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Re: I agree with Zara-nt new
      #359204 - 06/10/10 11:32 AM
Jenny B

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All of us in the IBS community have different bodies, different digestive systems, and different mindsets. So although I agree with most of the IBS diet, I have taken the liberty to eat organic yogurt and organic cheese, mostly because I was tired of eating soy cheese and I can't stand soy yogurt!

For yogurt I eat Stonyfield Farms, they have lots of variety, as well as frozen yogurt, and all include a healthy dose of probiotics. I do eat non-fat and low-fat yogurt and frozen yogurt. And for cheeses I stick to hard cheese with low lactose such as parmesan, cheddar, swiss.

I know that many people do not think eating dairy is safe, but I say just try a little at a time and see what happens. You never know until you try! As for milk, I drink almond milk and it is wonderful.


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Soy does not cause infertility or hormonal problems. The healthiest new
      #359207 - 06/10/10 01:31 PM
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and longest lived people in the world (also those with the lowest rates of reproductive cancers) have the highest soy intake in the world. They live in Okinawa, Japan.

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Re: Soy does not cause infertility or hormonal problems. The healthiest new
      #359208 - 06/10/10 02:29 PM
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Have you seen the great on-line information on the Okinawa Centenarian Study? It appears that there are many factors including genetics and activity as well as diet that contribute to their longevity.

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Agreed. I'm just trying to shut down an off the rails comment new
      #359209 - 06/10/10 02:54 PM
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and also something totally off topic spiraling on the boards.

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Re: Soy does not cause infertility or hormonal problems. The healthiest new
      #359210 - 06/10/10 03:20 PM
Allisonmary

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Hi Heather, Then why does my Eastern Nutrition Teacher with a Doctorate in Nutrition show us all sorts of studies about the dangers of soy tell us the opposite!!? I'm not saying at all that you are wrong and he is right but how do we ever know what to believe, it's very frustrating!! I hope you are right because I eat quite a bit of soy lechitin. So the research on the subject shows soy is safe?

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Re: Soy does not cause infertility or hormonal problems. The healthiest new
      #359214 - 06/10/10 03:58 PM
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Hi - I've no idea why he would say that. The broadest scale studies of diets around the world show that populations with high soy intake (primarily these are people in Asia) have health benefits from this, not health risks.

Soy is a bean, a plant food, and one of the foods with the longest histories of human cultivation and consumption.

I rely on sources such as The China Study (T. Colin Campbell) and the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (http://pcrm.org - and you can actually search their site for studies on soy). I'd ask your doc point blank what he thinks of info from these sources, and where he's getting his conflicting info.

I'm not the authority on soy, I just don't like a lot of the really crazy and scary misinformation I see out there. If there is legit info that overrides the heavy hitting studies in favor of soy, I'd certainly take a look.

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Heather-China Study new
      #359217 - 06/10/10 05:24 PM
Gerikat

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I read The China Study which REALLY makes me steer clear of dairy milk, IBS or not, and stick with rice milk.

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Re: Soy does not cause infertility or hormonal problems. The healthiest new
      #359218 - 06/10/10 05:32 PM
Allisonmary

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Ok thanks I will show him and ask him.There is so much contradictory things about soy. (Its the unfermented soy that he is talking about). He told us that Asians eat 10 x less soy then we do as Americans and he actually says it was not meant to be eaten. He lived in Japan for a few years. Here is a website of myths and truths that also says that(who knows what to believe anymore tho) But it does go along with what my teacher said. He also has his own clinic and he swears that patients who come in complaining of thryroid, digestive, and infertility problems, if they are on high soy diets, he takes them off the soy completely and they become much better. He says that a little bit of soy may be ok especially if you don't have those symptoms..but you should listen to your body and if you are having any of those symptoms that may be a clue that you are eating too much unfermented soy.
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/basics/soy.htm

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Re: Soy does not cause infertility or hormonal problems. The healthiest new
      #359219 - 06/10/10 06:11 PM
kim123

Reged: 07/18/06
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Loc: Florida

article on soy outlining intake in Japan, as well.

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

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that is all BS! new
      #359220 - 06/10/10 06:56 PM
Little Minnie

Reged: 04/16/04
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It reminds me of the truth about HFCS website that defends HFCS with half-truths and misleading information.

It is true that too much estrogen causes health problems. and it is true that soy contains a form of estrogen. BUT the form of estrogen in soy actually reduces the extra estrogen in the body due to being a different kind. Soy is very healthy for women and menopausal woman too!
As almost a vegan, I hear all that crap about the quality of protein in non-meat diets and the lack of B 12 in non-meat diets. That is BS too! Vegans do not lack B 12 since it is in other foods besides meat and the proteins in a good quality mixed food vegan diet are just as healthy as the proteins in meat. In fact a high soy vegan diet again and again proves the healthiest of all!

And I would like to see these studies about soy causing infertility in animals! Sure any GMO food is being shown to cause infertility and health problems but not regular non-GMO soy. What a ridiculous claim!

Also soy is a meat sub in the orient; I do not agree with that assertion. They eat very little meat in the traditional Asian diet. It is the westernization of Asia that has led to a change in diet and increase in health problems there.
To sum up: this website has pissed me off as bad as that Nina Planck and her claims to lard, bacon, butter and cream being healthy.

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