Probiotic Yogurt Helps Reduce Physical Bloating 12/16/08 11:40 AM
#339566 - 12/18/08 07:44 AM
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Heather posted this article in the "IBS Research Library" on 12/16. Has anyone tried with any success???
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I just read the article. I have not tried it, but I think it would be a good idea to start trying it. It does say it may take a few weeks to "kick in" but if it helps, why not try it? Take it for a test drive. 
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A conundrum
#339569 - 12/18/08 08:40 AM
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Syl
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The probiotic used in the fermented milk (Activia) yogurt was Bifidobacterium lactis. And the study was done by Whorwell's group in the UK - one of the world's leading research and treatment centers for IBS. The findings reported in this study are consistent with a recently published review on probiotic efficacy which showed that Bifidobacterium species are beneficial for IBS management - in particular the control of gas, bloating and distension (reference below).
The difficulty we have with discussing how beneficial we find yogurt is that it is a dairy product. Heather's posting yesterday indicated she can't allow discussions about dairy. This is a conundrum 
Reference
R. Spiller, 2008: Review article: probiotics and prebiotics in irritable bowel syndrome. Alimentary Pharmacology & Therapeutics, 28, 385-396.
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Whether it's dairy or not, probiotics are good for you. Even with IBS. I take a supplement every day and have found that The L.Acidopholus probiotic helps some to restore the natural Flora of the gut. Actually, my GI doctor told me not to eat dairy EXCEPT Activia. How weird is that? Maybe it is a conundrum, but Heather obviously knows what she is talking about. In my opinion, the dairy she is referring to is MILK and MILK CHEESES and WHOLE EGGS, etc.
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My girlfriend tried the activa for two weeks to help with her gas and bloating and boy does she has gas and bloating!!!
She said it really does work but takes two weeks to show any benefit.For me I take acidophilous pills instead,Ithought I was lactose intolerant for so many years only to discover it was really IBS.
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The difficulty we have with discussing how we beneficial we find yogurt is that it is a dairy product. Heather's posting yesterday indicated she can't allow discussions about dairy. This is a conundrum
I found this article through another source this morning, and posted a question about it (for the very same reason Syl mentions) on a different discussion board. I am also confused now – are we not allowed to discuss this study here? I also wanted to know if someone's tried it and whether or not it was effective; at the same time, I did not want to break the board's rules so I went elsewhere.
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#339615 - 12/18/08 04:41 PM
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When I mentioned to my GI doctor that the commercials for Activia bothered me he was completely in agreement and 100% against getting probiotics by consuming dairy. Taking probiotics without dairy is easy and the only way to go! For those without IBS and have no sensitivity to dairy I suppose they might as well eat Activia but it is like taking a little medicine in a glass of poison to IBS sufferers!
If the average person just increased their fiber intake they wouldn't need Activia. I see people at my work (grocery store) that buy total junk food (pizza rolls, pop, chips, hamburger helper, mac n cheese) and then throw in a few cups of Activia!!! It is ridiculous. Everyone wants the easy way out of everything instead of eating healthy.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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#339618 - 12/18/08 05:28 PM
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Little Minnie
The study was not done by Danone. It was done by an independent internationally recognized IBS research group.
The senior author of the Activia study did the original ground breaking research on soluble fiber, gut directed hypnotherapy and the Align probiotic that many on this board benefit from today. He is the director of one of the world's leading IBS treatment and research center in the UK. The study concluded "This is the first study to demonstrate that a probiotic [Bifidobacterium lactis in fermented milk] preparation can reduce objectively measured distension in female patients with IBS-C. It also supports the concept that accelerating gastrointestinal transit might be a good target for future therapeutic approaches aimed at improving distension in IBS."
With the credentials and track record these researcher have their claims that Activia works helps some IBS suffers manage their symptoms will be paid attention to by many people. Sorry to see you dismissing it without consideration for how it might benefit some of your fellow IBS suffers.
Yet again we are going to have to agree to disagree
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#339621 - 12/18/08 06:50 PM
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I read this and also wanted to ask if anyone tried it and if it helped with IBS D or A, i use to eat activia all the time before starting the diet and never linked it to any of my attacks but quit taking it to follow the diet... but i would love to take it again... again i wasn't sure if i could ask this as again this is a dairy question...
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#339631 - 12/18/08 09:22 PM
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Dragonfly...interesting about your friend. I tried it before but only for a few days so I wonder if really sticking to it for two weeks would help...I might give it another shot - sometime .
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ok why cant we discuss dairy i dont get it we are meant to be helping each other
ok so i guess i should try activia yogurt cos i am with the team that say active yogurts help i pray it helps my bloating and consaption 
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My girlfriend hasn't been diagnosed with IBS but she does suffer from constipation gas and bloating.In a severe way so I think she probably has IBSC . She finds relief when she eats beans everyday too but her husband told her to stop or he would divorce her. 
She stressed that she did it for two weeks to feel better and when she started to miss a few days, the bloating came back.
Since we can't say the "d" word I'll try not to but for me I can't do soy at all(my biggest trigger!!) and "d" products don't bother me. I LOVE activa and would rather eat that than pop a pill everyday!
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Edited by dragonfly (12/19/08 05:22 AM)
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Dragonfly, thanks for the info about your friend! I think it's interesting that the bloating came back after she started missing days. When I was doing some research on probiotics last year (wanted to know which ones to order) I learned that even if we replenish the bacteria, they're not in our colon to stay and we need to keep supplying it, otherwise they just die off. So I guess that's when the problems are back.
I actually just got a new bottle of probiotics so I'm going to see how that works out. It's just a blend of lactobacilli and bifidobacteria. I used to love activia, too. I actually miss all yogurt. I don't do well with soy products either (and even if I did I don't like the taste). I agree that having to eat activia every day would be a small price to pay for the bloating to go away. I would eat grass if that was the cure, lol !
That's funny about the beans. Yeah, they do have that effect . I can't risk anything like that since I work in an office environment .
My plan for now is to survive the holidays the best I can, and then I'll decide if I want to try it out or not.
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Since it is directly against board rules to say it is ok to eat dairy I do not need to defend myself! A limited study looking only at distension for a limited time does not prove that eating dairy will not bother the digestion of someone with IBS for the long term.* It is infinitely better to get probiotics from a safe source. No doubt Activia must taste great but it is irresponsible to cite this study as gospel when Heather's plan of avoiding dairy has proven beneficial in the long term for so many with IBS.
Furthermore I will not agree to disagree. I feel very strongly and will not change my mind that more good would come to the posters here to base your philosophies on the HFI plan. Since you have started posting all the stable and very helpful posters have left. No one is bringing people back to the basics of the HFI plan. I think it is a shame.
*We have to take new studies like this with a grain of salt. Much of the time, according to my GI doc (a very renowned specialist) people will have some initial benefit to a change in diet but it isn't sustained. Many times people will feel better on a low carb diet for a few weeks but then crash hard. Changing eating or adding some new thing may seem to help for a while, but it is often ephemeral. Whereas using a proven program like Heather's will be lastingly beneficial.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Hey guys! Don't argue!!! That's not very nice. You both have different opinions on Activia, which is obvious. But this is nothing to argue about! Can't we all just get along. That's one of Heather's guidelines. This is not a debate forum. Please stop arguing. 
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Good idea!
#339668 - 12/19/08 12:32 PM
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BTW - I don't have any opinion on Activia or any dairy. I don't eat it myself. I don't encourage its consumption.
I do respect good IBS researchers and their opinions. I am willing to carefully consider what they have to say and let other knows about it so they can consider it too.
Thank you for your input
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I don't eat it either. It scares me. I don't even like to go close to cows anymore! Hahahahaha
And research is, basically, all we have to go on! Thank you Syl!
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without the dairy base. That would be quite interesting.
In the meantime, I'd prefer to get probiotics without the dairy so I know I'm getting the good without taking a chance on the bad.
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What I do not understand here is the very fact that everyone is different.Not everyone eats the same to get stable.
The EFI was a life saver for me.I recommend it to everyone I can.I even explained it to my doctor who thought it was very interesting.It was the only thing that stablized me when my gut was out of control. I return to it when feeling poopy.
The thing is even though mentioning dairy is against the rules, some ibsers can handle it.So why can't we tell others that yes I can but maybe you can't.
Is this web site only here to help people ONLY if they follow Heathers advice? I was under the impression, correct me if I am wrong, that Heather started this site to help other people with IbS. I didn't realize that we were only allowed on if we were vegan.
I can't do any soy product.I can do dairy product.I am not the only one.But because that is how MY ibs works I can't tell anyone?
If we also can't talk about meat then why are there recipes on this site that include meat?
I have found some really great advice on here and have met people I really like and I respect their opinions.If I can no longer get help for all my IBS concerns, then where do I go.If topics are being censored here then I prefer to go elsewhere.
That saddens me because I have found great help by following Heathers diet guidelines and if I can no longer discuss all the aspects of my IBS then I don't think I want to be here anymore.I cetainly won't reccomend this site for others anymore.
If my opinion means nothing to you then don't read my posts.Don't respond if you don't want to.But DON"T tell me I am wrong when I relate MY experiences.
IBS is so different to each of us and we all find relief in different ways. That doesn't mean that because I choose to eat off the diet that I am cheating.It simply means that my body has its on unique triggers.
Please feel free to let me know if my post is inappropriate
By the way, Syl , I find your advice and help very amazing.You seem to have a good grasp of what IBS is and how to handle it.I don't believe all the "good posters" have left, I believe all the people that have stablized have left.
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Edited by dragonfly (12/19/08 02:29 PM)
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An interesting thing about this study is that individuals with allergy or hypersensitivity to milk proteins were excluded from the study. The control group was given a milk with lactose and the study group yogurt with probiotic. One might expect the control group to show a statistical worsening of symptoms from baseline if there was a milk effect. They didn't. Go figure
As you said - hopefully some day they will do a robust study that rigorously controls for dairy. It is badly needed
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am so sad why is there lots of fighting on here we are all helping each other and i think that we should be able to say and talk about what we find helps and what dont i no we are all different because i no that i can have bran at time at other times it kills me please no one leave this site am alone as it is i have just found really nice friends
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Is this web site only here to help people ONLY if they follow Heathers advice? I was under the impression, correct me if I am wrong, that Heather started this site to help other people with IbS. I didn't realize that we were only allowed on if we were vegan.
I think your comments are actually vindictive. No one has ever said that Heather's diet doesn't allow the eating of meat or that the recommendation to avoid dairy is proposing veganism. The simple facts about dairy are on the information pages on this site. We used to say a lot more about eating a little of the trigger foods and how to do so safely. The problem is that in the last year so many people here aren't really following the basic diet. I believe (but don't speak for!) that is what Heather is talking about in her post about getting back to the guidelines. She specifically says the boards are for those following or trying to follow the HFI diet. That should be clear.
Not eating dairy doesn't mean not eating animal products, nor does it mean you have to eat soy, nor does it mean you are some crazy anti-farmer, tree hugger that eats wheat grass and tempeh all day. Dairy is simply one of the hugest triggers to IBS and by avoiding one has the best chance of getting stable. I assume that once we all get the idea of that and help newbies do so, we can resume recommending the safest ways to cheat when stable and what works for each person. Most of the posters on the board right now (or those that post the most) are far from stable. It is irresponsible to put the idea in their head that they don't have to give up or lessen dairy. It is hard to make the change to an IBS safe diet and the focus should be on helping people do so, in my opinion.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Whats tempeh?
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My apologies
#339683 - 12/19/08 03:26 PM
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if my posts upset you.
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Re: No No No
#339685 - 12/19/08 03:55 PM
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Sounds like people are taking this very personally. 
We're here to help each other out. I haven't found any of the posts to be pro-dairy or pro-meat or offensive or vindictive.
As a new person to the site and diet, it has been VERY helpful to read everyone's posts/experiences with all suggestions.
I agree with dragonfly, everyone's IBS is different. We all have different triggers. I do find that most posts encourage me to stick with the diet. I also realize that those that do talk about foods that are not within guidelines are for those that have stabalized. So I'm not totally clear on why dairy and meat can't be discussed, but it is what it is. Is there another area where it can be discussed? Or not at all on this site?
It's up to me to do what's best for my IBS. I feel I'm educated and can make some good decisions. I have read Heather's site with all the background information. I'm reading her book right now as well. I'm starting the hypno CDS too If I try to cheat and it doesn't work, I've learned a lesson and try to avoid it in the future.
I have found Syl's posts to be very helpful and objective (sharing research and what has worked for him).
I also appreciate everyone else who has posted!
Hope we can keep helping each other!
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not to urge people to be vegan.
This particular board, the Eating for IBS diet board, IS limited to dietary discussions that follow the rules of the diet.
I realize that everyone is different, people will cheat, and some people will tolerate cheating to some degree. But the point of board is to get people stable, and no one can do that if they don't start by avoiding all the potential triggers to get a baseline. Cheating negates that very opportunity.
There are NO recipes on this site that include red meat. That would never be allowed.
This board can be a great way for someone who is stable to learn how to expand their options, and for people who are exceptions to the rule to learn from each other. But again, that is assuming a baseline of stability, and no one will get there if they try run before they can walk.
I love your posts, and Syl's, and Little Minnie's, but because the boards seem to spiraling a bit out of control around this issue I am going to continue to lock posts that veer off topic, even if they are interesting or have other merits.
Things will just have to be a bit black and white on the board for a while before we can get back to having shades of gray.
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