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Re: Thanks, and would everyone please give me their feedback here? new
      #106555 - 09/17/04 01:53 PM
ptillen

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Agreed. I think it's useful for us to find out about this product; as I said before, we need to have ALL the info, including the fact that the products are marketed in a multi-level fashion, and are not something you can pick up at Walgreens. That doesn't mean it isn't a good line though, and if it's beneficial to some of us, then it'd be helpful to know about it.
I'm also cool with it cause as far as I know, Karen hasn't been actively hawking it, just telling us about it.
And hey, we're grownups living in a capitalist society. Presumably we know by now that just cause somebody's trying to sell us something doesn't mean we HAVE to buy it.

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Frustrated! new
      #106562 - 09/17/04 02:29 PM
kemulvey

Reged: 07/05/04
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I actually don't.

I'm at the bottom of the "pyramid" if you will so I don't make anything if anyone buys products from me. I'm not doing this to make money, I promise. And if you don't believe me, I don't know what else I can say.

I can explain the pyramid system as it was explained to me. It is unfortunate that it is sold this way-- and it is unfortunate for all of us. The reason they do this is so that you have someone you can go to if you need help, personal advice or a personal story (like mine).

If I were at a higher "level" on the pyramid, I would, but I am just out of college and not looking to make money, just to tell people how much better I feel.

I don't know what else to say to those of you who doubt me except that I am hurt and very frustrated and wish I had never brought it up. Why did I think that telling people would be a bad thing?

If you COULD buy it at a drug store I'd have told people about it then, too. By the time I ship it to people, I lose whatever "profit" I'd have made anyway, just so you know. And I'm offended that anyone here would think I would do this just to make money.

I had good results and was looking to share it so some of you would feel better.

I don't know what else to say.

Heather, I appreciate your support. You know I would never do anything to try to undermine your work. Were it not for you, I'd have been miserable for much longer. And I do still follow the diet for the most part, even though there are things I find I can sneak back in.

I only offered this because I was TRYING TO HELP those who were at their WITS END find a solution. I had lost TONS of weight, was in the hospital and the doctor told me to try anything I could to put the weight back on. This worked. I came here because I knew there were others in a similar situation-- some of whom, like me, had tried every drug, every herbal tea, and the elimination diet, would be fine and then for some unknown reason find themselves miserable.

Please understand, I want to harm no one and I am trying very hard not to lose the wonderful friends I have found here. I have only tried to help you and will feel very upset if I end up having lost the respect of people who helped me for trying to help them in return.
- Karen

Edited by kemulvey (09/17/04 02:39 PM)

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Re: Thanks, and would everyone please give me their feedback here? new
      #106564 - 09/17/04 02:45 PM
atomic rose

Reged: 06/01/04
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Loc: Maine (IBS-A stable since July '05!)

I ditto all that's been said. I don't see any harm in letting the threads continue... for the sake of information, and knowing about everything that's out there. Personally, I have no need or reason to buy the products, but I'm thrilled it's helped Karen, and if she can help others in the same way, then... wonderful! As long as everyone's informed about what they're getting into, you know?

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Response to Casey new
      #106570 - 09/17/04 02:55 PM
kemulvey

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If you all want the whole deal posted here once with how much it costs etc. I can do that. I didn't because I didn't want to annoy people. I'm happy to post my whole explanatory email that I've been sending to people privately if it helps clear things up-- it's basically the same as the posts I've put up and is better organized....

Heather?

Best,
Karen =)

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Re: Thanks, and would everyone please give me their feedback here? new
      #106577 - 09/17/04 03:14 PM
LittleFox

Reged: 04/15/04
Posts: 503
Loc: California

I don't think that Karen's giving information to us is harmful. I think you should leave the thread as is. She is not trying to talk us into buying anything, she is simple telling us about a product that has helped her and possibly might help someone else on the board.

I have a tendency to raise my eyebrows at anything that make "claims". Karen is a friend, she would not harm us in any way, I simply refuse to believe that!

We are the ones who make the choices here. We can either try the product or not. It's that simple.

As Heather stated, although she monitors the board; it is our board and Karen has been with us for a long time.

It's okay with me.

Lene

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Re: Response to Casey new
      #106578 - 09/17/04 03:16 PM
LittleFox

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Why don't you do that Karen. Perhaps it will yield a better understanding.

Lene

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Re: Thanks, and would everyone please give me their feedback here? new
      #106585 - 09/17/04 04:10 PM
Tissy

Reged: 07/15/04
Posts: 773
Loc: Baltimore, MD

Hi Heather,

I have only been on the boards a little while and have found the diet to be the only thing that has helped me so far. But I am definitely open to other things that may help.

I think that Karen seems to generally want to help others on this site. I think that we are all adults and can make our own decisions, so the post should be left up.

However, I personally don't feel comfortable trying something that may or may not work and is expensive w/o more research.

I don't know anyone else who is taking this product so I am relying on Karen's info to give me a better understanding of it's benefits. I am still a little confused on some things. So Karen I was wondering if you could clarify some things for me before I consider this product:

First, I read the following statements in your post that seem to say that you are still following Heather's diet:

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I have been IBS symptom free thanks to a soluble fiber diet (for the most part) and a new powdered vitamin supplement and fiber supplement (that includes probiotics) from a company called RELIV.




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I'm not saying this is a "dream cure" but in conjunction with Heather's diet guidelines, it can make a huge difference.




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And I do still follow the diet for the most part, even though there are things I find I can sneak back in.




Then I read this statement:

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I don't use SFS or any Rx for IBS anymore, or Lactaid and it's saving me tons of money food shopping too, because I can eat again.




I took from it that you save money food shopping b/c you eat normally again and do not have to buy foods for the diet that tend to be a little more expensive then normal stuff.

Are you saying you can eat anything you want? Or are you still following Heather's diet in some form?

Second, I read the following statement that says you are still on a SFS:

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I still take 1 T of Acacia once a day, but otherwise, I have been wonderful.




And then I read these statements that say you have eliminated your other SFS:

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I have never been more stable and now that I'm up to the full scoop of FIBRESTORE after a month I have dropped my other SFS.




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I don't use SFS or any Rx for IBS anymore, or Lactaid and it's saving me tons of money food shopping too, because I can eat again.




Do you still take the you Acacia SFS or just the FIBRESTORE?

Third the following statements seem to say you are still on some RX:

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In under a week and a half, I reduced my IBS related medications-- Bentyl and Paxil to half and cut Protonix (for acid reflux) in half as well, stopped all Immodium when I'd been taking 8 or more a week the 2 weeks before I started the RELIV and I've never felt better.




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I'm down from over 30 pills per day (fiber included) to taking 7. SEVEN




Then I read these statements that seem to say that you not taking any RX for IBS:

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I've been symptom free for over a month and it's also eliminated my prescriptions




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I don't use SFS or any Rx for IBS anymore, or Lactaid and it's saving me tons of money food shopping too, because I can eat again.




Are you still taking prescriptions for IBS or Acid Reflux or does this product eliminate the need for Rxs?

If you could clarify these points for me I would greatly appreciate it. B/C if the product does not eliminate prescriptions, and enable me to eat more normally then it would not really be doing me any more good then the diet. However, I know some others here are worse off then me and still have some problems despite the diet and SFS, so this may help them.

Thank You for Your Help

Christie

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The WHOLE RELIV Story new
      #106596 - 09/17/04 05:25 PM
kemulvey

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The WHOLE RELIV story
For anybody interested in the RELIV system, I will explain it to you to the best of my ability since at the moment I have been receiving emails from people who would like it fully explained.


1) THE PYRAMID SCHEME
Honestly, I have had second thoughts about posting again after being accused of doing this to make money. Please promise me no hard feelings. I have been a friend as long as I have been here and it would be hard for me to leave you all now. I was looking forward to sharing my good news. I will get this demon out of the way first.

I won't make anything because once I ship it to you, my "profit margin" is eaten in shipping costs. (The cans are heavy.) Yes it's a pyramid scheme. That frustrates me to no end because I've had luck with this that I've had with nothing else. How it works is, I am a distributor so I can get it from the company. Only distributors have this luxury. Otherwise, you can find a local distributor who can give it to you. There is a search engine on the website.

They are not available on the general market because the products sell by word of mouth. The theory behind this is if you are connected to someone who has good results and a connection to the company and who can follow up with you and see how you are doing, you are more likely to do well with the products. Some of it can get confusing, how much of which to take when and the philosophy behind having a distributor is that they can check in with you from time to time should you need anything.

2) THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES
For help with IBS there are three products that every person takes in a shake TWICE a DAY, every day.

These are CLASSIC (a vitamin supplement), INNERGIZE (a vitamin supplement with added nutrients) and FIBRESTORE (a fiber supplement with antioxidants and probiotics built in).


CLASSIC and INNERGIZE contain vitamins… FIBRESTORE contains soluble and insoluble fiber, with a high concentration of soluble fiber.

You take one scoop of CLASSIC, ˝ scoop of INNERGIZE and 1 scoop of FIBRESTORE in each shake—TWICE A DAY.

The fiber begins at 1/4 scoop for a few days (2x), work up to 1/2 scoop and finally 1 scoop per drink. 2 scoops day = 20 g fiber. I often had trouble getting enough. I have never been more stable and now that I'm up to the full scoop of FIBRESTORE after a month I have dropped my other SFS.

However, you WILL NEED SFS while you adjust to the product…. It can take up to a month to get results... so you'll need a SFS for the SHORT TERM while you work up the fiber over 2 weeks. I took 1 T of Acacia 2x a day until I got to ˝ scoop of fiber and then I didn't need it anymore.

Everything IS natural. It gives your body the nutrients you need. There may be a slight change in your body (for the better) as you adjust to the products... My whole family is on them now after seeing how much healthier I look and feel in general and they don't even have IBS….

3) WHAT IT COSTS

The basics include

CLASSIC- 40 (lasts 1 month)
INNERGIZE (lasts 2 months)- 19
FIBRESTORE- 40 (lasts 1 month)

There is a 30 day money back guarantee with it also, so if you take it and it doesn't work you can return it and get your money back.

4) WHERE TO GET IT
Because of the pyramid marketing thing, it's not something you can get on your own. It has to come from the company or a distributor. You can get it from me (ie: I'll order what you need, it will come here and I'll ship it to you myself complete with personalized directions etc.) ....or you can call a 1800 number and get it from them with my personal control number which I'll be glad to give you if you want to email me. You can order it from me. It will take me 5-7 days to get it and then I can ship it out.

You can use ONLINE ORDERING... http://www.relivonline.com/order.pl?id=23782

Or you can check the website: www.reliv.com and they have a list of distributors near you.

5) DIET ETC
My lactose intolerance was completely reversed. It's saving me tons of money food shopping too, because I can eat again, so I don't have to be as choosy about what I'm eating. Before I had to buy tons of organic food and expensive things just to survive—whether on the list or not. Many of the foods on Heather's list used to aggravate me, even though most people on the list had no problems at all with them. (Tomatos, most of the veggies, some of the fruit) And now I can eat most of those. My tolerance for soy has gotten better. I primarily follow the diet—but I do eat cheese… and can sneak in some fried food in small quantities when it used to KILL me.

I stick to mostly IBS diet foods, but I do eat chocolate and cheese. No alcohol—though I did have half a glass at a party last week and it didn't bother me at all when I'd normally be RUINED for 3-5 days. I make no claims that the Reliv is responsible, only stating the fact that I didn't get sick.

6) MY STORY (from beginning to now)

I'll start from the very beginning... I have had IBS for most of my life. Documented case since I was NINE. I am now 23 and have suffered horribly. Missed tons of school during high school and college.

I had terrible problems with gas, and especially BLOATING on even Heather's diet... no matter what I ate, it felt like I would blow up like a hot air balloon. I think it would help everyone who has bloating trouble, simply because it really helps regulate your tummy, and I think some of the "happy gut flora" as I like to call them are responsible for keeping things in line and reducing bloating.... I only had MINOR problems with that each time I increased the fiber.... as long as you drink water as you should you'll be FINE.

I was MISERABLE-- sick all the time. Terrible D (took 5-6 Immodium a week, minimum), with gas and bloating... never felt hungry, lost tons of weight, and despite the diet, which helped—don't get me wrong, without it and the support from all of you, I'd have been totally lost, continued to feel weak, tired and just plain debilitated.

I was in the hospital 4 times in July and August trying to figure out if my latest "flare up" was something much worse than IBS. I went down to Heather's basic diet and no matter what I ate, it went right through me. 3 weeks later, after having lost 10 pounds, I was sent for an emergency colonoscopy, which was an ordeal in itself, believe me.

After that was over, my hope of feeling better was pretty dim. They had told me there was nothing new they could give me for Rx's since I was already on Bentyl and taking Immodium nearly everyday. They told me to take heart and eventually it would sort itself out.

I moved, and I was living with a woman who was an RN who introduced me to Reliv products

It took me approximately 10 days to feel 100% better and I don't use SFS or any Rx for IBS anymore. I have stopped taking all my Rx related to IBS. I have stopped my Rx for acid reflux, and as soon as I have approval from my migraine specialist, will hopefully be completely medicine free.

I've been on this for over a month... in serious stress and have not had ONE attack. NOT ONE. And with the stress of moving (again). Finding a job. Being in one I couldn't stand for a whole month where people where constantly abusing me emotionally—that's pretty incredible.

Even my doctors know and are impressed. I have seen them since.

I don't know if this helps any of you. I swear I'm a friend and only trying to help.

If I can answer anything else please drop me an email at karenreliv@hotmail.com.

Best wishes to all,
Karen =)

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Okay, folks are happy to have this thread continue - but I'd like to ask new
      #106601 - 09/17/04 05:38 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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that we try to keep all Reliv posts in this same thread. I think a few other threads have started, and it will help keep the board clear if everything is in this one thread.



- Heather

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No problem new
      #106605 - 09/17/04 06:05 PM
kemulvey

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Heather-
No problem from me... I tried to put all of the necessary information in the one posted near the top of this thread called "The WHOLE RELIV Story." I actually had hoped this was part of the other thread. I had not intended there be two, but then I didn't start both of them so I don't feel so bad.

Thanks for defending me.
Best,
Karen =)

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