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Re: My opinion (of course).
      11/04/04 07:54 AM
daliatree

Reged: 07/10/04
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Loc: Manhattan, New York

When we talk about natural, it can go one of two ways. We have a 'mother nature' kind of natural where, in my opinion, anything that involves an urge (that doesn't negatively effect anyone else), becomes a 'normality' in our incredible world. Once something, that is harmless to everyone else that is not involved, has enough people with that urge, it becomes 'natural'. This is where homosexuality would stand if you were of the 'mother nature' philosophy.
If you believe in God, and by God I mean a monotheistic, omnipotent power that rules over us (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) then you will base your moral judgements on the laws of your religion. Religion is extremley judgemental (because it all comes to down to judgement 'heaven and hell' at the end of the day...reward and punishment etc) - its all about a prescribed way to live. So through religious beliefs, what we believe is natural is dictated through the moral code handed down. Homosexuality is hence considered extremley wrong and sinful.
This is where it gets difficult.
Just for the record I believe in God, but not in a religious way, in a spiritual 'this is MY God' way...
Ultimately, the beauty in a democratic country is that people are FREE to make decisions about their own lives. Laws are based on many things, but what we consider to be massively antisocial behaivours are things that impose on other peoples property and space - murder, rape, robbery etc.
When acts do not involve anything or anyone apart from two consenting (or three or four!!!) adults, if we are to continue to live in a free place where everyone can practise what they wish, we cannot dictate to people, or impose upon them, beliefs and morals that they do not feel in their heart and soul.
It is important to realise, that to a homosexual person, the thought of having sex with somebody of the opposite sex is as repulsive as it is to a heterosexual to have sex with someone of the same sex. To them, it feels natural and beautiful. What would we have...a person alone and sad or a person with love in their ONLY life?
Just as wish for Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc to practise in peace and harmony, we want people whose life philosophies and practise are different to be able to feel as free. A harmonious society is that in which people feel they can be comfortable in their own skin, feel free to be true to themselves and have high self esteem.
Why does it effect anyone if gays are given the right to marry? It promotes the principle of monogamy and stability, which is a lot more conservative in many ways, then promiscuous behaivour by many heterosexuals!
Ultimately, what goes on between people, and the commitments they choose to make to eachother, is private. That is the beauty of the philosphy of this country. We cannot dictate something as personal as a belief in a higher power, mother nature, or God , to other human beings.
My opinion!! :-)

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* Election Day has come and gone....
jules
11/03/04 06:53 AM
* OK GUYS!!!
heather7476
11/04/04 03:52 PM
* Re: OK GUYS!!!
StephS
11/04/04 04:10 PM
* Re: OK GUYS!!!
Cara4503
11/04/04 04:27 PM
* And you thought the Making babies thread was long!!!!LOL JJ N/T
heather7476
11/04/04 08:14 AM
* LOL - I was thinking the same thing... -nt-
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11/04/04 08:16 AM
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11/04/04 07:30 AM
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11/03/04 10:08 PM
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11/04/04 03:40 PM
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11/04/04 08:36 AM
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11/04/04 08:06 AM
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Kimm
11/04/04 09:41 AM
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11/04/04 08:16 AM
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11/04/04 10:05 AM
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Cara4503
11/04/04 10:08 AM
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Sunshyne
11/04/04 08:20 AM
* Sunshyne - absolutely agree n.t.
daliatree
11/04/04 08:28 AM
* Re: Sunshyne - I absolutely agree to n.t.
heather7476
11/04/04 09:32 AM
* Re: I hate to offend anyone, but I have to stand up for what I believe in.
melitami
11/04/04 08:25 AM
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Sunshyne
11/04/04 08:28 AM
* YEP YEP YEP YEP!!!!!
heather7476
11/04/04 09:39 AM
* Amen and God Bless your testimony here! -nt-
bamagirl
11/04/04 05:58 AM
* Gigi - God Bless You! -nt-
Cara4503
11/04/04 05:46 AM
* Re: I hate to offend anyone, but I have to stand up for what I believe in.
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/04/04 05:20 AM
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Kimm
11/04/04 09:43 AM
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heather7476
11/04/04 02:38 AM
* I am not here to judge anyone, just stating my opinion.....a little more...
gigi
11/04/04 07:45 AM
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heather7476
11/04/04 08:03 AM
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gigi
11/04/04 08:10 AM
* My opinion (of course).
UrbanRain
11/04/04 04:20 AM
* Update: My opinion (of course).
UrbanRain
11/04/04 02:32 PM
* Re: My opinion (of course).
StephS
11/04/04 07:05 AM
* Re: My opinion (of course).
daliatree
11/04/04 07:54 AM
* Re: My opinion (of course).
michele
11/04/04 09:59 AM
* I agree with ya Daliatree totaly!!!!!! N/T
heather7476
11/04/04 08:05 AM
* Yes - NOT natural -nt-
Cara4503
11/04/04 07:32 AM
* Re: Thats right Steph -nt-
gigi
11/04/04 07:14 AM
* As the saying goes...Don't mess with Texas! -nt-
UrbanRain
11/03/04 10:14 PM
* Thank goodness "Ohio" wasn't another "Florida" -nt-
UrbanRain
11/03/04 09:43 PM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
BarbaraS
11/03/04 08:56 PM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....Barbara...
gigi
11/03/04 10:20 PM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
LittleLisa
11/03/04 05:21 PM
* Well, it's over...
Cara4503
11/03/04 04:01 PM
* Re: Well, it's over...
heather7476
11/03/04 06:31 PM
* Re: Well, it's over...
michele
11/04/04 10:11 AM
* Michele
Sunshyne
11/04/04 10:18 AM
* Re: Michele
jules
11/04/04 12:05 PM
* Re: Well, it's over...
Cara4503
11/03/04 07:10 PM
* Well said Cara!
BarbaraS
11/03/04 08:38 PM
* Re: Well, it's over...
chinagrl
11/03/04 06:38 PM
* Re: Well, it's over...
StephS
11/03/04 05:55 PM
* Re: Well, it's over...
atomic rose
11/03/04 05:20 PM
* I'd reply, but I'm not allowed to talk to you :) -nt-
Cara4503
11/03/04 05:56 PM
* Re: I'd reply, but I'm not allowed to talk to you :) -nt-
StephS
11/03/04 06:02 PM
* Boy oh boy, I have a feeling I'm going to hear about that one for a while!
atomic rose
11/03/04 06:01 PM
* Big kiss on the lips for Rose. Big punch in the mouth for Bob from Rose's husband!!! -nt-
UrbanRain
11/03/04 10:24 PM
* OMG!!! boyfriend. Smack on the face from Rose!!!
UrbanRain
11/03/04 10:26 PM
* well.. my DH's comment wasnt' about the president..
khyricat
11/03/04 04:22 PM
* Nicely put Cara! nt

11/03/04 04:14 PM
* Brittney!
Cara4503
11/03/04 06:16 PM
* Re: Brittney!

11/03/04 06:40 PM
* Well said Cara! - nt
RachelT
11/03/04 04:04 PM
* Cara- I agree
cailin
11/03/04 04:09 PM
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JBI
11/03/04 02:46 PM
* security..
khyricat
11/03/04 04:31 PM
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TommyNY
11/03/04 04:21 PM
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stevensa
11/03/04 03:33 PM
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chinagrl
11/03/04 06:43 PM
* Non US view re elections...
cailin
11/03/04 03:42 PM
* Re: Non US view re elections...
stevensa
11/03/04 04:37 PM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
mindyj
11/03/04 03:20 PM
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JBI
11/03/04 07:35 PM
* Amen, Mindy -nt-
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 06:51 PM
* Well said MindyJ

11/03/04 05:10 PM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
Little Minnie
11/03/04 11:08 AM
* I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
bamagirl
11/03/04 10:57 AM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:01 AM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
bamagirl
11/03/04 11:08 AM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
Sunshyne
11/03/04 11:11 AM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
jules
11/03/04 11:03 AM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:19 AM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
khyricat
11/03/04 01:13 PM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
BarbaraS
11/03/04 08:41 PM
* Re: I served as a poll watcher yesterday, and after what I saw
jules
11/03/04 11:22 AM
* I noticed this Panda...
mindyj
11/03/04 10:50 AM
* Re: I noticed this Panda...
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:01 AM
* 9/11
khyricat
11/03/04 01:17 PM
* Re: I noticed this Panda...
mindyj
11/03/04 12:03 PM
* Re: I noticed this Panda...
TommyNY
11/03/04 11:17 AM
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heather7476
11/03/04 03:31 PM
* Re: I noticed this Panda...
khyricat
11/03/04 04:24 PM
* Tommy, with you 100% -nt-
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:21 AM
* For the people in NY

11/03/04 11:30 AM
* Re: For the people in NY
Sweetd
11/03/04 12:03 PM
* Re: For the people in NY
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:38 AM
* Hmm..interesting --we will see! nt

11/03/04 11:57 AM
* Re: For the people in NY
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:37 AM
* well that's what's funny...

11/03/04 11:43 AM
* Re: well that's what's funny...
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:45 AM
* Re: For the people in NY
TommyNY
11/03/04 11:41 AM
* Amanda
TommyNY
11/03/04 11:23 AM
* Re: Amanda
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:25 AM
* Re: Amanda
TommyNY
11/03/04 11:28 AM
* Re: Amanda
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 11:43 AM
* Re: Amanda
TommyNY
11/03/04 11:55 AM
* your comments here- both of you...
khyricat
11/03/04 01:33 PM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
Sunshyne
11/03/04 10:36 AM
* Sunshyne...
khyricat
11/03/04 01:36 PM
* I am so frustrated..
khyricat
11/03/04 10:25 AM
* Yep...I get so sick of the MTV garbage!!!
StephS
11/03/04 10:30 AM
* AMIE!!!!!
heather7476
11/03/04 10:30 AM
* Re: AMIE!!!!!
khyricat
11/03/04 10:40 AM
* Moving to Canada...
Stephie
11/03/04 09:45 AM
* Re: Moving to Canada...
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 09:51 AM
* Re: Moving to Canada...
heather7476
11/03/04 10:04 AM
* Re: Moving to Canada...
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 10:06 AM
* Re: Moving to Canada...
heather7476
11/03/04 10:13 AM
* Re: Moving to Canada...
Stephie
11/03/04 10:00 AM
* I am very happy too!

11/03/04 09:12 AM
* Well I'm happy!!!NT
StephS
11/03/04 08:50 AM
* I'm Happy, too! nt
MissS
11/03/04 08:54 AM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
Angela E.
11/03/04 08:33 AM
* I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
atomic rose
11/03/04 07:55 AM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
LittleLisa
11/03/04 05:47 PM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
melitami
11/03/04 09:16 AM
* I'm A Canadian But.....
Kimm
11/04/04 09:39 AM
* Long live the Queen!!
Sunshyne
11/03/04 09:19 AM
* WWWWOOOOOWWWWW
heather7476
11/03/04 09:14 AM
* ROFL! So will I... like I can ever REALLY stop talking to someone
atomic rose
11/03/04 09:22 AM
* ROTFL!!
heather7476
11/03/04 09:25 AM
* Ok, now I'm really cracking up!
atomic rose
11/03/04 09:39 AM
* Re: ROFL! So will I... like I can ever REALLY stop talking to someone
jules
11/03/04 09:24 AM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
jules
11/03/04 09:10 AM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
Cara4503
11/03/04 08:59 AM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 09:24 AM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
Cara4503
11/03/04 10:20 AM
* panda.. cara.. stephs...
Dr. Spice Yamin
11/03/04 09:47 AM
* Re: panda.. cara.. stephs...spicey
lovejoy_22
11/03/04 12:25 PM
* election lurker & Michael Moore
cailin
11/03/04 12:55 PM
* Re: election lurker & Michael Moore
jules
11/03/04 01:12 PM
* Re: panda.. cara.. stephs...

11/03/04 10:03 AM
* brittany...
Dr. Spice Yamin
11/03/04 10:29 AM
* Re: panda.. cara.. stephs...
AmandaPanda, J.D.
11/03/04 10:07 AM
* Re: panda.. cara.. stephs...
Dr. Spice Yamin
11/03/04 10:27 AM
* Re: panda.. cara.. stephs...
TommyNY
11/03/04 11:32 AM
* Re: panda.. cara.. stephs...
Sweetd
11/03/04 12:14 PM
* Spicey
heather7476
11/03/04 10:33 AM
* heather..
Dr. Spice Yamin
11/03/04 10:34 AM
* Re: heather..
chinagrl
11/03/04 01:40 PM
* Meh, I'll get over it...
atomic rose
11/03/04 09:08 AM
* Casey
Linz
11/03/04 12:59 PM
* Linz
SLiCKsGiRL
11/03/04 02:21 PM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
StephS
11/03/04 09:04 AM
* Re: I was, and still am, VERY unhappy...
Sunshyne
11/03/04 08:21 AM
* Re: Election Day has come and gone....
Nelly
11/03/04 07:10 AM
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jules
11/03/04 07:27 AM
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Nelly
11/03/04 07:30 AM
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cailin
11/03/04 07:04 AM

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