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#234899 - 12/31/05 06:45 PM
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I'm looking for store bought chicken gravy,any ideas?
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Re: safe gravy
#234917 - 12/31/05 08:42 PM
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Snorkie
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Franco-American Classic chicken gravy works for me. It's 99% FF
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thank you..for some reason I thought gravy would have dairy
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...then all the gravy mixes in the grocery store are off limits because they contain wheat.
I'm not sure why you are following a GF diet, or how strict, but thought I'd let you know.
BTW, why are you following a GF diet? I'm curious for my own situation!
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I was following a GF Diet for 5 weeks,but did not feel any better. I've been sick for years[severe stomach pain] and have had every test for my belly,having another Cat scan this week,the 2d in a year. My Dr still thinks its one of the worst cases of IBS he's ever seen. he told me to try gluten again,give the IBS diet a try and use lactose pills if I have dairy. I'm finding this diet difficult, and a bit confusing be honest if its so great why are so many members here still having pain etc? why is anyone having trouble with their weight? this is all low fat, I'm underweight and need to gain some. I hope you don't think I'm being rude,thats not my intention at all..just looking for help and support.
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No worries!
#234952 - 01/01/06 09:05 AM
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I didn't think your post was rude at all, silly! I have the same questions, doubts, and I'm very symptomatic still, just like you...and for a very long time!
I'm underwieght too and finding it hard to gain weight being on the IBS diet and also wheat free. I'm right there with ya!
Please continue to post any questions you have and don't worry about offending anyone with your question. They make sense to me. A lot of folks have left the board because they were not getting better. For me, I can't give up on it yet. I just wish I knew about what to do about the gluten dilemma. Did you have antibodies for gluten, or was eating Gf just an experiment for you?
How's the Acacia working for you?
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no, thats one test I didn't have. I was just desperate for any relief..everytime my Dr or my Gastro said It's IBS I thought they're nuts,even said there is no way IBS can cause this much pain. I've had many days/nights on the floor crying my eyes out wishing I would die. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your kindness,thought I was going to get slammed lol I try not too ask too many questions,i don't think it goes over that well,many ppl here have been quiet helpful,but I do get the feeling this is a tight knit group of regulars who come here to chat and check in each day with their friends. I would love to see heather post.
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forget to add..my dr did the blood test last thursday,but I'm sure it will be negative as I had no gluten in my system. thanks again for your kindness betty
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#234998 - 01/01/06 12:11 PM
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Augie
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..if youu have the blood test while you're already eating GF, it should come back negative even if you have antibodies to gluten because you currently have no gluten in your systme.
Wonder why the doctor even bothered.
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I was just desperate for any relief..everytime my Dr or my Gastro said It's IBS I thought they're nuts,even said there is no way IBS can cause this much pain. I've had many days/nights on the floor crying my eyes out wishing I would die.
I feel the same way! I wish Heather had more time to post too.
Is the Acacia helping you at all? Has any SFS helped you? How about magnesium? Has the doctor talked to you about Miralax yet?
I assume you are eating wheat again, right? Do you feel any difference between not eating it and eating it?
-------------------- ~ Beth
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I'm finding this diet difficult, and a bit confusing be honest if its so great why are so many members here still having pain etc? why is anyone having trouble with their weight? this is all low fat, I'm underweight and need to gain some.
I hope you don't think I'm being rude,thats not my intention at all..just looking for help and support.
People still having problems seems to be a theme today - I just posted in a thread about doing everything right but still having problems. I think Linz did a great job of addressing your question about people on the Board still having problems in an earlier post. All I would say in addition is that nothing I know of actually cures IBS, so you're looking for the best possible control over your symptoms. Heather's approach is one that a lot of people have found helpful and some have not. You won't know if it will work for you until you give it a full-out try.
As for why people are having trouble with their weight - I assume you mean being overweight - I can't speak for anyone else, but for me the answer is one simple word: sugar. I just love the stuff and it's completely IBS-safe. Add to that the fact that it's possible to make it into IBS-safe chocolate desserts and I'm pretty much sunk. Sigh.
If you're looking to add weight, try cruising the dessert section of the Diet Board. ADBs in particular are very tummy friendly, marvelously delicious, and dangerously easy to make.
HTH.
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I went to the store today and saw some Cambells instant gravy and it did contain dairy.
-------------------- ~ Beth
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I'm sure the CD test will come back neg. as I have had no gluten for about 4 weeks. this morning I had a mushed potato with a mushed carrot,for lunch the chicken stew posted here on this site..now my belly is killing me,tons of gas and bloating. I'm wondering if it was all the onion in the recipe even though it was cooked. thank you all
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A lot of folks have left the board because they were not getting better.
I missed this - I assume it was while I was away in November. What happened?
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I can't tell you how much I appreciate your kindness,thought I was going to get slammed lol I try not too ask too many questions,i don't think it goes over that well,many ppl here have been quiet helpful,but I do get the feeling this is a tight knit group of regulars who come here to chat and check in each day with their friends. I would love to see heather post.
The Living Room Board is where people go to chat and check in with each other on non-IBS subjects. It keeps the non-IBS stuff off the other, more technical Boards. I don't know if I'd call it a tight-knit group. There are people who've been on the Boards together since Moses was a pup and naturally some have become good friends, but anyone can post over there and people float in and out all the time.
The Diet Board and the Recipe Board are more technical and they're mostly business. Everyone who posts here tries to be helpful, as I think you've already found out. I think of these two Boards as being like working in an office and The Living Room as the local bar where everyone goes after work.
I don't know much about the other Boards, although I do pop my head into the hypno Board from time to time. It's always so soothing and peaceful over there.
As for asking questions, that's what the Boards are here for, but there are two things you can do to make the process go more smoothly. First, read the sticky posts at the top of the Diet Board. They have lots of useful information, including telling you how to Search for stuff. It's astonishing how much has already been covered in earlier posts. My very first post was a question about cornmeal - it never occurred to me something like that would already have been talked about but once someone suggested I do a Search, there it was.
Second, please do be sure you've read the pre-requisites Heather has laid out, so you understand the principles of Heather's Diet and aren't asking really basic questions. The classic one is "Can I eat cheese?" That really makes people crazy. We'll all start jumping up and down frothing at the mouth and screaming, "Dairy, dairy, dairy". It can be quite amusing on a slow Board day.
Oh, and people on the Diet Board don't slam. The worst you'll ever get is a "please don't do that" and even that's pretty darn rare.
HTH.
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Yes, please elaborate on people leaving the boards. Is this a fact - are there really "a lot" of folks leaving because they can't get better? I assumed people leave because they're stable. At least, I've been here less because I'm stable and have been busy catching up on things my IBS (pre-EFI) was preventing me from doing.
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Hi Betty, You are certainly not alone! Many of us have been on the floor in severe pain. A month ago I was on the bath- room floor with bad IBS cramping pain having just had a stroke. My left side was paralyzed, and I of course just felt like I wanted to die. Then I thought to myself, I am NOT going to give in to this damned cursed IBS, and with my right arm pulled myself to the door, got it open, and got help in time. The key here is Will, you have to have the will to NEVER give up fighting this disease. There are still lots of possibilities you can try, the pyschological ones like hypno and meditation could help you immensely. You never know till you try. Don't be afraid of trying new things. At the hospital, I ate lots of stuff(especially desserts) with dairy in them, and had no bad ill effects. Additionally, I managed to gain 13 lbs.(I've been under- weight too).Also, Sand's and Linz's posts give very good advice too. Furthermore, don't be afraid to ask any quest- ion. We're all here to help each other! The road to stable- ization is not an easy one, but keep your will up and you'll make it. Have faith, hang in there! -Bob
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I don't want to cause a problem here. Sorry.
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It's intersting that they were C as it seems that C's are the ones who are misdiagnosed with IBS most often. Also, it just takes longer for C's.
IMHO, if you haven't given it a year or two of doing the diet 100% (and that includes plenty of SAFE IF and a varied diet and a SFS and teas, etc, etc) then you haven't given it a chance.
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I don't feel comfortable naming names of the people who have decided to leave because they gave up on the diet. Both because of confidentiality and also, I'm not sure it would be appropriate to talk about that since this is Heathers diet and I don't want to discourage anyone from trying it since it has helped so many other.
But I can tell you that off hand I personally have gotten or have emailed at least 9 people that I can think of offhand that have told me they left because they didn't believe the diet was working for them....so they chose another method. Some have emailed me to encourage me to do the same...others I emailed to check up on them because they disappeared and I was worried about them. Incidently, all of them have been C except for one and all of them have told me they are doing better off the diet.
Obviously, I have chosen to stick around because I hope that one day the diet will work for me. I am still hoping that this diet will work since it has worked for other C folks like Bamagrl and Astrochick, for example.
Sorry, but I just don't feel comfortable betraying their trust. If they decide to come back, then they can explain. Sorry. I probably shouldn't have even brought it up.
-------------------- ~ Beth
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I'm so sorry, but I WASN'T asking you to name names! I'm sorry if my reply came across like that. I would never ask for anyone to do anything like that because I know it's none of my business. I'm definitely not into gossiping.
I just meant I wasn't aware of this happening and was interested in knowing the numbers (over 7000 people are registered on the boards but a small percentage of those folks actually post regularly). I'm sorry these fellow IBSers who left didn't find any relief through the EFI diet. I only wish the best for anyone with IBS who's still struggling with their symptoms.
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Sometimes people want a quick fix and will only give a treatment a few months. Another thing might be that they don't want to give up the eating habits they had before. I believe people on this diet can incorporate other treatments or methods and perhaps slightly modify the diet. For example I wouldn't eat a lot of the starchy carbs on this diet because I have a problem with Candidas and starchy carbs only feed the yeast.
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I thought you guys wanted me to give names. Sorry about my confusion. I know you are not a gossiper and that you only want the best for everyone!
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#235152 - 01/02/06 10:17 AM
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Nope, I didn't want that either. I misunderstood - I didn't realize the people leaving happened over some period of time. I guess I was envisioning a group of people leaving to start their own Yahoo group or something. I'm sorry for the confusion.
I, too, am sorry some people don't benefit from Heather's diet, but it sounds like the people you're in touch with have found other approaches that work for them and that's certainly good news.
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Why Folks Leave
#235181 - 01/02/06 11:29 AM
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I've been on the Boards for several years now and I've seen a LOT come and go. Looking back, it seems that most of them have left because they're dealing with other ailments that have "taken over." LauraSue, for instance, had fibro so badly she went to a fibro board for support. Another gal is still "here," but seems to hang around one of our other boards. Other gals I've corresponded with have left because they got better and moved on. One gal I miss something awful, but she's into other things that seem to have gotten her mind off her pain; it's a good thing, so I'm happy for her.
Yes, folks do leave when they get better, it's true. This is a much different group than was here when I first came on Board; I can count on only one hand the number of folks who were here then. And so it goes.....
Bev
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Sand, From what I have observed the nicest and most helpful people have stayed, and that's what really matters! I once checked out one of those boards that Cyndy mentioned, and it had quite a few vicsous exchanges in it. I'm glad I'm here! -Bob
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That would mean I have another 7 months to go or so.
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Who's Counting?
#235222 - 01/02/06 03:16 PM
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Beth, are you actually counting the months until you can go off the diet? Am I understanding you right? I think it would work better for you if you thought more POSITIVELY about it. I mean, if you're telling your subconscious, "just put up with this for 7 more months," I don't think the program's gonna work for you at all. How can it?
When I finally accepted my diagnosis (and it took a lot to get me there!), I went into the diet with the resolution that it was the way I would have to eat for life. I wanted RELIEF, and I believed the diet was the only way to get it.
I stuck with it for 3 years and IT WORKED FOR ME. Once I got stable, and got rid of the stress in my life, I very pleasantly discovered I could eat things once more than I hadn't been able to for a very long time.
PLEASE try to approach this with a positive attitude. Tell your subconscious that this is the way you're gonna eat SO THAT YOU WILL GET BETTER. If your subconscious gets the message, guess what happens....
{{{{Hugs}}}}
Bevvy
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I just remembered Bev told me it took her three years! I guess it's hard to know when to hold on and when to look for something else and come to the conclusion that this just isn't working. How does one know?
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I just figured out the months now, Bev. I remember I started it in October of 2004, so I just counted the months. And once the time is up, I don't plan on going off the diet if it's working! Or maybe even if it isn't. Maybe I'll know when it's time and that may be never. I just don't know yet.
What you said makes sense though. I'll try to be more positive and believe in it...but it's hard to make your brain change it's natural tendencies.
-------------------- ~ Beth
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Plus remember that what with the GF thingy and everything you've had alot of times where you haven't been eating a full diet.
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thank you all very much for the help and kindness. I was up all night in pain,the lower belly..its been about 18 hours and I'm still hurting,can't figure out what set me off
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I've been reading everything I can online about IBS, I have no life lol anyway,came across another site,can't remember which but ppl were talking about this diet and how it doesn't work,how its just for heather to line her pockets..make as much as she can off sick ppl. there were some ppl who said they got good results,following here basic ideas then adapting the diet to what works for them,eating red meat,dairy etc. I'm going to cont. to give it a try,I want the pain to stop.
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I've been reading everything I can online about IBS, I have no life lol anyway,came across another site,can't remember which but ppl were talking about this diet and how it doesn't work,how its just for heather to line her pockets..make as much as she can off sick ppl.
We talked about this when you were posting back in the Spring and all I can say now is what I said then: the argument that Heather's diet is just for her to make money off sick people simply doesn't make sense. Everything you need to know about Heather's diet is provided for free on this site. Following Heather's diet doesn't require you to buy a single thing from her. Yes, Heather sells products, but she doesn't force you to buy them before she'll graciously, generously, freely, and compassionately share what she's learned about managing IBS. And personally I'm glad Heather can make money by selling IBS products because I shudder to think how much it costs her to keep this Website running. The storage costs on all the Board posts alone must be amazing.
This complete lack of logic really makes me mad, especially when I think about the other "help" for IBS sites I've seen that want money up front before sharing the "secret" of curing IBS.
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Anyone who seriously thinks Heather is doing this just to "line her pockets" is full of sh*t. Yes, she sells products, but you don't have to buy them. There are plenty of us who don't - myself included. Everything you need to know about how to deal with IBS, including how to get a proper diagnosis in the first place, is provided for free right here on this website, out of the goodness of her heart and her desire to help other people who are/were in the same boat she is.
With the cost of running this site alone, with the traffic it generates and bandwidth it must pull, I'm surprised she's not operating at a LOSS. I'd love to know what level of unreality you have to be living in to call any of this "lining pockets". Idiots.
As for the diet working or not, it DOES, for a lot of people. Before I found this site and put the diet to work for me, I was a step away from being hospitalized for such severe IBS that I was malnourished, underweight and anorexic, scared to death to eat & afraid to even leave the house. Heather and this diet gave me my life back. Period. Disbelievers can put *that* in their pipe and smoke it!
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as I said it is just what I have read,good and bad. we are all different,what works for some does not work for others. just being able to help each other is a good thing.
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as I said it is just what I have read,good and bad. we are all different,what works for some does not work for others. just being able to help each other is a good thing.
I agree that we are all different and I understand that Heather's approach may not be the right one for everyone with IBS. However, there's a huge difference between saying "Heather's diet doesn't work for me" and "Heather's diet is just a scam".
I know Heather's diet works for me, so I can just dismiss anyone who says it's a bunch of malarkey. The really sad thing about people bad-mouthing Heather's approach is that they're scaring away people with IBS who could benefit from what she has to say.
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Betty, Just to add to what Sand said. By what you've said, I know the website you're talking about. Awhile back some of them tried to invade here but were fortunately exposed and withdrew. They are just a bunch of flaming you know whats that like to rip each other to shreds. Pay no heed to them. -Bob
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I read a few posts then went on my merry way. I think we're all just looking for the same thing...relief
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Before I found this website I had no idea what I should and should not be eating. I to do not have any of Heather's products except for Eating for IBS, which my MIL got me off amazon.com. Heather is doing this for us to feel better and for me it works so I am going to stick to Heather's diet. I am not leaving to try something new.
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Alot of people with IBS C go there and talk about how this diet doesn't work for C and really they are right to some extent. You can't be scared of IF when you are C and too many people get scared of it here. Otherwise, what could be NOT right about this diet? Nothing but that! Certainly avoiding things that are hard to digest makes sense and Heather doesn't make money from that does she? In fact she doesn't really push her products at all. Even her moderators sometimes don't use her products. Personally I will spend my last dimes on acacia and tummy teas.
-------------------- IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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They have nothing more successful at that forum. One old timer there lives completely GF and says it helps the gas, but my GI doc said that is bogus and loved Heather's diet even though he had never heard of it before.
-------------------- IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I'm IBS C please explain why it may not work? I just got her book today
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and they also go to extremes. The diet says to be careful with insoluble fiber, but NOT to avoid it (insoluble fiber is crucial for constipation, not to mention overall good health). This means that while you need to eat it (and I honestly don't know how to emphasize this more - it's a point made in bold in the book, on the site, everywhere), you can't eat it with abandon. Even the "breaking the cycle" diet info emphasizes how important insoluble fiber is and that you cannot go more than a few days without it.
You need a base of soluble fiber. You need to cook, or chop, or puree your insoluble fiber, and you don't want it alone or on an empty stomach. You also need to avoid the trigger foods - and by avoid I mean do NOT eat. If you eat pork chops because you think it's a white meat, or you switch to decaf coffee instead of eliminating it, or you don't give up cheese because you really really like it, you are quite likely to perpetuate your own problems. This is especially true when you're first struggling to get things under control.
The recipes give common sense examples of what this means in concrete terms.
If someone totally ignores this, and eliminates all fruits, veggies, and whole grains from their diet, or doesn't eliminate the big triggers, and then says "Heather told me to do this, and it made my constipation worse" then I'm completely at a loss. They are totally misunderstanding or misinterpreting or just willfully ignoring information that is being conveyed very clearly to them, and I have a hard time taking the blame for that.
I honestly don't give a darn what diet people with IBS choose to follow. I just want them to be able to make a well-informed choice, and I want them to feel better, whatever that takes.
For purposes of clarity and consistency, this board is specifically focused on the Eating for IBS diet. If it wasn't, and had dietary advice all over the map, it wouldn't be much help to anyone. There are lots of other IBS internet boards out there that make that point quite painfully.
After moderating these boards for several years now, I've seen tons of people come and go. For the most part, they leave because they're doing better, not because they didn't get any help here. They've simply gotten to the point where they don't need to come and ask a lot of IBS questions anymore. Some folks also just plain get busy, or bored, and move off the boards to do other things in their lives.
Hope you're feeling better soon.
- Heather
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great to see you hear heather. both your books came today,I'm looking forward to reading them and feeling better. No more days on the floor in pain..fingers crossed
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Hi Minnie, Yes, that is the site I was thinking of in my other post in this thread. A lot of people on that site don't know the truth, nor do they tell it. There was that one guy who once posted on our board that if you stick your finger in your ear, it will cure your IBS. What a maroon! -Bob
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After reading this thread I decided I needed to thank Heather. I have a pretty mile case of IBS (If I even have IBS but I probably do) and thanks to her I have had more good bowel movements in the last 1.5 weeks then I have in the last two years and it is all about the diet. I will probably start to add more things into my diet in a few more weeks.
I find meals to be no problem but it can be difficult to remain full for any length of time with all the soluble fiber.
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Hi, i just posted up top, but if you haven t really researched the gluten diet situation, i would love to give you some info, because i ve been trying it lately as well. first of all it takes everyone different amounts of time for the damage to their small intestine to heal. also, quite often, the damage that has been done will cause a lactose intolerance for a while until the small intestine heals. if you want to know for sure that's what it is you would need to get a biopsy of your small intestine. there is a blood test but it s not entirely accurate, so you should ask your dr to get those tests done. just a tip too when trying the gluten free diet, it hides in a lot of things so you have to be really really careful. there are a ton of websites with info. some useful lists and whatnot, but i normally just go to google and search gluten free + whatever product or ingredient i want to eat. if you want some websites though, just respond to this and i ll compile a list. good luck with everything
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I just don't have time to post as much as I'd like. But I do read pretty much everything on this board...
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#236082 - 01/05/06 05:57 PM
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On the other forum the general thinking is that Heather's diet does not help IBS-C. I feel that is because Cer's do not eat as much insoluble fiber as they should.
-------------------- IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I agree - This site has been a complete lifeline for me. I'm always around reading the posts, but don't always have time to reply.
Whether the diet works or not for me (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't), I still think this site is fantastic!
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