Asking All You Successful Salad Eaters Out There
#35940 - 01/08/04 01:26 PM
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Bevvy
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Okay, so I know you're supposed to have the "main meal" first, and the salad (insoluble fiber) last. What if the salad IS your main meal? (In fact, your ONLY meal?)
I can't eat big meals, my tummy just won't tolerate them. I eat about every 2 hours, but only little things -- like, for instance, just now I had one of our ADBs, that's it.
If I have a slice of French bread, that's all I have. So how can I work a salad into one of my little meals? Eat it after the slice of French bread? Oooh, that's too much food at one sitting!
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Bev 
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I honestly have no suggestions when it comes to this...but I worry that you aren't eating enough.
We will have an attack if we don't eat enough or we eat too little. And you are hardly eating anything...mind you you eat hardly anything every two hours but still that's scary.
Hopefully someone will be able to help you, honey!!
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Well, I have pretty small green salads, but I couldn't eat them alone as the whole meal - that would just kill me.
What if you incorporate salad elements into things like sandwiches? A bit of mesclun or lettuce, a thin slice of tomato and peeled cucumber, a bit of avocado smushed onto the bread, that type of thing.
I'd say just downsize your portions of everything so that you can have both soluble fiber and the salad together. This may mean teensy portions of both, but that's okay.
You may also want to make a bread salad - check EFI for a recipe. That will give you the bread and the veggies in one safe dish, and you can have whatever portion size is good for you.
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Bev, how big of a salad are we talking here? Personally, I haven't risked having any salad in a long time, even after soluble fiber. The raw lettuce just does a number on me. But maybe if you just have a couple pieces of lettuce it will fulfill your urge for a salad but not be enough to bother you. I certainly wouldn't have too much after just one piece of bread! Sorry I couldn't be more of a help, but I'm not a risk-taker by nature! 
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I have a pretty good size salad(as my main meal) about once a week. Sometimes it does give me some D, but since I'm mostly C, I don't mind! If your prone to D, you probably won't be able to get away with it!
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Sometimes I have a salad without lettuce - meaning I throw some tomatoes, cucumbers, and other fixings in a bowl with some fat-free italian dressing. Always after a meal full of soluble fiber, of course!
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#35955 - 01/08/04 01:56 PM
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Lana_Marie
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Is it ok that she is eating so little?
I truly don't mean to seem as though I am second guessing you...I am actually just curious because maybe I am being "Elle Pig-O" over here and want to know.
I have cut down my portions quite a bit...but definitely not to these amounts!
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I thought I had to have the soluble BEFORE the insoluble -- but not so? I can have it together? In other words, I should be able to have a salad with pasta (my soluble) in with the salad greens (insoluble), is that right?
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Not Eating Enough
#35964 - 01/08/04 02:10 PM
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Bevvy
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Lana Marie, you are a sweetheart! However, I assure you, my problem is definitely NOT an insufficient quantity of food! My doctor wants me to lose weight -- and I want to as well. I have to! When I turned 40, my metabolism came to a screeching halt. Now that I'm -- well, a lot older -- I just don't have any metabolism at all. If I inhale food, I gain the weight from it.
But I crave salads, and I used to make some pretty darn good ones. They were the "main" meal for us -- that's all we had -- salad, every night, salad. Broccoli Salad. Chinese Chicken Salad. Peas & Peanut Slaw. Great Stuff!
I'm determined to somehow find a way to fit even a teeny portion of my favorite salads back into my diet. Somehow.
And thanks again for your concern. 
Bev
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Yes, as long as there's more soluble in there. You want that as your foundation. It's helpful to just have a few bites of soluble fiber before you eat the rest of your meal. But you don't have to separate the fibers out and eat just soluble first, then insoluble. Something like pasta (soluble) with veggie sauce (insoluble) is fine, for example. Or cream of rice cereal (soluble) topped with a bit of fresh fruit (insoluble).
- H
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I understand that you wanna lose weight...trust me I am there. (Well, right now I can blame it on the baby LOL).
I have read though...that cutting your portions down so much so that you are barely eating anything (like in your case you are full off of one slice of french bread??) I have heard that this type of dieting is heading you straight for disaster because you get discouraged and then stop dieting causing the see-saw diet effect.
Also - with eating so little your body starts to store fat for energy rather than burning it because it's scared it won't get anything else soon enough.
I don't know if that makes sense...but honestly I just worry about you if you are using this as a diet...it doesn't sound healthy.
Please be careful and watch your weight and energy level etc....It may be the signs of a problem.
Take care of yourself!
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No, you're right, eating too little isn't good. I guess it depends on total daily food intake - if it's scattered over a lot of little snacks, that's okay, as long as the calorie and nutrient count for the whole day is high enough. One slice of French bread isn't much, even for just a snack, and certainly not for a full meal - though I guess it could depend on just how big that slice is.
Bev - what's your daily calorie count (estimate)?
- H
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You guys, thank you, but I assure you I am taking in enough calories. I could do well with NO calories! In fact, when I had my metabolism test done, the doctor looked at me in disbelief and said, "How'd you do that?" It registered NO metabolism! He shared the results with his colleagues, then said to me, "You'd do very well in a concentration camp!" He was being funny, but seriously told me that my body does not need calories AT ALL, and that I will always have a weight problem the rest of my life, no matter how much I exercise.
Not encouraging news, and especially at my age. All I can do is keep exercising, keep having little tiny meals, and listening to my doctor lecturing me each visit: "Calories in, calories out!" Groan.
Once I lost weight on Phen-Phen. In fact, I did quite well on it. I never ate -- I was never hungry -- but I lost 20 pounds, and my doctor was delighted. Then I discovered what disastrous stuff that Phen-Phen was, stopped taking it, and gained all the weight back -- and more!
No, I'm taking in PLENTY of calories. Frankly, although I want to lose the weight, right now my concern is getting my IBS under some form of control -- and that's what I told my doctor when he said, "you can gain weight on celery," and I said, "not me! I can't eat the stuff!" He was not amused. He said he'd never seen anyone with IBS as bad as mine. (I just figure he mustn't have very many cases then!)
Thanks guys for your concern. 
Bev
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Well, one thing that can help is gradually increasing your Acacia to the max dose. This will get you the soluble fiber you need without any calories at all.
- Heather
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Okay, that sounds like a good idea -- I've been on it for only 22 days; is it too soon to begin increasing my dosage? I tried to increase it last week but had a little problem with cramping, so I cut back again. ??
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Bev - are you measuring the dose with baking teaspoons/tablespoons? And are you using level instead of rounded teaspoons/tablespoons? You might actually be up to a pretty high dose already without realizing it.
I figured this out just recently when talking to a woman who said she was taking three teaspoons a day, and that had pretty much resolved all her symptoms. I thought that was interesting because that wouldn't be anywhere near a high dose (that would be more like 3 tablespoons a day). But - it turned out that she was using a teaspoon that you'd eat with, not a measuring teaspoon, and she was using a heaping teaspoon at that. So, she actually was taking about 3 whole tablespoons a day if you took an exact measurement.
Anyway, let me know what exact dose you're up to. You should be able to increase your current dose by a good teaspoon (baking teaspoon, level not rounded) a day since you've been on it for three weeks at this point.
Best,
Heather
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Found Out!
#36058 - 01/08/04 05:10 PM
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Bevvy
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Okay, ya got me. I was very strict with myself when I first got the acacia, measuring the stuff with a level measuring teaspoon, then I got lazy and started using a serving spoon, being careful that it was level, figuring it was close enough to the measuring spoon, and I was doing fine -- then my teaspoon gradually began to "grow", such that before I knew it, my measuring spoon was magically heaping full of the stuff. Ooops.  And then the cramps.
Then I read your post that you allude to here, and was surprised -- SOOOO I measured my "heaping" teaspoon, pouring it into measuring spoons. Turns out I'm now up to more than a teaspoon but less than a tablespoon, about a half tablespoon -- twice a day.
So I'd say I've increased my dosage by a teaspoon within a 3-week period. Sound good? 
Thanks, Heather!
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Well, how well I know what Bevrs is talking about…..personally………..and part of it is age. 
I'm not to terribly different than Bevrs, except that I've never had a metabolism test. (Wanna explain that Bevrs?) I just know that for me it is all about calories................so I count..........Oh, I don't ALWAYS add them up at the end of the day necessarily but I do keep track of the total calories each time I eat (give or take say 25) because I want to know a number of things: 1)Just how far I can with go on AMOUNT without triggering an attack, 2) How many calories I need a few hrs. before exercising so that I don't pass out, 3)What's the least amount of calories I can have (which could be considered a snack) to take the growls away, not to mention that funny little feeling like an attack is coming on from not eating or eating TO LITTLE...(Some of you know what I mean.) I feel like I'm eating all day, and am sure I look like a pig. For me, a snack is 100 to 150 calories, a meal 250 to 400 and anything more than that I'm usually in agony.
If you're good at just knowing how many calories are in say a piece of bread, or a plain potato or a carrot, or whatever, it is no problem for you...but if it is, one could carry around a little purse/pocket cal/fat foods lists booklet. I did that for counting fats when first diagnosed.
Hmmm, being somewhat like Bevrs, menopausal for one, and then also, for me, being hypothyroid (and with that the metabolism takes a dump) then I can tell you I can KEEP my weight where it is on
1,000 to 1,200 calories a day, and that's with one hr. of aerobics daily. To loose weight it would have to hover around 800 and that's pretty risky.....so I really don't care what I am right now as long as I feel good. My only gripe is that I WAS down, way down to my old high school weight when I got so sick with IBS, but when I found "THE BOOKS" (Heathers of course) and this site and all the good recipes................especially the Sharon Mello's brownies, I put on 12 lbs. just like that..........sigh Oh, and another thing, I really DO like plain rice………could eat 1 ½ to 2 cups just like that. Ever count the calories in THAT stuff?
Hope this helps for some of you that are at younger ages and normal metabolisms.............See what fun you have staring you in the face in later years.........Of course there's alway lipo and lifts and such, if that's what you're into 
Kandee
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And then there is me...............the MAXER!!!! (Well, maybe even over the max-- without a twinge.)
I can take 2 Tablespoons (each time), 3 times a day, no problems. I also take Konsyl just before I go to bed. With all that you'd think I'd become a D and not C but for me that's what I need to just stay a regular gal!!!!
Kandee
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For Krazee Kandee
#36063 - 01/08/04 05:40 PM
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Bevvy
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You asked about the metabolism test I had done.
Well, Dahling, you breathe into a huge tube that goes into a gigantic computer-like machine that "reads" your metabolism. Apparently it feels like scuba diving equipment (although I've never done scuba).
As I recall, the whole procedure takes about 15 minutes. When you're done, you're so happy to be able to breathe real air. The computer spits out sheets that the doctor reads and tells you what your metabolism is doing.
Mine WASN'T. 
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I love salads and I've stopped eating them, but I hope
that some day I'll be able to eat them again. The thing
I wanted to mention was that I found through trial
and error that the ONLY lettuce my stomach would tolerate
at all was Butter Lettuce. So if your eating some other
kind of lettuce give Butter lettuce a try and see if it
"softens the blow" a little. No pun intended!
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Thanks, Val -- I'll give it a try! And hey, if I had made a pun that great, I'd have played it up for all it was worth!
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HI BEVa; no ptotein with your bread, don't you make it into a sandwich? I only have just bread as a snack.
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Hi again bEV; I love wendy's salads they are delicious, but I guess they are a no-no as well. I suppoise I could have a bit of bread with it, but I would love a chicken salad on its own. Of couse, these days my stomach gets so full and tight these days that I light meal feels better.
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Bevrs; how about if you put a bit of lettuce,tomato,cucumber, onion..etc. on your slice of bread and have a salad sandwich. I do this sometimes with also tuna or chicken. Also I can eat tossed salad or caesar salad,small amount after my meal.Depending on how I'm feeling, I eat salad if I'm not feeling ok I stay away as I know it will make my D worse. On a good day I try and eat as much fruit and veggies as I possibly can for vitamin intake.
Also I was told the less you eat;as in people who skip meals (breakfast) the weight seems to stay on as your body is using your fat for fuel(something like that) if you eat which you do, try eating a cooked fruit or veggies instead of bread all the time. Sorry if you can not tolerate fruit & veggies. Just a suggestion!! I don't think I could survive on the amount you eat. I eat about 6 mini meals aday. ex: bagel/toast with peanut butter or oatmeal & orange juice; banana,sometimes a yogurt;vegtable soup/ & or sandwich/protein; fruit/muffin/or bar(nutrigrain,yes I can eat these) ; pasta/sauce or chicken/potatoes/cooked veggies, sometimes a salad. Fig newtons or few handful or Lay plain chips and red licorice. Lots of water and tea during the day. Hope this helps. TAke care Sue
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Thanks Sue!
#36214 - 01/09/04 09:51 AM
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Bevvy
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All good ideas here! Thanks!
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Re: Thanks Sue!
#36216 - 01/09/04 09:57 AM
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your welcome!
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This is off topic but hate to start a new thread
for such a small question.
Is canned fruit okay? I'm assuming its better than
fresh fruit. Am I wrong?
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I can tolerate canned fruit only in its own juice, not with added sugar or syrup!! Sue
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Watch out for fructose in tinned fruit in juice - might be a bit problematic for some. I seem to do best with fresh cooked fruit like apples and pears, and it doesn't take much preparation.
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I've been trying sandwiches with just a little bit of sliced tomato and cucumber and I seem to be ok with it. Too scared to try any more than that at the moment as I'm still not stable yet.
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I seem to do OK with canned fruit like peaches, or mandarin oranges (Fruit cups). Just small amounts.....
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i find that its only dark green veggies that make me..you know.. but i can tolerate iceberg lettuce i usually get that garden salad in a bag and also the hydroponic boston lettuce. that stuff is still living and lasts really long in the fridge unlike the regular stuff. i live alone so that is a good thing for me. hate having to throw stuff out.
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Canned Fruit
#36293 - 01/09/04 12:30 PM
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Bevvy
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Well, I can tolerate canned pineapple or canned peaches. But once I tried canned plums (my favorite) and almost blew myself up.
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Bevrs your so funny! ROFL....
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Yes packed in it's own juice is what I've been doing, or with fruit coctail after I take out the grapes it's in
light syrup. My favorite is pineapple and bannanas,
but I didn't think we were suppossed to have pineapple.
I try to eat it right after dinner on a soluble fiber
filled stomach.
val....
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I can't not eat iceberg lettuce at all and never have
been able to. Even people I know with really good
digestion don't seem to be able to tolerate it.
If you can tolerate it then more power to you!
You have my respect.
The other lettuce you mentioned I also buy but
it's butter lettuce. Maybe they just call it
something different in different parts of the
country. I love how it last such a long time.
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Hi Val, I remember you mentioning butter head lettuce before....and just wanted to let you know I appreciate the recommendation. I'm going to give it a try. The texture of the leaves sure feel different..that may be the key.
Kandee
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Hi bev; i would get a second opinion on that, I mean, how could your body NOT need calories?
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Bev,
I have that problem too. By the time I eat my soluble I am too full for the insoluble.
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must be called boston in canada and butter in the US. strange.
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It might be called Boston in Canada. It is also known as bibb in the U.S. Is there a bibb in Canada?
Kandee
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Quote:
It might be called Boston in Canada. It is also known as bibb in the U.S. Is there a bibb in Canada?
Kandee
not that i know of but doesn't mean that there isn't. i'm ony 23 so haven't been doing my own grocery shopping for that long..not familiar with everything available yet.
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For the most part, I can't tolerate conventional fruit or lettuce. It has to be organic. Secondly, I can't tolerate canned fruit or canned veggies or raw fruit or raw veggies.
However, I manage to put some fruit into my diet by using organic babyfood fruit sauce -- the kind you buy in small jars. I can eat various babyfood sauces -- pear sauce, apple/blueberry sauce, apple/banana, etc. -- all pureed with no additives.
I use the fruit sauce like a jam spread on my french bread or bagel for breakfast in the morning. That way I get my soluble fibre and sneak in some fruit at the same time. I don't eat fruit at any other meal other than breakfast.
I definitely can't tolerate fruit juices. Mainly I just drink non-carbonated bottled water or peppermint tea.
I haven't had salad in a long while. However, in the past I have successfully managed to sneak in a slice of organic lettuce in a plain sandwich with Rowe Farm (available at health food stores in the Greater Toronto Area) organic turkey slices.
I've also been known to cook lettuce. Lettuce tastes a lot like spinach when it's cooked and that's a treat since I can't tolerate spinach.
As for vegetables -- in general, I sneak them into my diet once a day for dinner. I cut up various combinations of baby-sized portions of organic zucchini (skin removed), organic sweet red pepper (skin removed), organic red chard (well washed), one small bite-sized piece of organic brocolli, organic celery (outer skin peeled), organic carrots (skin peeled) and organic squash (peeled and chopped). I often bake the vegetables in the oven, along with some organic potatoes, and rarely do they bother me.
The trick is to not eat too much or too many of the vegetables -- but just enough to get some nutrition and variety in my diet. I don't have vegetables at any other meal except for dinner.
By the way, I did an experiment one day and I cooked conventional vegetables instead of organic ones. I became incredibly ill afterwards. Heather recommends organic for IBS people and I know from my own experience it is the better choice (even if it is, unfortunately, the more expensive one).
Belinda
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