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Re: My Personal Weight Muscle Gain
      04/28/05 04:29 PM
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Yes I've read those things too about carbs - only complex, no carbs after 6 or no carbs at all except for before and after workouts... I've also read things though that say that's a lot of really extreme bs.

Not all of it's wrong though certainly. Weight trianing is a different animal than other athletics like track and such that require endurance. For weight trianing you need about an hour of solid endurance (which is why you have carbs before your workout) and that's it. But still, this doesn't mean you need to cut out carbs the rest of day, really.

One definite truth though - complex carbs are best for you for muscle gain and fat loss so I do my best to get as much of those as I can, particularly in the evenings (as I workout in the mornings). Complex carbs I eat: oatmeal (I know you can't have this though ), oat bread (I make this myself with oat flour - it may or may not be more tolerable for you...?), sweet potatoes, red and yukon gold potatoes boiled (these have a much lower GI than baking potatoes with the thick brown skins), pasta (believe it or not, pasta is actually a low GI food! They way that the semolina flour is in the gain means that it's realeased a lot slower than white bread or rice), whole grain sugar-free cereals (like Cheerios, Corn Bran etc.).

I do NOT stop eating carbs at any point during the day - my stomach would kill me! and I do have some simple carbs throughout the day too, such a a white english muffin in the morning, some white bread or rice now and then. If you can handle it you might also try mixing complex carbs with SF simple foods - like mixing some brown rice in with white rice. That bit of brown rice will bring down the GI of the whole meal, and in small amounts it may not bother you, but you'd have ot experiment with that yourself.

Really, I have had lots of success with training *heavy* and gaining muscle while staying strict on this diet! (hehe I'm esctatic, can you tell?) You should note that I also eat NO sugar and I NEVER cheat and or eat junk (having IBS makes it easier too - cheating for us has nastier consequences!). If you're worried about cutting out simple carbs, refined sugar (and honey for that matter too) will spike your insulin just as steeply as those foods and its much easier to cut out for IBS than the bread is.

In short, I've read a lot of places that say you don't need to be so extreme with cutting carbs to gain muscle without gaining fat - and a lot more, and more credible places to be honest, than those that say you need to be super extreme. That is, unless you're training for a contest in a few weeks or something! Moderate carbs yes (moderate being 50-60% of calories, with protein at around 30%, fat at around 15%), don't eat carbs alone yes, eat as many simple carbs as you possibly and safely can. FYI eating simple carbs with other foods like protein, fat, or complex carbs will significantly bring down the GI of the whole meal - so yes you have to eat some simple carbs, but not eating them alone will help LOTS.

Hope that answers your questions... good luck!

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