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Re: Linz/Sand/Casey/Heather???
      06/10/05 07:42 AM
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Cyndy, I believe you're absolutely right about chopping/cooking/pureeing NOT chaging IF and I think Linz does, too. Her whole quote is:

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Unfortunately it's not that black and white as the "safety" methods are about minimising Insoluble Fiber NOT getting rid of it exclsuively.
Eg. Zucchini peel is a good source of IF, but cooking it makes it easier to digest. Zucchini flesh is like apple flesh - raw it has a small amount of IF, but if you cook it then you can consider it to be SF.



(I added the colors for clarity and emphasis.)

Pretty much ALL fruits and vegetables are a mixture of SF and IF. In general, for peelable ones, most - but not all - of the IF is in the peel and most - but not all - of the SF is in the flesh (meat, insides, innards). I think what Linz is saying here is that in zucchini, most of the IF is in the peel, but there's still some in the flesh, also. Peel the zucchini and you get rid of most - but not all - of the IF. Cook the flesh and you make the IF in there so easy to digest that, combined with how little there is to begin with, you can eat it as if it's all SF.

I guess when I think about it this way, I understand why people keep asking if they need to cook mangoes or papayas - they must have at least some IF, also. Which I guess also goes back to my, "I eat raw carrots and potatoes. Isn't that okay because they're SF?"

Okay, here's my new stance. The SF foods on Heather's list are SF whether they're raw or cooked. However, since all SF foods contain at least a little IF, too, they're safest if cooked. Probably - this is a stretch, here - the crunchier the SF food is, the better it is to cook it. So, applesauce, bananas, mangoes, papayas, avocados - not crunchy, definitely no cook. Carrots, potatoes - crunchy, cook. Zucchini - somewhere in the middle, probably okay raw, but cook if you want to be sure it's safe.

I did a long post on this last night which agrees with your understanding of IF/SF and which I'm now going to update with my new stance on cooking SF foods. I started a new thread because I was getting hopelessly lost trying to follow who's responding to whom in what part of this thread - especially since the indentation has slid so far over to the right that it's now slid back to the left! Plus, there are now so many responses that my Mac is making funny noises when I ask it to go into this thread - even in Threaded mode. I think it would just throw up if I asked it to try Flat mode.

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