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BEV, I'M WAITING....... -nt- new
      #89111 - 07/12/04 01:29 PM
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LS, in Bevrs' defense.... new
      #89119 - 07/12/04 01:39 PM
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i don't think she's been online since earlier when this thread started. i've been goofing off online most of the day and haven't seen her since then.

maybe she found some Jack left over from the other day!?

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WOW *exhale* new
      #89120 - 07/12/04 01:40 PM
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You guys have some pretty edgy posts! It's very inspiring, however, and I guess I'm just not quite old enough to have a really big one like you guys do. Reading these shows that no matter what happens to you or what you get yourself into, you can almost always get back on track!

SO, if I think of anything, I'll letcha know.

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wow Jen...as an adoptive mom new
      #89132 - 07/12/04 03:31 PM
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your story touches me. Both of my kids birthmothers families knew about the babies and the choice to place them for adoption. They are also welcome to write my kids anytime. I hope what ever arrangements you made are ones that you are at peace with. I am in awe...

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Re: LS, in Bevrs' defense.... new
      #89135 - 07/12/04 03:46 PM
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I know, sweetums. I'm just giving her grief!!

Awright, I was struck speechless by your share, Jen. What an incredible thing to go through. Do you know the song, "Little Green" by Joni Mitchell? It's about giving up her child for adoption. She was finally reunited with her daughter just a few years ago. They had both been searching and finally connected.

Okay, I don't want to do this, but I guess I have to. My deepest darkest secret is that I'm mumblemumblegaymumblemumble.

Ohmigoodness my hands are shaking. I'm outta here. I'm terrified.

Later.

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Re: LS, in Bevrs' defense.... new
      #89142 - 07/12/04 04:18 PM
chinagrl

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Hey, LS honey, you don't have to tell people anything if you don't want to. And I'm confused, I thought you were married?

But you're brave to tell us anyway.

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Whew! [Heavy Sigh]. Okay, Here Goes...... new
      #89144 - 07/12/04 04:30 PM
Bevvy

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Here's the post everyone missed except our Miss Jen: web page

It's true. It's my horrible, painful secret. It's a very long story, so I won't go into it any more than that. For most of my life I thought I was a freak of nature; it wasn't until I was 38 that I learned there are a few other females with my same condition. It's very rare, one in every 600,000 females are born with this. We were all males when we were conceived and something terrible went wrong in the womb. The support website I used to belong to long ago was most depressing; many females committed suicide.

You know what guys, you all have made me feel so much better. I'm blown away by what we have all gone through and lived to tell about. I swear that's why we're so strong. Thank you ALL for sharing your most intimate secrets; I have great respect for all of you.

Bev

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Re: Whew! [Heavy Sigh]. Okay, Here Goes...... new
      #89152 - 07/12/04 05:05 PM
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Wow, you just blew my little confession out of the water. That's AMAZING, Bev! I've read a little about gender issues like that, enough to know that you must have gone through hell before learning about it and coming to terms with it. I wondered why you were sterile, as you've mentioned a couple times. Now I understand.

Makes my realization at the age of 42 or so after 15 plus years of marriage that I'm attracted to women not men seem like pretty small potatoes.

I think the kick I got out of sex with men was just about them being attracted to me and wanting something from me. Never had the big O. Not once with guys, only by myself. I kept it secret from my hubby, sweetie pie, Andy for several more years, but finally came out to him a couple years ago. After working up my courage for months, I finally was able to blurt out the words to him, "I'm gay." You'll never in a million years guess what he said. Without a moment's hesitation he said, "No, you're not." Like a mom saying to a kid who says "I'm hungry." "No, you're not." It cracked me up and made me furious all at the same time.

And he's still in denial about it. He thinks that it's just a phase that will blow over or that I'm really bisexual, not a lesbian. Anyway, we haven't had sex in years. I negotiated a sabbatical shortly after realizing I was gay, and bless his heart he hasn't made an issue of it.

Now here's the beauty part. I haven't kissed a girl either. I've had plenty of opportunities, I do live in NYC after all, and there's a lesbian bar about 9 blocks from here!! I wouldn't even have to cross the avenue. But I have some very strong spiritual beliefs and one of them is to honor my marriage vows. I will NEVER cheat on Andy. As long as I'm still married to him, it's strictly look but don't touch! But if anything should happen, my next relationship will be with a woman.

Jenny (Chinagrl), as far as you and anyone else who was confused by the fact that I'm married, all I can say is, so was Eleanor Roosevelt, so was Virginia Woolf, so was Tom Cruise, so is David Bowie (to Iman the model -- I'd marry her in a heartbeat), so was Cole Porter, so was Alexander Hamilton, so was Frida Kahlo, so was Laurence Olivier, so was Franz Schubert, so are a million other people. And I haven't exactly been forthcoming about it, so any confusion is totally my fault!

Bev, Jen, Michelle, Jenny, EVERYBODY that posted here today, I applaud your courage, your honesty, and your strength. We have all in our own way overcome tremendous obstacles. A friend of mine says that "We're only as sick as our secrets." So by telling our secrets here today we've all cast our votes for health, guilt-free, shame-free, open and honest health!

Good for us! And I'll drink a Jack to that!!

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Re: Whew! [Heavy Sigh]. Okay, Here Goes......
      #89160 - 07/12/04 05:16 PM
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I don't even know what to say to all of that, except that I just want to hug you. It sounds like your relationship with Andy is amiable and pleasant enough, but still... I can't even imagine living with someone who's in total denial about something that IS who you ARE, and everything else that entails (not meeting women, etc). Wow. I really am kind of speechless... not because it's all that shocking (it isn't, not at all, at least to me), but because of your courage, honesty and strength (I couldn't have put it any better).

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Re: Whew! [Heavy Sigh]. Okay, Here Goes......
      #89164 - 07/12/04 05:23 PM
chinagrl

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Wow. Just wow. First off, as a feminist scholar I know that sex and gender are just artifical constructions made up to maintain a dominant patriarchy. No one's really a woman or a man, anyway. I know that sounds like a bunch of scholarly crap, but I really do believe it.

Second off, LS, what a horrible position to be in. It's not that I don't understand that you can be gay and married, it's just that I'm from a different generation. Since people are more accepting these days, that happens less.

What courage you all have to confess that! And, LS, what courage you had to tell Andy. It's too bad, though not unexpected, that he would respond like that.

You guys are inspirational. I'm proud to be your friend, even if just on the internet.

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