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Can too much peppermint cause constipation?
      #207157 - 08/21/05 10:01 AM
badlydrawnboy

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I've been taking 2 of Heather's peppermint/fennel/ginger capsules 3x/day and they've really helped reduce pain and spasms. However, I've been even more constipated than normal. Could the muscle relaxing effects of the peppermint be causing this?

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #207812 - 08/23/05 12:31 PM
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I think so, although frankly I'm just feeling pretty confused by the whole IBS-C/spasm connection right now. Anyhow, here's my thinking on your question:

I used to think that Heather was saying that IBS-D and IBS-C were both caused by an overactive gastrocolic reflex, but after going back through "The First Year", I'm not so sure about this anymore. If you look at Footnote 2 on this page from "The First Year", it sounds like the last thing someone with constipation would want is a more relaxed colon. Given that, it makes sense that peppermint would be helping with your pain and spams, since it's an anti-spasmodic, but could also be relaxing your digestive tract more than you want.

On the other hand, "Eating For IBS" says "Constipation may follow an attack as the colon 'shuts down' in response to the earlier spasms, and can then become an ongoing problem in its own right." (The quote in the book differs from the quote on this Website.) This makes it sound like constipation IS the result of colon spasms. This is also in keeping with the description of IBS in The New York Times article jaime_g posted. In this scenario, it sounds like reducing spasms should reduce constipation, since it's the severe spasming that leads to the constipation.

Hence my confusion.

BTW, how did your Sitz marker test for STC go?

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I want to know the same thing! new
      #207836 - 08/23/05 01:22 PM
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I just purchased the peppermint tea, and while I LOVE it, and it helps with the pain ect...my C gets worse. I thought it was supposed to help the overall problem, but perhaps it only treats symptoms. I'm afraid I won't be able to enjoy the tea after all.

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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #207866 - 08/23/05 02:09 PM
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Hi Sand!

The results of my sitz marker test were (to me at least) inconclusive. I was really constipated when I started the test and at some point during it the aloe vera I was taking kicked in and I got diarrhea. So the markers were gone by the time I went back five days later.

Anyhow, even if the markers were still present, what would the test have told me? That I'm constipated! You don't say! Yes, I understand that it can tell me the difference between slow transit constipation and some kind of obstruction. But I'm mostly interested in results. Even my primary care doc said a lot of allopathic (Western) diagnostic tests are "mental masturbation" (his words, not mine!) because it's just a bunch of high-tech neato gadgetry that doesn't produce information that can lead to a successful treatment.

In other words, the doctors mostly still don't have a clue about IBS. But then we knew that already.

I'm reading a book (and following the program) called "Restoring Your Digestive Health" by Dr. Joseph Brasco and Jordan Rubin. It's a completely different approach than what is followed here. I've been seeing some positive results for the first time in a long, long while. Anyhow, Dr. Brasco says in his chapter on IBS that it is "very likely a group of many disorders that have been clumped under one name because we don't understand the individual disorders enough". I know Heather has said something similar, and that to me explains why people respond so wildly differently to a given approach (like the IBS diet, for example).

In the case of what you mentioned, I suspect that constipation can be caused by both an overly relaxed and overly stimulated colon. And unfortunately (for me, and other IBS-C folks) it can be both. I know that when I have a lot of cramps and spasms, I won't be having a BM the next day. Likewise, there is a familiar "nothing happening" or "dead" sensation when it seems like everything is just completely stopped that also tells me I'm going to be backed up. What's bizarre is that for some people, the exact opposite is true: spasms mean an immediate trip to the bathroom.

It's a mystery. Just stinks that we're the subjects of it.

Chris

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Wondering the same -- Heather? new
      #207934 - 08/23/05 04:39 PM
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I am IBS-A, and I can't tell if the C that often follows my D is just the normal A thing or if it's because of all the peppermint caps and tea. Can you please help us understand?

Thanks!

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Nope, it should help if it's IBS constipation new
      #207949 - 08/23/05 06:38 PM
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as relaxing the colon will just let it contract more normally and rhythmically.

The newsletter that just went out pointed up a study about the differences between IBS constipation and chronic constipation. One key difference is that pain/spasms are a part of IBS, but not chronic constipation. They haven't really nailed down the cause of CC, but it doesn't seem to be from the dysmotility, mis-timed gut contractions, and weird brain-gut disturbance that characterizes IBS. My guess here is that CC won't be helped by peppermint, since there is no need to relax the gut, and who knows? Maybe the gut is TOO relaxed with CC. But with IBS the motility is just off-kilter and spasms are a hallmark part of the syndrome, so peppermint and the relaxation it causes should only help, for both D and C.

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      #207993 - 08/24/05 05:35 AM
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Thanks Heather!! I'm still loving the tea, by the way!! I think I must have been having a bad day on one of my early cups of tea, because everything is great now, and the tea is better than ever!

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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #208007 - 08/24/05 05:58 AM
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Hi Chris, Say, when you get this 'dead sensation' is it painless? Also, spasms with D people means an immediate trip
to the bathroom because their stools are totally watery,
whereas with C their lacking too much water and don't
readily move. I'll have to check out this book you mention,
it sounds very interesting. -Bob

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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #208082 - 08/24/05 09:37 AM
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Yes, when I have a "dead sensation", there isn't any pain. But I also have the experience of being curled up on the floor in excruciating pain. So it varies. Based on Heather's post, there's no question I have "IBS-C" rather than chronic constipation. I still question what that really means and how useful the information is, though. I'm still interested in learning what the etiology of my particular "version" of IBS-C is - not as an intellectual exercise, but as a means of finding a treatment strategy that is effective. For example, if my IBS-C is caused by bacterial dysbiosis that resulted from the severe parasitic infection I had years ago, then any treatment that doesn't resolve that dysbiosis is unlikely to heal the condition. I might find temporary and partial symptomatic relief with other approaches, but not get at the root of what's causing the problem. The book I mentioned gets at the root of what the authors (and I) believe causes many digestive problems. Not all, but many.

Chris

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      #208090 - 08/24/05 09:57 AM
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when you say "I'm still interested in learning what the etiology of my particular "version" of IBS-C is - not as an intellectual exercise, but as a means of finding a treatment strategy that is effective", are you saying you think there is a specific cause and cure for IBS? Or do you think IBS can only be "mangaged"?

Are you following Jordan Rubin's diet by eating Ezekiel bread, taking his primal defense or Super Seed Fiber supplements, etc? His diet seems very IF based...was wondering how that approach was working for you.

I admire you not "accepting" this and trying to get to the basis of your problem! Isn't that a full time job though, I bet! I applaud you.

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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #208133 - 08/24/05 10:54 AM
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Chris, Thanks for the info. Say, if your condition is caused
by bacterial dysbiosis, wouldn't simple antibiotics cure it?
-Bob

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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #208197 - 08/24/05 01:56 PM
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Nope. Been there, done that. Antibiotics indiscriminantly kill all bacteria (including the good bugs that keep the bad ones in check). They may reduce the total bacteria count, but unless one can quickly repopulate the gut with good flora after an antibiotic treatment, drugs usually make the dysbiosis worse. That's what has happened in my case. I'm following a more natural (and ultimately effective I believe) approach of introducing probiotics through cultured dairy products (from goats, because goats milk is easier for humans to digest), cultured veggies (i.e. homemade saeurkraut, etc) and other fermented foods. I believe that foods and food-based probiotic products are far more effective in reaching the large intestine than 95% of commercial supplements.



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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #208204 - 08/24/05 02:27 PM
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I was wondering if you were taking a prebiotic as well? I've read that by serving as "food" for the probiotics you find in yogurt it can increase their volume by 5-10 times. I think most studies have been done with inulin, but I assume (based on information Heather has provided here) that most SFS, like acacia or Benefiber (which I also take in addition to foods containing inulin), provide the same benefit. Is there any mention of this in the book you're reading?

I'm going to have to check out "Restoring Your Digestive Health." Sounds like an informative read!

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What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208206 - 08/24/05 02:33 PM
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And why are they good for you? I always thought fermented foods meant they produced gas? Can you explain this...I'm very interested.

Maria, do you also take a probiotic supplement? Or just the acacia, Luna bars, and soy yogurt?

Thanks.

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Re: What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208209 - 08/24/05 02:39 PM
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Probiotics can be helpful in restoring the balance of flora (bacteria and yeast) that reside in the colon and serve many essential functions (including digestion). Heather speaks of them in her book I believe. But there are mountains of information available out there.

For starters, http://www.naturodoc.com/library/detox/probiotics.htm

I just did a quick search and didn't even read this article; but it will give you an idea.



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Re: What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208211 - 08/24/05 02:45 PM
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Thanks, but I didn't see any foods listed. What foods can one eat that are fermented?

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Re: What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208213 - 08/24/05 02:53 PM
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Howdy, Cyndy. Heather has some good information about prebiotics on the site. If you do a google search for "inulin" there should be a link to info on nutrition.org and from there you can read about it and link to other studies. But I think badlydrawnboy answered your first question, so I'll answer the one regarding my diet.

I don't take a probiotic supplement. Right now I'm just getting the inulin from Luna Bars and Teeccino (inulin usually comes from chicory), probiotics from soy yogurt (I was eating sauerkraut for a while per dr's recommendation but it made me too gassy--this was before learning about Heather's diet, so I may add it back in, with a good SF base. Maybe!), and I use Benefiber (guar gum--although I haven't been taking it as regularly). Other than cultured dairy/soy-alternative products, I don't know what other fermented foods are available. Oh, I think tempeh is another good source.

HTH!

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      #208215 - 08/24/05 02:57 PM
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I was just reading about probiotics on medicine.net and found these to add to the list of fermented foods: miso, kim-chee, beet juice.

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Cochrane's Aphorism new
      #208246 - 08/24/05 04:44 PM
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Quote:

Before ordering a test decide what you will do if it is 1) positive, or 2) negative. If both answers are the same, don't do the test.




I don't really find it bizarre that colon spasms mean C for some and D for others. Somewhere Heather speaks of how spasms can cause a "charley horse" effect resulting in C. I always just extended that analogy and figured D was like an eyelid twitch.

It does stink the C can be a result of both an overactive and an underactive colon. Very hard to manage for both conditions at once.

I'm glad to hear "Restoring Your Digestive Health" is providing some positive results. I hope it turns out to be the answer you've been seeking.

Take care.

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Re: What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208247 - 08/24/05 04:48 PM
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There is a vast difference between the various types of fermented foods available. It's a topic too wide to cover in detail here, but let me just say that homemade, naturally cultured foods are almost always preferable to commercially produced products. Commercial products are often not cultured long enough to be medicinally effective and they often contain additives which diminish the therapeutic benefit.

That said, Helios makes an excellent kefir (kefir is similar to yogurt, but contains more beneficial organisms and has a more "drinkable" consistency). I know dairy is discouraged on this diet but many people who can't tolerate dairy can tolerate kefir.

Sauerkraut is also good, but make sure to get raw (heating/pasteurization kills the bacteria and makes it useless as a fermented food). You can also obtain starter cultures (www.bodyecologydiet.com) and make your own versions for far less money. Rejuvenative foods (www.rejuvenative.com) sells a product I highly recommend called "Vegi-Delite", which is a mix of cultured beets, cabbage, etc.

In all cases, you must start SLOWLY and build up over time. If you go too quickly you will likely get worse (as someone else mentioned here). It's natural to have a little gas during the transition as the good bacteria kill off the bad. It's kind of like building up slowly with a fiber supplement.

HTH,
Chris


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Thanks Heather new
      #208276 - 08/24/05 07:41 PM
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That really clears things up. I think I (and others) often confuse IBS-C with chronic constipation or just run-of-the-mill constipation that non-IBS people get. Thanks!

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Re: What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208368 - 08/25/05 07:57 AM
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Hi Chris, Thanks for the info! So now then kefir may not necessarily be a trigger then? I like the stuff, I used to
drink it. One thing that is puzzling to me is that if your
condition is just due to a bacteriological imbalance, why
would you get spasms then? Also, what brought you to this
premise in the first place? Did your GI doc suggest it? Or
is it based on your own reading and research? Must be some-
thing to it if you're having decent success with your treatment. Now, are your spasms also subsiding as a result
of this treatment? I just ordered Brasco and Rubin's book
this morning from Amazon.com. I think I might go out and
get some kefir today too. -Bob

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Bob, just remember.. new
      #208410 - 08/25/05 08:33 AM
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kefir is still dairy. So, if you decide to try it...maybe go slowly to test the waters. I think you can order non dairy kefir starters and add your rice or soy milk to it to make it non-dairy.

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Thanks for the info new
      #208429 - 08/25/05 09:00 AM
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Good luck with the diet and keep us updated. I have huge gas and bloat problems, so the thought of femented foods like saurkraut just about make me hurt just thinking about it. But then again, nothing else seems to be helping.

I don't think I could afford to order all the special foods either. Or, I wouldn't even know where to begin to make my own. Where to buy the foods or ingredients or appliances. Does the book give you recipes and sources of "special" appliances you need to make them?

I know if Rubin's book "Patient Heal Thyself" his diet requires very unusual and hard to find foods...maybe only found in California or special ordered through websites. I thought about trying his diet, but the foods were impossible to find and very expensive to order...or they weren't shipped to my area.

How are you doing with the Kefir? Can you buy that brand in a traditional store?

Are you also eating the Manna and Ezekiel bread that is recommended? That bread scares me with all the seeds, beans, etc...but then that's because it is so different than Heather's diet and it's difficult to change your thought process concerning safe and unsafe foods.

Also, fermenting is suppose to cause lots of gas and bloating...doesn't it just sit in your body fermenting and causing lots of gas? I thought it was better to eat foods that didn't ferment, whatever those may be. I can never keep tract of which foods ferment quickly and which ferment slowly and which are type are least likely to cause gas.

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Re: What are some examples of fermented foods? new
      #208438 - 08/25/05 09:19 AM
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I'm not looking at things through the lens of the IBS diet, so my perspective is going to be different than what is shared here. That's why I'm hesitant to say too much about it - I'm not really sure this is the appropriate environment to be discussing a completely different approach which contradicts what Heather says in many respects.

That said, kefir may or may not be a trigger for you. You'll just have to find out. And, you can buy kefir starter from bodyecologydiet.com and use it to make homemade kefir from rice milk (I don't recommend soy for anyone, anytime... see Jordan's book for more info on this).

Most of what I've learned comes from my graduate study of chinese and western medicine, the doctors and health care practitioners I've seen, books, extensive research and over 7 years of personal experience with this stuff. The bacterial dysbiosis is fairly certain when I consider the history and etiology of my condition.

Chris

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Re: Thanks for the info new
      #208441 - 08/25/05 09:22 AM
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Yes, following the diet can be expensive as you point out. However, if you make most of the cultured foods yourself (obtaining starter cultures on the Internet) and buy conventional produce rather than organic (making sure to scrub it with a produce wash before consuming), and canned fish rather than fresh... it's possible.

But as I said in the other post, I don't feel entirely comfortable discussing the particulars of other approaches here because this in a BB for Heather's approach - which I want to honor and respect.

Good luck,
Chris

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      #208444 - 08/25/05 09:30 AM
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Does Benefiber contain a pre or probiotic? For some reason I thought you took Acacia.

Inulin scares me because Heather says if you are prone to gas or bloat to avoid inulin. I would eat Luna Bars and Teeccino, but I'm scared of gas and bloating.

I also read that FOS is a prebiotic, but that also causes gas and problems for IBS...

I'm so tired of being afraid of foods. I don't know if I should go ahead and try these food while still feeling gassy and boated and cramped. What do you think?

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      #208459 - 08/25/05 09:59 AM
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Benefiber is an SFS, so I believe it's also a prebiotic according to what Heather has said about SFS: "Probiotics are most effective when they're taken in conjunction with a prebiotic; a prebiotic (such as Tummy Fiber Acacia) is something that encourages the growth of probiotics. Soluble fibers often have a prebiotic effect, as their normal fermentation in the gut causes the production of beneficial short-chain fatty acids, which then lead to the growth of good gut flora. This in turn leads to a reduction (sometimes dramatic) in abdominal bloating and gas." So you can think of prebiotics or acacia/SFS as the food for the probiotics you get from soy yogurt: you're introducing the good microflora and feeding them so they'll thrive and flourish in your colon and take over any population of harmful bacteria.

You really want to know what I think? Well, I think being afraid of foods will lead you to unnecessary stress and anxiety that will then lead you to an attack so that whatever you put in your mouth will cause problems. However, I understand your fear because I've felt that way too. But I got tired of fearing food because I NEED food. Plus, I'm scared of ATTACKS and PAIN, which aren't always to be blamed on food--anxiety, fatigue, the mysteries of IBS are triggers as well. So, I'm trying not be scared of food; instead, I'm trying to be more AWARE of food. What I mean is, I follow the trigger list and avoid what Heather has listed as definite no-nos and I do my best to always have a good amount of SF.

However, when she has mentioned something, like inulin is a problem for some folks, I see that as information to alert me of this possibility (not a certainty) so that if I try it and experience more bloating, I can say, "Well it's probably the inulin" and move on. So I tested it out for while, prepared for the worst but hoping for the best. I'm glad I didn't stay away from inulin, because I love my Luna Bars and Teeccino!

I'm not really experienced in ways to manage C, but I think if you start incorporating more food, safely, into your diet and try to feel as relaxed as possible when you eat you might just surprise yourself. Have you thought about posting what you are currently eating/doing on the fitness board? Really, it's helpful to have people look over and point out things that might be bothering you. When I first started, I was eating raw baby carrots all the time and then Linz pointed out they would be safer if I cooked them. So I tried that and immediately found I had less pain! The same with regular oat meal vs instant. And Wind recently pointed out that a soup I've been eating contains MSG and casein, which showed me that I could have them in very small amounts.

I hope this helps a bit. I'm not sure I quite made my point about the difference between fearing foods and being aware of them.

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Thank you, Chris. I appreciate that you are concerned about this.. new
      #208462 - 08/25/05 10:01 AM
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it is important that this board keep a focus on the IBS diet, and not spiral out into a million different types of diets with totally contradictory information. I know this limits the board, but it also keeps the clarity. And goodness knows there are tons of internet boards already out there for the SCD diet, or Rubin's info, or Atkins, etc. I try really hard to keep this particular forum clear and consistent so people can get straight info about the IBS diet in particular, and not end up totally confused and overwhelmed.

Thank you again - I appreciate your consideration here more than you know!

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Re: Bob, just remember...Yeah, better safe than sorry new
      #208466 - 08/25/05 10:07 AM
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Hi Cyndy, Yeah, I figured since it was working for Chris, and
she said a lot of people can tolerate it, I figured well then,
sounds good to me. But you're right she didn't say it was
absolutely ok. By the way, what are these kefir starters,
where could I order them from? I know they're not available
in the boonies here. I guess they don't need to be refrigerated? Thanks for bringing me back to reality. -Bob

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Re: More fermented foods new
      #208603 - 08/25/05 05:16 PM
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Here's a few more fermented foods that I can think of:

--olives
--pickles (or pickled anything)
--cheeses (also soy/rice/almond cheeses)
--wine, beer, spirits
--vinegars
--dairy products, i.e. yogurt, kefir, sour cream, creme fraiche, etc. (and their soy alternatives)
--sauerkraut
--miso
--natto
--kimchi (I miss this. Must acquire some. I used to eat it almost everyday!!!)
--yeast/bread
--teas (i.e. green tea. alot of teas are preserved via fermentation)
--smoked foods, i.e. fish
--seasoned aged sausages
--basically anything "brined" in a salt stock is fermented
--mustard, ketchup, etc.

Kate, IBS-D--almost A.

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These are definitely not all safe for IBS... new
      #208615 - 08/25/05 06:31 PM
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and only a few of them would have the live cultures that are one of the prime benefits of fermentation.

- H

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Re: These are definitely not all safe for IBS... new
      #208624 - 08/25/05 07:32 PM
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I agree!

Kate, IBS-D, almost A.

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      #208656 - 08/25/05 10:58 PM
Kandee

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I buy YOGOURMET Freeze - Dried Kefir Starter in a 6 pkg box..that makes 6 quarts of liquid kefir..You can mix it with a milk sub like a rice/soy or nut milk and it doesn't take any special equipment..you just leave it out at room temperature for 24 hrs.to ferment, then refrigerate it. The only difference with making it non-dairy is that you can't save some of the past mixture to start the next (like you would with a sourdough starter). You use a new pkg. each time you make it. It's not expensive. You'll pay anywhere from $3-$6 a box of 6 pkgs. depending on how many you order at one time. I not only just drink it, I use it in smoothies and like I would buttermilk for homemade Ranch dressing or in baked products where it calls for buttermilk or a soured milk. Do a google search for sources if you are interested. Kandee


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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #208665 - 08/25/05 11:55 PM
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I take peppermint capsules too 3 times a day because it calms my stomach but have to take citrucel to help me go. I didn't have to use it as often. I used to chew peppermint sugarless gum to calm my stomach then take mylanta to stop the acid. Maybe too much of good thing doesn't always work. So maybe you're right!
Wilson

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Re: Kefir starters, Thanks very much Kandee -Bob -nt- new
      #208689 - 08/26/05 05:30 AM
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Re: Kefir starters - Thanks, Kandee. Safe Ranch Dressing w/out soy - yum. -nt- new
      #208770 - 08/26/05 09:51 AM
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      #208794 - 08/26/05 10:18 AM
Sand

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This is a great post, Maria. I agree totally with your advice to post meals for others to take a look at. I don't know what amazes me more: how willing people on the Board are to help with something like that or how good they are at spotting possible problems. And I think you made your point about the difference between fearing foods and being aware of them brilliantly.

Kudos.

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You're welcome Sand and Bob..hope that helped -nt- new
      #208958 - 08/26/05 05:07 PM
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Re: Can too much peppermint cause constipation? new
      #371684 - 12/01/14 09:49 PM
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Quote:

I've been taking 2 of Heather's peppermint/fennel/ginger capsules 3x/day and they've really helped reduce pain and spasms. However, I've been even more constipated than normal. Could the muscle relaxing effects of the peppermint be causing this?

Thanks,
Chris



Wow, the directions only say 1 at a time...3/day.

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