 yrs and of no fault of my own, I haven't been able to stay as active on the boards as I wanted to. Instead, if I could, I tried checking the IBS recipe exchange board, hping to find something inexpensive and quick and easy to make. I have never had a problem with anyone telling me that I was acting negative or discouraging. If I was, they never told me. I'm very careful to punctuate my statements with plenty of emoting since text is next to impossible to interpret intonation. I have an annoying ability to read into ppl's feelings even if they aren't in the room. Your text in your reply to me expressed a mix of annoyance, a little ego, a tiny bit of sarcasm, and an insincere politeness. Next time you want an answer, don't get defensive if you dislike the answer. I've never met anyone on this forum who talked to me that way. There's no need for hostility. Everyone is going to have a different personality, a different answer, opinion, etc. Sure, a large amount will agree, but there are still some that won't because they're bodies didn't appreciate the regimen.

If you also knew how to read an emote properly you'd have seen that I was offering you my experiences in the form of opinions and advice. So let me rephrase it - in my experience(S) and I've had numerous, certain forms of fiber cupplements hurt me worse than they help. When I first went to a doctor over six yrs ago with symptoms of C, bloating, twisting, clawing, burning, gas, and basically the most uncomfortable feeling every time I thought about putting a piece of food near my mouth, my doc said, "oh, well you probably need to go eat more fiber and take fiber supplements." As I said, I'm not a doctor, but I watch and pay attention to what things to do to me so I knew what I was experiencing was way out of the norm for me. Thinking he was the expert, I followed his advice. It was a very bad idea. Imagine a fire-breathing dragon inside your gut, clawing its way through your stomach and intestines, biting and chewing and breathing fire. The heat from his fire-breathing would make his teeth and claws hot, so now you've got searing claws and teeth tearing through you. All I could do was curl up in the fetal position (which did nothing to help) and cry and if anyone was nearby and offered their hand, I nearly tore their hand off squeezing it so hard because of the pain. ER's wanted me to use antacids. That doubled the pain. I was in cold sweats, shaking like a leaf, I couldn't stand or walk, couldn't sleep, couldn't work, and I couldn't eat a thing. One of my worst bouts was when I nearly passed out walking to work. I'm glad I didn't. I was worried no car would stop to check if I was ok. I tried drinking water so I didn't dehydrate, but a drop of water was all it took for me to run to the bathroom. It took over a year for me to find someone who could help me, it took me at least that much time to find Heather's website. Maybe you're rich or at least well off financially, maybe you can afford to buy all the acacia, cookbooks, "How to Eat for IBS" introduction books, teas, supplements, soy and rice products, fiber supplments, and the like, but I can't.

I would log onto Heather's site and stare longingly at the various IBS kits she had, wishing I could afford them. I've tried many things in many forms as alternatives to what her kits offered. From many, many trials and errors, most of my alternatives have failed me. Oh well, I did what I can, and I can't say I didn't try. This doesn't mean I won't try them again. But when your life is that inconvenienced and you're in that much pain and it ruins your ability to enjoy your life, you'll do almost anything.

Unfortunately, I can't tell my landlord that he'll have to wait for the rent because my tummy really hurts and I need to start buying alternative foods and supplements and cookbooks that can teach me how to prepare food that my gut can candle. Instead, I buy what I can, when I can. I treat the symptoms with Zelnorm, which helps a lot. It's unfortunate that the symptoms have worsened in the past 2 months.

In case you missed my other posts which were basically "Hey how are all of you, I'm back and missed you and glad to see you're all still around, here's an update on me..." but I posted a couple, including a reply to yours.

I have a very open mind and will try a lot of things, I will even try things more than once. But when overdoing the fiber, the fiber supplements, the wheat bread, etc., made me want to die, I knew that wasn't the answer. I couldn't understand how a doctor could have been so wrong. He didn't do anything. He practically interrupted me when I told him what I was feeling. I think I was in his office talking to him for 5mins total.

I found Heather's website and I don't even know how I came to hear about the term IBS but I'm glad I did. I'm disabled, legally blind, on disability, with no health insurance. I take the info Heather has provided and do what I can with it; her website and those who have contributed to it are the best resources I've found yet and I'm very grateful. I can't afford to purchase her IBS kits which I want very badly - so I have to compromise, and wait until I can. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. I still am trying.

So please try to understand that's all I was saying, I just have different ways of saying things and different experiences. I was sharing with you that I do a lot of the same things as you do and I was curious as to how they would work for you. Every person is different, every IBS case is different. If you pay attention to what your body tells you, you probably noticed that anxiety doesn't help your IBS. If your regimen works for you, I'm thrilled for you. I don't care if walking down ten flights of steps on your hands works for you - all I cared about was that you were able to get relief.

I'm an inquisitive person. It looks like this time curiosity not only killed this cat but left it in the middle of the road to get run over a few times.

I have never discouraged any member of this forum since I started here. If I couldn't be here to chat, I tried to log on at least to find a recipe to try that I could afford to buy the ingredients for. I was probably absent more often than I was active, but it wasn't totally my fault. Computers are luxuries ya know.

I'm in a lot of pain and logged on to find out what was going on, and see if I could afford the 30-min Chili Recipe or if I even felt like it. Panic attacks caused from feeling like I'm being scolded for trying to be curious and wishing you luck don't help IBS either. I mean at least I did start off with "If you dont mind me asking, does the effexor help, cuz I used to take it too..."

Perhaps you were the first one who had the guts to tell me I was being a jerk, but I'm pretty sure the rest of the forum would have had no problem letting me know if I was out of line. So I apologize if you misread me wrong. I apologize to Heather and the forum and the moderators. Next time, if I decide to post, I'll make sure to add plenty of emotes. Maybe I just have a bad sense of humor, maybe I should become more hard-hearted and less light-hearted. I don't really know anymore. I just hope Heather and the moderators don't kick me off. *SIGH*

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AG1983 - Question for you. new
      #268301 - 06/08/06 11:00 AM
hohoyumyum

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Loc: SacTown, CA

I see that you are in Portland. Me too. Will you be attending the Get Together (IBS Group Meeting) in Woodburn on the 17th?

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