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But WAIT! new
      #37939 - 01/16/04 09:47 AM
Bevvy

Reged: 11/04/03
Posts: 5918
Loc: Northwest Washington State

Sherr, don't do it! Instead, try Kree's recipe, above. I just made them this morning and ate TWO of them! Can you believe it?!? Oink oink.

They're VERY good (but leave off the lemon).

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Re: But WAIT! new
      #37952 - 01/16/04 10:38 AM
sherr1

Reged: 10/07/03
Posts: 586
Loc: Southern, Calif

I'm kidding!!!I can't wait try Kree's recipe I love Lemon and it has no effect on me..I drink minute maid lemonade at least once every other day..Of course after I eaten a well balanced diet and my tummy is full.

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Kree and others, THE TEST: Advanced Foods/Special Diets/IBS new
      #38071 - 01/16/04 02:19 PM
Kandee

Reged: 05/22/03
Posts: 3206
Loc: USA, Southern California

Kree and others, You ready to meat the challenge???


Test Question : Given the following facts, determine what PERCENT of the TOTAL CALORIES COMES FROM FAT. Does this fall in the IBS safe range? If it doesn't, how would you alter it to make it fall within the safe range by conscientiously trying to maintain the same quality of TASTE and TEXTURE? And finally, in YOUR revised recipe, what percent of total calories comes from fat?


1 cup SUGAR (cane, 1 cup: 774 calories/ 0 grams fat)
1 tsp. GINGER (N/A)
1 tsp. NUTMEG (N/A)
1 tsp. CINNAMON (N/A)
½ tsp. SALT (N/A)
1 ½ tsp. BAKING SODA (N/A)
1 cup BUTTER or MARGARINE, melted (butter, 1 cup: 1628 calories/ 184 grams fat)
½ cup EVAPORATED MILK (Carnation brand, 1 cup: 170 calories/ 10 grams fat)
1 cup un-sulfured MOLASSES ( 1 cup: 771 calories, 0 grams fat)
¾ tsp. VANILLA EXTRACT (N/A)
¾ tsp. LEMON EXTRACT (N/A)
4 cups FLOUR, stone-ground or unbleached, un-sifted (Gold Medal, all purpose, 1 cup: 400 calories/ 1 gram fat)


Kandee
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I took the bait... new
      #38418 - 01/17/04 05:25 PM
steather

Reged: 01/29/03
Posts: 345
Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Lol, Kandee, I had the same idea when Kree posted the note about whether this was IBS safe or not, BUT I was too lazy to look up all the calories associated with everything. THanks for doing the leg work

Ok, so approximately 36% of the calories are from fat...according to my quick calculations. So, since this is over 25%, this would not be an IBS safe recipe... Plus, the recipe has evaporated milk, which is not IBS safe. But you could try subbing soy milk (Tess recommendeds Vitasoy Creamy soy milk for evaporated milk substitutions) or 1 cup soy/rice milk beverage with 1/3 cup powdered soy/rice beverage mix. Now, someone would have to go back, and check the amount of calories and fat grams associated with that substitution (if we're being technical here.. . ) And then, to reduce the fat content even more, I'm sure we'd have to substitute for the butter, and I actually have no idea what the original texture of these cookies were...but cookies in general go rubbery and gross with more than half of the fat replaced. So I would recommend replacing maybe half of the butter with something like applesauce or prunes or what have you. But I have no clue how this would change the texture. And of course, nothing tastes as good as butter, lol. But, if we've never had the original, I suppose the rest of us wouldnt notice a thing! Now, someone only has to experiment....

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Re: Alumni Pal, Sun Devils Rock new
      #38426 - 01/17/04 06:05 PM
steather

Reged: 01/29/03
Posts: 345
Loc: Phoenix, AZ

It's nice to meet another ASU alumni! And a native no less...lol, most people who go to ASU are out-of-staters (alot from Michigan and Wisconsin!) trying to soak up the sunshine.

Hehe, yes, many of the same antics still go on today, and A mountain still exists....except now, you have to submit a petition to change the color of the "A" otherwise you get fined....but that still doesn't stop UofA from trying to do that very thing every year! So the couple nights before the big UofA vs ASU game, several ASUers stand post guarding the A all night long... gotta love the rivalry. Also, I've had to run up and down A mountain for a couple of phy ed classes....and that wasnt a picnic as you can imagine!

Well, the education dept has had a reputation forever,I'm sure...I've just heard that they have one of the leading graduate schools in education, and alot of people go there for that. In fact, before ASU was ASU, it was Arizona State Teaching College, which has to tell ya something. It's too bad you didn't get the teaching job you wanted, but I'm sure everything turned out for the best in the end. I can relate with you now, though...with the economy as it has been, its pretty darn near impossible to find jobs in AZ at all in most majors...I don't mind leaving the state, but it's tough on alot of my friends who don't want to uproot their families.

And Chandler has really taken off in the past couple of years, with tons of new restaurants and a mall. It's been dubbed the "younger Scottsdale". AND we have the best ice cream substitute in the whole United States....lol, theres a place called Angel Sweet which serves like 30 flavors of gelato, and many are dairy free (my fav is banana, but I'm a banana nut...except for those fake banana flavors, like Laffy Taffy, eeewwww).....the owner knows us by name! I've tried a few others, and this is the closest to the gelato I had in Italy...he rotates the flavors, and makes it fresh daily...and its so much more creamier than ice cream and less fattening, I'm surprised it hasnt taken the country by storm. He's gonna start expanding, and who knows...I may be able to say, I knew Angel Sweet when....

Oh how I go off on tangents! I should probably move this to the living room...

-Heather





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Go steather! new
      #38464 - 01/17/04 07:36 PM
Kree

Reged: 10/08/03
Posts: 3748
Loc: Northern NY

I hadn't gotten a chance to do the math yet, but I see you beat me to it! So it is way over 25%?? Yikes, I guess that means my quick guesstimates aren't accurate. Thanks professor Kandee for pointing that out to me! I'll have to be more careful in the future! Does this mean I don't get an A?? Lol.

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Re: Go steather! new
      #38488 - 01/17/04 08:14 PM
Kandee

Reged: 05/22/03
Posts: 3206
Loc: USA, Southern California

Kristen,

No darlin', you don't get an A but you do get an "E" for Effort!!!! LOL
Luv ya anyway, (you have to know that) but I had a hunch your 1/4 theory just wouldn't work, so I crunched the numbers. See how deceiving some things can be? Actually I was surprised it wasn't a higher percent than 36. Nonetheless, that's too high for us, as the original recipe stands.

I'm making your crème of chicky soup tomorrow and maybe the gingerbread muffins….that is if I don't make myself sick tonight and bring on an attack from wallowing in a gluten free/ IBS safe zucchini bread a friend brought me today. I've had 4 slices already!!!!

Ms. Prof Piggy



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Re: Go steather! new
      #38497 - 01/17/04 08:44 PM
joanmarie

Reged: 11/09/03
Posts: 667
Loc: iowa

Did you get that recipe yet???!!!

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Give Heather an A new
      #38498 - 01/17/04 08:48 PM
Kandee

Reged: 05/22/03
Posts: 3206
Loc: USA, Southern California

Wow Heather, Alumni Bud, Good call!!!

You really DID take the bait!!! You were right on the money, 36% it was! Congratulations!!!! Can't believe you went ahead and recommended alternative ingredients, but then, you ARE conscientious. (That little time bomb has a few years yet to go off that makes you an "Old ASU Crone Rebel".)

The evaporated milk sub was a good, no great, call. You're right about the butter (just ain't nothing like it) but to make it dairy free (and in some circles, believe it or not, they don't consider butter dairy) you'd have to use a soy or rice butter alternative for part of it and possibly an applesauce or prune base substance for the rest, as you suggested. I've never tried the butter subs so I don't know how they react in cookie recipes. I have a problem with that since the original calls for handling the dough so much that I would think anything other than THAT amount of butter wouldn't work. I don't know, maybe oil would suffice. Here is another thing no one seemed to noticed. I do believe, in the "days of old" that instead of evaporated milk, which they just didn't have, they used real cream, straight out of the cow. That too would boost the fat levels but in those days fat was not an issue.

I'm getting wrapped around the axle here, so will get off the stage.

Thanks again for tackling that quiz I put forth. See, it really wasn't that hard after all, was it??…………

For that you have an "A+".

Kandee
(PS---I just picked up your reply about what's going on with ASU and your area…thanks heaps…………..that does it, next time I'm in Phx, and on a trip to AZ Mills with friends, I'm going farther to Angel Sweet! Just HAVE to try that place!!!)



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Re: Go steather! new
      #38499 - 01/17/04 08:52 PM
Kandee

Reged: 05/22/03
Posts: 3206
Loc: USA, Southern California

Hi Joan, Yes I have it. She gave it to me with the bread, but I don't have it typed up yet. Want me to e-mail it to you when I do?

Kandee

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