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      11/14/06 05:32 PM
Sand

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I'm starting this anew because the threading has gone to pot and I can't figure out who's talking to whom. Let's see:

I don't think I got an response to this sequence about your convenient change of heart with regard to how Heather talks about fructose:

Syl post
My point

(I wasn't looking for a response on the whole fruit sugar thing. I was just annoyed you were so unpleasant about it.)


Yes, 73% was one particular study, but it's the study you used to back up your claim that "[f]ructose malabsorption is ... beginning to look like ... one of the most common IBS triggers." Your linking the study with your claim would lead most casual readers to conclude that fructose is a trigger for 73% of people with IBS. This is sloppy.

And if I may be permitted a small digression, I think you've been similarly sloppy in not making it crystal clear much earlier that you cannot tolerate even 5 grams of fructose. There is a big difference between that amount of fructose and the 25-50 grams of fructose used in the studies you cite on fructose malabsorption. Five grams of fructose is less than half an apple; 25 grams of fructose is almost 3 apples.

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It is amazing how much commotion this topic has created whereas when others post claims that lean red meat which is on the list is not a trigger or that soy which isn't on the list is a trigger they generate relatively little discussion. It seems that triggers can be an individual thing.




I don't think anyone posts that red meat is not a trigger (unless you have been). Mostly people just say, "I find I can tolerate red meat." Similarly people don't say soy is a trigger; they say, "Soy really upsets my tummy."

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Oh well - I guess eventually this topic will run out of steam too



Maybe. My guess is that what's actually going to happen is that - at a minimum - Heather is going to lock this thread.

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The research should be kept on the Research Board in my opinion




I agree that the science of IBS should be separate. Unfortunately, the research board is a library. Discussions and postings can only be done by the moderator.
There should be a separate place for the discussion of the science of IBS. The poll done by Heather some weeks ago suggests this community supports that idea.




I don't find it unfortunate that postings on the Research Board can only be done by Heather. She provides a gate-keeping function I think is very useful. There's a lot of junk passing itself off as science floating around out there.

There is no problem with science being discussed on this Board. People drag in references all the time. This is not a Science Board, though. This is a Board about using Heather's guidelines to manage IBS and about people's personal experiences with IBS. Heather's, as in her list Soluble Fiber foods, lots of water for IBS-C, no dairy or red meat, and be careful with acidic foods, sulfurous foods, and fructose. Personal, as in, "I have a lot of trouble with fructose" not "Most IBSers have a lot of trouble with fructose."

At the same time, there is absolutely no reason in the world why you cannot start your own forum - a blog, a Website, a Yahoo group - and discuss your version of the "Science of IBS" until the cows come home. You could start a thread on the Diet Board directing people to your site. This way Heather could post in that thread with all the necessary disclaimers to avoid the nasty liability issues that GaiasSong so cleverly thought of. Once your thread on the Diet Board exists, you could bump it once a month, once a week, once a day so new people would know about it. This way, you get your discussion area, Heather doesn't have the risk or the extra work, and anyone who wants to hear what you have to say knows where to find you.

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[Research tells us fourteen out of any ten individuals likes chocolate. - Sandra Boynton]

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* High Fructose Corn Syrup-D?
Naturapanic
11/06/06 09:02 PM
* Post for Jeio
Sand
11/14/06 05:38 PM
* Post for MCV
Sand
11/14/06 05:36 PM
* Re: Post for MCV
MCV
11/15/06 06:00 AM
* Post for Syl
Sand
11/14/06 05:32 PM
* Apples are high in fructose
Syl
11/07/06 05:31 AM
* Re: Apples are high in fructose
germanicus1991
11/13/06 08:15 PM
* Re: Apples are high in fructose
Syl
11/14/06 07:13 AM
* Re: Apples are high in fructose
germanicus1991
11/13/06 08:37 PM
* apples
Jordy
11/07/06 06:30 AM
* Re: apples
Karen18
11/07/06 09:39 AM
* Re: appleswith NO SKIN
Joannelcoq
11/15/06 11:25 AM
* It seems everyone is different
Jordy
11/15/06 12:22 PM
* Re: apples
Jordy
11/07/06 12:04 PM
* Re: apples
Lisa Marie
11/07/06 02:56 PM
* Re: apples
Syl
11/07/06 03:28 PM
* Re: apples
Lisa Marie
11/09/06 08:28 AM
* Re: apples
K2
11/07/06 04:06 PM
* Oranges hard for lots of people?-nt
Jordy
11/09/06 12:25 PM
* Re: apples
Naturapanic
11/07/06 07:32 PM
* Who knows!
Jordy
11/09/06 05:59 PM
* Avoid HFCS as much as possible. Eat the apple. -nt-
Sand
11/08/06 08:07 AM
* Humbly disagree
Syl
11/08/06 08:20 AM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Gracie
11/08/06 08:32 PM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Sand
11/08/06 08:56 AM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Syl
11/08/06 09:01 AM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Jordy
11/08/06 12:49 PM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Syl
11/08/06 01:10 PM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Sand
11/09/06 01:58 PM
* Further thoughts....
Syl
11/09/06 03:30 PM
* Re: Further thoughts....
Sand
11/11/06 04:00 PM
* Sorry you took it that way ...
Syl
11/11/06 04:50 PM
* IBS and science
jen1013
11/12/06 03:47 PM
* Gosh Jen ....
Syl
11/12/06 05:43 PM
* Re: Gosh Jen ....
jen1013
11/14/06 01:09 PM
* Re: Gosh Jen ....
Sand
11/14/06 09:13 AM
* More information ....
Syl
11/14/06 09:40 AM
* Only 1 in 3?
Sand
11/14/06 10:08 AM
* Re: More information ....
K2
11/14/06 09:45 AM
* Your are correct ....
Syl
11/14/06 09:50 AM
* Funny...
Sand
11/14/06 10:09 AM
* Try one of these definitions
Syl
11/14/06 10:38 AM
* Re: Try one of these definitions
MCV
11/14/06 10:41 AM
* Re: Try one of these definitions
Jeio
11/14/06 12:46 PM
* Re: Your are correct ....
K2
11/14/06 10:00 AM
* Re: Your are correct ....
Syl
11/14/06 10:28 AM
* Re: Your are correct ....
MCV
11/14/06 10:39 AM
* I agree ...
Syl
11/14/06 02:29 PM
* Re: I agree ...
GaiasSong
11/14/06 05:11 PM
* I agree with MCV...
Double J
11/14/06 01:52 PM
* What does Heather say about fructose?
Jordy
11/14/06 06:04 PM
* I think that fructose is a trigger for some folks...
HeatherAdministrator
11/15/06 11:01 AM
* Thank you!
Jordy
11/15/06 12:02 PM
* Trying to understand
Jordy
11/14/06 08:40 AM
* Re: Trying to understand
K2
11/14/06 08:46 AM
* Re: Trying to understand
Jordy
11/14/06 10:16 AM
* Re: Trying to understand
K2
11/14/06 10:23 AM
* Thanks for trying to help me, Kat
Jordy
11/14/06 06:02 PM
* Re: Thanks for trying to help me, Kat
K2
11/14/06 07:56 PM
* Re: Thanks for trying to help me, Kat
Jordy
11/15/06 07:12 AM
* right on
Syl
11/14/06 09:03 AM
* Re: I agree
K2
11/12/06 03:52 PM
* Sand ...
Double J
11/11/06 04:08 PM
* Re: Sand ...
Syl
11/11/06 04:47 PM
* It's not readily availble
Jordy
11/08/06 01:34 PM
* Re: Humbly disagree
Sand
11/08/06 09:23 AM
* Sand just love your posts always make me smile nt
susieannah
11/08/06 02:37 PM
* Re: Humbly disagree
MCV
11/08/06 09:31 AM
* PS
Jordy
11/07/06 01:17 PM
* Re: Apples are high in fructose
Naturapanic
11/07/06 06:16 AM
* Re: High Fructose Corn Syrup-D?
franny
11/07/06 04:43 AM
* You can eat natural applesauce, though?
Jordy
11/07/06 06:31 AM
* Re: You can eat natural applesauce, though?
Jeio
11/07/06 03:55 PM

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