Helpful Website and Book
#8938 - 05/13/03 08:44 AM
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tnchawk
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This website is so helpful,and Heather could not be more understanding, but I see that some people on here have some more severe illnesses other than the IBS which are digestive related. My pharmacist/nutrtionist recommended the following website ( and book by the same name) to me when I went to see him about my IBS. I have been following a "modified" version of this diet for over 3 wks now and feel really good! It is a bit difficult at first, and I know that it is not for EVERYONE, but it may be helpful to some with Celiac, etc. It's worth a look anyway. I hope no one is offended.... 
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Tried it
#8940 - 05/13/03 09:09 AM
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Karin
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Loc: Southern California
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I have this book and tried it before I tried Heather's diet. The problem is that many of the recipes in it contain a lot of fat. I purchased a bunch of Almond flour, made some good things out of it, but continued to have problems. There was a marked difference, for the positive, when I went on Heather's diet. I did like the no-carbs though, so I try to incorporate low carbs and low fat both now. I refer to the other book when I need some ideas, but I don't follow it full time any longer. Some may want to try it and see if it works for them, though, as we all have different problems and solutions. Just watch the fat!
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Right: I don't have the book, but did notice that there were some higher fat recipes. I guess that they could be modified, to fit the IBS diet? I have made a few things from it and they were good; no problems.
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Re: Tried it
#8943 - 05/13/03 09:58 AM
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Karin
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Most of the recipes call for butter, almond flour, yogurt, beef, eggs, cottage cheese, cheese, etc..... I would LOVE to see a low carb-low fat AND no wheat cookbook but there aren't any yet. Could it be that it's too specialized? LOL
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Hi - The SCD diet has been around a while, and for many people with inflammatory bowel diseases (like Crohn's and ulcerative colitis) it has had spectacular results. The theory behind the diet is that specific carbohydrates trigger gastrointestinal inflammation in people with IBD.
The problem with using the diet for IBS is two-fold. One, IBS does not have an inflammatory component, so there's no indication that specific carbohydrates would be detrimental. Two, the diet is very high in fat and includes a lot of triggers for strong gastrointestinal contractions (red meat, dairy). Actually, there's a third problem, and that is that the diet doesn't have any foundation in soluble fiber foods, which are really necessary for digestive stability and normal bowel function.
I've heard from folks with IBD and IBS who have sort of combined the two diets (difficult but certainly not impossible - there's an earlier thread about this here ) with good results. And I've heard from IBD people who have had incredible success with the SCD diet. But I haven't heard from people who "just" have IBS and have had luck with the SCD diet.
I'm always interested, though.
- Heather
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Right! That is why I thought that it might be helpful for people with something other than IBS ( Ruchie for example.) I know that IBS needs the soluble fiber base. I didn't mean to cause any confusion..SORRY! 
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Thanks Cris!!! (((hugs))) Does anyone know if this is good for Celiac or people with sugar problems? I doubt I have IBD....thanks again!!!!
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The website says that it is good for people with Celiac! Hope it provide you with some relief!
Christianne
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(((((((hugs))))))) You are the sweetest person--btw, no need to be sorry at all! When you're trying to help someone especially there's no need to apologize! I appreciate your help and suggestions more than you know.....thank you SOOOOOOO much!
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Ruchie
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Definitely no need to apologize! We do have IBD folks on the board and the info might help them. 
- Heather
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You are quite welcome! I appreciate all the advice that I have been given here as well. It is so nice to be able to communicate with people that share the some of the same ailments that I do. (((((Hugs Back))))) Feel better, dear!
Christianne
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Celiac?
#8972 - 05/13/03 12:18 PM
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Karin
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If you are truly Celiac, this would be a great diet to find out. If you "just" have IBS, your symptoms will probably not improve. Worth a though try, I did it!
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Karin,
Do you have Celiac or IBS? How did this help you figure it out? Thanks bunches!!!!!
(((hugs)))
Ruchie
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Re: Celiac?
#8980 - 05/13/03 12:46 PM
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Karin
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First I went on the SCD diet, thinking I could be celiac and figured if it was IBS, it could help that also. After my biopsy, which totally ruled out Celiac, the doctor told me it was "just" IBS. I was still having problems like spasms, D and urgency after being on the SCD diet for months (lost a ton of weight though...lol). But when I tried to get back on to some of the carbs, it just didn't agree with me. And going back on wheat just gave me headaches. So, I try to combine all the different things about all the different diets that agree with me. Luckily I have a great friend who's a fantastic cook that has been diagnosed Celiac. She supplies me with many great recipes that are wheat free and even adapts them to lower fat for me. Basically my diet follows Heather's book primarily, with a low carb twist, somewhat wheat free (I can tolerate some wheat), and honey or rice syrup substituted for sugar.
It's a chore, but it's clearly evident that it's working. Mother's day I deviated due to a brunch and I paid for it yesterday (green chili/jack cheese blintz....thought it was a tortilla/chili.....lol). If you're testing for Celiac, go on this diet, you'll find out quickly if it is what you need. I wouldn't rely on anything but a biopsy/endoscopy to rule OUT Celiac. The other tests are too fallible.
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Karin,
Thanks so much for all the info.! Wow, it sounds like you've had a long journey--I know the feeling! Were you always somewhat wheat intoleratn or do you find going GF made this happen? I hope you're doing great--thanks again for all the great info. and for sharing your story with me!!!
(((hugs)))
Ruchie
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Re: Celiac?
#8985 - 05/13/03 01:01 PM
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Karin
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After being on the diet for a few months, I realized by accident that I hadn't had any headaches during that time. Also, the intestinal gas totally stopped (a side benefit).
So......the moral of the story is that all of us have a long path of learning, each one different from the other. Different safe foods, different triggers. We all have to figure out our own specific diet that works specifically for us!!
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Cool story about this book:
I saw it on-line two days ago and just printed the info. on the web page (I've been printing tons of info. on Celiac) without realizing what the book was (and without any interest--I felt bad bringing up a new book to buy when I've bought books on IBS this year already!) Last night I was flipping through a book called Patient Heal Thyself and it mentioned this title in it. Then I came back to double check this title--and sure enough--they're the same! LOL Isn't it funny how life sends you little signs along the way.....
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Right! Things always work out for a reason!
-CHristianne
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The site is shut down, too bad
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Wow! They must have RECENTLY done that....I wonder why...oh well! Thanks!
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Try this link http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/
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Edited by Shell Marr (04/23/04 11:48 AM)
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