Another Delusional Article Bashing Carbs
#10800 - 06/05/03 06:33 AM
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Arrgh! I get so frustrated sometimes! I just want to scream at all the people who bash carbs. I don't even like the word carbs anymore - it's been to misused and misunderstood. I read an article in a magazine that I usually respect. Although the general idea of the article was that the no carb thing is a BAD idea, they had advice in there including "good carbs and bad carbs" which really made my blood boil. I their defense, they were going by the glycemic index, which I suppose for most people is logical, but they actually said that white bread and potatoes have NO fiber and you should not eat them. How delusional and just plain wrong! They obviously don't know the meaning of the words soluble fiber.
To top it all off, they proceeded to say that people with IBS should have a high fiber diet with lots of fruits and vegetables. Since they totally dismissed soluble fiber I can only assume they were referring to insoluble fiber.
Usually, I am a happy gal. It's just that when you give stupidity to an Irish temper, there's going to be a clash.
Forgive me, I had to vent.
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Han,
This doesn't surprise me! Eating high insoluble fier diets have been recommended to IBSers--myself included--by doctors since I was 5...and the 2 GI's I saw this year recommended the same. I'm sorry it's upsetting you so much.......personally, I just gave up on GI's! (Which is bad--I really need one right now). What's a girl (guy) to do?!?!?!
STUPIDITY--such a costly thing......
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It amazes me, but I still hear the high fiber recommendation (specifying bran, raw vegetables, salad greens) from doctors, dietitians, and IBS medical sites. It drives my BONKERS! Don't these folks read the clinical studies regularly published in their own professional journals? There have been numerous ones on soluble v. insoluble fiber for IBS at this point. Hello?!
The carbs articles kill me too. You can't get soluble fiber in foods that aren't carbs - but the kickers is you can't get insoluble fiber from foods that aren't carbs either! Virtually all fruits and vegetables are carbs - as are grains, cereals, and beans. It just boggles my mind that anyone would suggest these foods be limited for good health. Even refined grains like white rice are still complex (not simple) carbs, and they still have soluble fiber.
Aaaaargh!!
- Heather
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I know exactly what you guys mean!! It kills me that people try to cut carbohyrates out of their diets completely! What do they think fuels their bodies?!! It kills me at work that people will come through and order the typical Adkins diet drink Sugar Free Vanilla Breve Latte. YUCK!!! The thought of even fat free milk sends my poor stomach in to panic let alone the thought of 1/2 and 1/2 milk. A few people I work with went on that for awhile saying that carbohyrates cause weight gain, which I have just had to learn to keep my mouth shut. The only thing I would say to them is, well, that's all I can have and I haven't. I would also add that it's what you eat with and put on your carbohyrates. What a load!
I guess working where I do and seeing people drink all though drinks, I am always just amazed. People don't want to invest their time and energy in their health long term, they just want the quick fix.
If we followed the insoluable fiber diet like what I have seen suggested for IBSers we would all be in pain all the time! No thanks!
I also just needed to vent a little. LOL!! At least we know we stand on the same side. LOL!!
Have a good day everyone,
Sheri 
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I had to laugh at your post, not because it was funny, but because I can really relate! I thought you would get a kick out of this. I went out to eat lunch with a big group of friends Tuesday. Everyone at the table was on some different kind of diet, mostly the low-carb ones such as Atkins. I felt so sorry for the poor waitress. After hearing over and over again from my friends, "Can I have that dish without the rice or this one without the bread and potatoes" she gets to me and I say, "I need a dish with either rice, potatoes, or bread." She looked at me like I was crazy and said, "You want CARBS with your meal?" like I was some kind of freak. I started to explain that I need these things---and everyone needs them---but I knew I was outnumbered so I just said, "Yes, I actually want some carbs. They're good for you. It's just the greasy fattening stuff people put on them that's bad for you!" She just shook her head and sighed. Later, I watched all of my friends eat the most sickened high-fat foods puddled in grease. They were so smug because they weren't eating those bad ol'carbs like I was!!!!!!!!!
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I had to laugh - thanks for the story. We will get the last laugh, when all those stupid atkins no carb people get heart disease and high cholesterol ....
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I know exactly what you guys mean. My boyfriend has gone on the Atkins diet, and it's disgusting! I'm worried for him & his health. I can't stand watching him do it, but--get this--all the GUYS at work are on the diet (we work at the same place, so I have to hear about this diet ALL THE TIME).
We have been doing a major project at work, where he's been working for like a month straight 12 hour days. So, he comes home and dirties up the frying pan almost daily with his stinky nasty burgers, steaks, sausage, etc. THEN LEAVES IT FOR ME TO CLEAN!!! Because he's too tired. I also get stuck with it in the mornings from his "breakfast". Plus, I have to keep hearing about how many carbs are in every thing (even the stuff I eat, that he doesn't). Well, the other day I got some Imagine Creamy Portabello soup, and I showed him, because I was kind of excited (we all know how it is when we find something actually safe to eat ) and he said something about how many carbs, and I just flipped. Plus, that !#$@#$ frying pan was sitting there. Again. I got so mad, I threw the frying pan out the back door. I just can't take it anymore!  (Ok, I guess maybe the fact that I had PMS may have had just a teeny little bit to do with that. )
And then, especially the first two weeks he was on it, he kept complaining his stomach was upset & he had D. Well, no wonder!
Well, he goes to get a checkup, including cholesterol, in a couple of weeks, so I can't wait to see how it comes out.
Whew...thanks for the vent! 
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I can relate
#10960 - 06/06/03 12:43 PM
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Ha! That sounds like me in a PMS rage. Except I'm afraid I would have hit him on the head with the frying pan.
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I think I would have kicked the cabinets (my fave PMS rant while cleaning and cursing hubby) and hidden the skillet & utensils from him.
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And here I thought I was the only one with a crazy temper! LOL
I have to say, it felt good to chuck that thing out there! LOL
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Mags I bet a lot of us can relate. My husband would love to send me away one week a month! I can get very angry, but I walk away before I yell and cry by myself in a room. I see my Doc on Monday and will have PMS and I'll probably cry in front of him. 
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Why are you going to cry in front of the Doc? Are you okay?
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No I'm not okay. I am so stressed out between my children being home for the summer and I started Summer School last week. I'm stressed out thinking about how I'm going to juggle my kids activities and one of my kids has to go to summer school and how I'm going to manage three classes and be a good mom. To top it off my stomach has been hurting for at least three weeks and I'm starting PMS. My doctor's appt. couldn't have come at a better time. Once I get into the routine of my Summer - I won't feel so anxious.
Thanks for asking. 
Barbara
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Barbara,
So sorry you are feeling so stressed out at the moment. It sounds like you have a lot on your plate. I can certainly relate to your comment about trying to be a good mum and not let the IBS interfere with that. I struggle with that too.
Now sounds like a really important time for you to try to combat the stress as much as you can. As a mother I know it can be hard to get time to yourself but I try to incorporate some time each day for de-stressing. See if you can get even 1/2 an hour to walk around the block, do some yoga, or deep breathing, reading, whatever works for you.
Stress is such a big trigger, I find it's best if I get into a routine of giving myself some relaxation time before things get bad.
Hope things ease up for you,
Kerrie
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I hear ya!! I absolutely hate these low carb diet things! They will make life harder for US!
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Amen sister!
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Hey Barbara! How did your doc appt. go? Hope you're feeling better!
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I flew off the handle last night thanks to PMS. I was soo mad at my husband I almost threw the raw chicken out in the back yard. Luckily I came to senses and stopped myself.
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Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission - Eleanor Roosevelt
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Thanks Kerrie for you words of encouragement. Normally I handle stress well (thanks to drugs), but sometimes it overwhelms me. I use to destress at night with a good book or TV, but I fall asleep by 9:00 every night.
I am thinking about getting a small group of moms together to go out once a month with no children and hubby!! Just having that to look forward to every month will be helpful.
I know you are a teacher and I do have a child with ADHD and without medication he is very diffcult to handle. My husband wants him to take a drug holiday for the summer and I don't. I am still giving him his medication, because I know I can't handle the stress of him bouncing off the walls. Now I have to deal with the stress of an unhappy husband.
In the mean time my IBS has been flaring up everyday and when my flares up I deal with sharp pain. Hopefully this weekend I can head to Milwaukee to spend time with friends and relax!!
Barbara
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Hi Mags,
Thanks for asking about my appt. My appt. went well and my Doc change my medication. He lowered my Levsin dose in hope it will help deal with the side effects better. He also switched me from Paxil to Paxil CR. He said the new Paxil helps calm the stomach and it comes in lower doses, because the time release works slower.
I didn't cry, but came close. I was in constant stomach pain all weekend and by Sunday night I couldn't move without sharp shooting pain. I have been eating only sour dough bread, dry rice chex and bananas. I got up and worked out this morning and so far everything seems to be fine today with my stomach.
The only stupid thing I did this morning was take my medication along with my son's meds, which he take concerta and clonidine for ADHD. I have never done that before, so I called the Pharmacists and he told me to be very careful today. I will be dizzy and dealing with low blood pressure. So much for driving today.
Tomorrow will be a better day - it has to be!!
Barbara 
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Do you all remember the post I made sometime back..expressing concern that the low carb/high fat diet craze would impact us as IBS sufferers, by possibly making manufacturers, etc switch from low fat products to low carb?
Well, I emailed my personal trainer to ask him what he thinks. This is his reply...if made me feel more hopeful!
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Sorry I'm just getting back to you...your email was somehow sent to my wife's mailbox.
Although there seems to be an excessive focus on low-carb vs. low-fat there are still low-fat options. In fact, if you take a close look at some of the "low-carb" options you may find that the restaurants have simply renamed some of their preexisting low-fat choices.
Also, like most fads, the pendulum initially swings wildly to one side before settling in a more moderate position. I think we are seeing the beginning of the moderation phase of the low-carb fad. I have recently heard news reports of studies w/people experiencing initial results on Atkins-type weight loss programs...followed by a 6 month weight gain. These types of reports will probably bring some sanity back into the commercial weight loss industry.
Hope this adequately addresses your question!
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Barbara - I'm glad your appointment went well. Hopefully the med change will work for you!
Your luck sounds about as good as mine! For the past week and a half I have been going through hell! I woke up last Monday with poison ivy, and for three days new patches kept appearing. Then, while eating, my tooth chipped, so now I had to make another appt. at the dentist when I wasn't due to go back till Oct. The cherry on top of that was my period. Oh, and also one day last week right after I got out of the shower, my power went out & never came back on, so I got to go to work with a wet head. 
Then, I woke up in the middle of the night on Monday to pee, and had excruciating pain while doing so. I assumed it was a UTI (had never been blessed with one of those yet), which my quick squeeze into the doctor yesterday morning proved it to be true, then yesterday afternoon I was off to the dentist to get my tooth fixed. Now I'm on antibiotics and taking some other stuff that makes me pee orange. I'll be done with the antibiotics on Friday...I can't wait. Today, I felt SO nauseas.
I woke up this morning thinking I might as well have gotten a prescription for diflucan, because the way things are going for me so far, I'm sure there's got to be a yeast infection in my future from the antibiotics.
On the plus side though, through all of this, I haven't had an IBS attack.
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Amazing you didn't have an IBS attack after all the stress you went through this past week. 
Hope the rest of your week goes better!!
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I noticed in one of your posts you said you take Paxil. Do you mind me asking do you have IBS-D or IBS-C? Does it help with your IBS symtoms? I have suffered from depression and panic attacks in the past and was on Zoloft for that. (The doc thought I was bipolar but I don't think that was the correct diagnosis.) I have been off all medication for a year now, and ever since, I have had stomach problems. I am wondering if there is a correlation since from what I'm reading there is a connection between serontin levels and your gut. I am thinking about asking the doctor about getting back on a low dose of one of the anti-depressants to see if it will help my IBS-C. I am desperate for something to help!!! Has anyone had success with an antidpressant and IBS-C???? If so, please share your experience.
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I hope so too! Sorry I went into whiney mode there before, but it felt good to vent.
I think I didn't have any attacks because of the hypno tapes. I've noticed in the past few weeks I've been feeling even better! Those things are amazing!  I need to jump over to the hyno board to let ShawnEric know...I've just been lazy.
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Wow. Very interesting question. I take Paxil for Obsessive Compulsive - not my IBS-D. Anyway, since my anxiety is better, so is my IBS. I don't know if Paxil can aggravate IBS - I suppose it could very well be a culprit. Do you feel the med is working for you? How is your anxiety level? Stress level? What is in your diet? These could also be reasons for an unstable tummy.
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I take paxil for OCD & anxiety. I went off of it for a couple of months, and then my IBS kicked in bigtime. Even though I went back on paxil it didn't seem to make any difference, and only the diet and alternate therapy have been affective.
Since then I've heard that taking a drug the second time around can lesson its impact, so I'm slowly making a change from paxil to zoloft... Only been on it for 3 days but anxiety seems a bit better...
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