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Feeling awful - fibro
      #70053 - 05/13/04 08:32 AM
LauraSue

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Hi everybody.
I woke up feeling awful due to a flare up in my fibro. Didn't sleep well last night. I get bad night sweats when I'm PMS and woke up in the wee hours soaked and shivering. Not conducive to a restful night's sleep! So I'm taking it easy today. I'm already back in bed with the heating pad -- I have a close and personal relationship with my heating pad! I'll feel better later and tomorrow I'll be fine again (that's a fibro fine, not a normal fine, though). In terms of the scale my husband and I came up with I'm a 3 at the moment which means "pretty sick." Later today I'll make it back to a 5 "baseline functional." Yesterday I made it all the way to a 7, "kinda sorta ok."

So I won't be posting much today. See you all tomorrow.

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Re: Feeling awful - fibro new
      #70059 - 05/13/04 08:48 AM
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Sorry your not feeling well hun.... you take care of you and we will see tomorrow. BIG HUGS.....

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Oh poor you LS! Get better soon honey. -nt new
      #70061 - 05/13/04 08:55 AM
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Oh poor you LS! Get better soon honey.

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Re: Feeling awful - fibro new
      #70107 - 05/13/04 10:37 AM
jenX

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Hey, LS. Sorry you're not doing well.

Talk to you tomorrow, I hope. But if you don't see me, don't worry. I've got to go back to work tomorrow and I think I'm in training all day. Don't know if I'll have time to log on.

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Feel better, LauraSue! See ya tomorrow--nt new
      #70110 - 05/13/04 10:44 AM
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Oh, the comfort of a heating pad....feel better soon. -nt- new
      #70151 - 05/13/04 12:34 PM
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Hope tomorrow is a better day for you.... new
      #70229 - 05/13/04 04:56 PM
Kandee

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and you're up to an 8, 9, or 10.
It's just awful you have these bad days........both with fibro and IBS, however....don't you wish you could control the fibro the same way you've been able to do the IBS?

I too, feel like c**p. The head aches and dizziness, well, more just the headaches now..........it's all thyroiditis realated and just has to run it's course. I can take naproxen for the headaches but they make me sleepy so have to do that at night, and then it only dulls it, doesn't take it away.........upper neck muscles sore, again the thyroidits thing.........darn!!!

I'm wishing you'll be back tomorrow full of P and V (as Gerry calls it.......but you know what it is).

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fibro runs rampant new
      #70231 - 05/13/04 05:23 PM
jenX

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what a horrible coiincidence. you're sick, Kandee, LS is sick, i know my pal TB isn't doing well. i haven't seen Linzy-dear on here.... and i'm having a TERRIBLE day. first migraine i've had in months, horrible IBS today, really weak muscles and bad stomach pain (not IBS pain, but stomach pain). what a joy.

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Re: Feeling awful - fibro new
      #70238 - 05/13/04 05:58 PM
Bevvy

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Hope you're gettin' some sleep right now, Girlfriend. And I hope when you wake up tomorrow you'll be a lot better.

I'm thinkin' boutcha.

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Good Grief new
      #70241 - 05/13/04 06:02 PM
Bevvy

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I miss all you guys. Dang. Come on, daggnabbit, GET BETTER!

Gee, I'm feelin' pretty good. I should thank my lucky stars, eh? No worms for me.


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Bevrs new
      #70243 - 05/13/04 06:07 PM
jenX

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glad you're doing better.

i was worried about you.

how's the sewing? lemme tell ya, the only only only good thing about getting sick (besides playing on the boards!) is my knitting. i think i'm a little bit in love with it! i just revamped a purse pattern and made it "my own." gonna felt it in the washer and use that baby... er... just as soon as i'm able to leave the house.

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EH? new
      #70248 - 05/13/04 06:21 PM
Bevvy

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(Quote): "gonna felt it in the washer and use that baby... " (Unquote)

Okay, I give. Do you mean it's wool yarn? And you're gonna wash it in the machine to "felt" it? So then it's "tougher" wool, as would be needed for a purse?

Help me out here.... ?

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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #70254 - 05/13/04 06:48 PM
Linz

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Hey, I'm here! It wasn't Fibro, but a run-of-the-mill lurgie! Still not feeling 100%, but I way better than I do with a Fibro attack, so I'm enjoying that!

Had to miss work last night tho...long story.

Like that'd stop me telling you! Well, I was feeling pretty crappy Tuesday and I knew I was supposed to work Wednesday night. So my plan for Tuesday was to have a lie-in, go to the new house and do a few things, then pick up some food and go home for a nap before work. Started off well, but then I got to the new house and found we'd been BURGLED! We've only had the house 2 weeks! They'd nicked some power tools, my brand-new kettle, our mini-fridge and some chocolate biscuits! Including my dairy-free ones! So I couldn't even have a cup of tea and a biscuit to cheer my self up . Very annoying.

But that all meant that I had to stay at the house all day waiting for the police, locksmith (we thought at first that they'd got in with a key, but it's turned out they'd jemmied a window )...etc. So by the time I was supposed to go to work, I was dead on my feet. Luckily my boss was great and my colleague covered my work .

But anyway...THAT'S why I haven't been around!

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BURGLARY! new
      #70328 - 05/14/04 06:39 AM
Bevvy

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I'd never have found your post, Linz. I thought this thread was all about fibro.

Linz, I'm SOOOO sorry. How horrible to be burglarized. They must have known you had some great stuff when you moved in. I can't believe they stole your teapot!

Okay, I know it's not funny to be burglarized, but did you happen to see the episode on "Bob & Margaret" in which they were burglarized and the burglars stole their teapot? Bob got the brilliant idea to "pad" the insurance claim, against Margaret's better judgment, and the claim ended up including all kinds of big items, such as stereo, TV (and, yes, a new teapot). Even though the only honest item was the teapot, the "bobbies" believed the big items were taken but were very suspicious about the teapot. After all, who would take a teapot?!

Anyway, the insurance company paid off, and Bob & Margaret bought all new stuff -- BIG stuff -- TV, stereo, etc. They made a huge mistake, though, and left the empty shipping boxes on the sidewalk for the garbage pickup. The robbers spotted the empty boxes, realizing all the good stuff they stole had been replaced with new, and the closing scene showed them RE-BURGLARIZING the joint!

(By the way, the cops ultimately found the stolen teapot at a yard sale -- and bought it!)

So Linz, be careful when you buy all new stuff -- don't leave the evidence on the sidewalk!

Bev

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Re: Hope tomorrow is a better day for you.... new
      #70345 - 05/14/04 08:06 AM
LauraSue

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Kandee, So sorry you're not feeling well either. That really stinks. Any better today??

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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #70347 - 05/14/04 08:12 AM
LauraSue

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Jen, your IBS still hasn't settled down from last weekend? That s--ks. And a migraine on top of it. Life is just NOT FAIR sometimes.
Hope you're feeling better today.

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So Guys -- How YUUUU Dew-in? new
      #70348 - 05/14/04 08:24 AM
Bevvy

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How YAWL doin'? Jamie? Jen? LS? Tarabara? Kandee? Anyone else? Good grief.

It's a gorgeous day, it's the start of the weekend, the hills are green and lush, the sky's clear and blue, the birds are singing ..... so how 'bout it, guys?

How YUUUU dew-in?

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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #70352 - 05/14/04 08:35 AM
LauraSue

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Linz -- HOW AWFUL to be burglarized before you even move in. As I just said to Jen, sometimes life is just NOT FAIR!!

Okay, and finally some Britspeak I'm not familiar with -- "lurgie"?? Definition, please?!

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Dew-in GREAT!!!! new
      #70418 - 05/14/04 10:40 AM
barbie

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Hi Bev,

Glad to hear you are feeling good today.
Happy to say I have been IBS free for 9 days now. YIPPEE!!!!
After several days of downpours, today the sun is finally peeking through.....anyway, it's a great day. I'm starting to enjoy any day that I feel good....I don't care what the weather is doing! I am watching "The Bold & the Beautiful" as I type this. I can't help it but I am hooked.

Have a great weekend
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Nine Days Stable! new
      #70421 - 05/14/04 10:46 AM
Bevvy

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Yaay Barbie! Good job. Now keep it up, Girlfriend.

Thanks -- and you have a great weekend too!

Bev

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Nine Days!! That's GREAT!!! -nt- new
      #70479 - 05/14/04 01:16 PM
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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #70506 - 05/14/04 02:55 PM
jenX

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that stinks, Linz. sorry that happened to you.

that makes me angry!

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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #70508 - 05/14/04 03:00 PM
jenX

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thanks, LS. i am feeling better today, IBS-wise and migraine-wise. i don't know what's going on, 'cause i haven't had a problem with my IBS all year 'til this past weekend (well, i am not counting the C that came from the meds...). and i haven't had a migraine in just as long. then in one week- SLAM. both.

ah well, that's ok. i'm better today, just very weak-feeling. made myself take a walk anyway. don't know that i feel better, but maybe i'll sleep a little bit harder tonight.

not going out tonight- i put myself on a "timeout" for not going to work today. maybe i'll go do something fun tomorrow. i'd like to go see a few movies. maybe i'll make it a movie weekend. can't wait to see Troy. (too many hotties in one movie! maybe i ought to wait 'til i'm feeling stronger! )

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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #70524 - 05/14/04 03:52 PM
LauraSue

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Don't worry, you're just still recovering from last weekend. One of the things I've learned is that for every hour of effort I need an hour of rest now. That means that a day in the sun needs a day in bed. A day of D needs a day in bed. A day with a migraine needs a day in bed. You get the idea. And it's not as bad as it sounds. I always have a Plan A and a Plan B. Plan A is I get to do this, that and that. Plan B is I GET TO GO BACK TO BED, YAY!!!!! What's so wrong with that?!

Good for you for going for a walk. I do hope it helps you sleep better tonight. The worst thing is to get in a downward deconditioning spiral of it hurts, I can't move, it hurts, I can't move, it hurts, now I REALLY can't move. Never force yourself to walk farther than you can or you'll pay though. I walk in five minute circles around our building, because I never know when I'm going to fade and I NEVER want to be more than five minutes from my bed (when I'm walking I mean!!).

Anyway, I'm rambling. Hope you feel even better tomorrow. As my hubby always reminds me, this too shall pass.

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JenX, LS, Linz and all with fibro....I have no idea how you do it......... new
      #70551 - 05/14/04 06:06 PM
Kandee

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get thru a day that is. How do you live with the aches and pains, the migraines, the headaches, the brain fog????? Oh, the symptoms just go on and on.............It is mind blowing, and I have such deep sympathetic emotions reading your posts. Never, ever had I felt like such a lump, a miserable one at that. Guess I'm just bummed. I went to my primary yesterday and my blood lab work results were WORSE than a month ago and the white blood count up. I don't have an appointment with this fancy, shmancy Endo until June 7. He's out of the country learning more. (And here I was hoping he knew it all, already...LOL.) Anyway, there is just nothing that can be done until this rides it's self out...........and that could take up to 6 months and the reoccurrance rate is high if I get another viral/bacterial infection. Now I see my other doc on Mon....the one that diagnosed the subacute thyroiditis to begin with to see the OTHER lab report, complete with the antibody numbers. I'm hoping they went down but don't hold any hopes.....the one a month ago were higher than this doc had EVER seen........8,000 (and the normal range is 0-40). It's the headache that is 24/7 that gets me the most............I'm trying anything and everything, but it is caused by the thyroiditis and now going from hyper to hypo. The only good thing about going back to hypo now is the arrythmias are gone. In the meantime ordered to rest and not exercise, so the weight is piling on even with reduced calorie intake. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just feeling sorry for myself right now so needed to vent.

Then yesterday read a disturbing article on how Fibro and Celiac and hypothyroidism all can go together..........and the hypo and the fibro can actually be caused by undiagnosed Celiac. I've been wheat allergic for just over 25 years but not as strict about it as I should be the last couple of years. Did it come to bite me in the butt? Who knows........anyway, I guess the biggest frustration is the headaches and the time this thing may need to run it's course...................darn. Thanks for reading my tale of self pity..........I'm normally a stiff-upper-lip, learn-to-live-with-it type of person, never one for a pity party.

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I hope everyone is finally feeling better!! new
      #70558 - 05/14/04 06:48 PM
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You guys need to start feeling better NOW! You guys are all to nice to be this sick for this long!! But where is Tarabara, anyway? It's been nearly a week!

You guys better get well soon!



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Re: I hope everyone is finally feeling better!! new
      #70566 - 05/14/04 07:27 PM
Kandee

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Thanks Peaches, I hope we do too. You know, whenever I get real down I go and read the posts on the Crohn's Disease and Colitis Board and it makes me count my blessings.
My complaints seem a drop in the bucket compared to what those folks have to live thru.

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Britspeak new
      #70578 - 05/15/04 02:27 AM
Linz

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Lurgie (sp?) = bug = virus?

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Re: Feeling awful - fibro new
      #70582 - 05/15/04 02:46 AM
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What is Fibro?????I,m leaning more things , Gerry

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Re: Hope tomorrow is a better day for you.Kandee/////... new
      #70583 - 05/15/04 02:59 AM
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kandee. haven,t been feeling very good my self.full of you know what.does any one beside me do this.I won,t go for 2 or 3 days then on the 3 day I,ll go all morning.first I,ll be c-then it get sofer-an then at the end it is d.then I,m done for another 2or 3 days.I take Acacia 3teas.in the morning 3 teas.at supper.altoghter it is 2 tbs. Gerry

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      #70584 - 05/15/04 03:02 AM
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you poor baby,hope you are feeling better.take care of your self. Gerry

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Re: Feeling awful - fibro new
      #70598 - 05/15/04 07:23 AM
Janey

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This is a little late, I haven't really been on the boards all week. I hope that you are feeling much better today.

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Fibro: more than you ever wanted to know. (in honor, belatedly, of fibro awareness day) LONG POST. new
      #70633 - 05/15/04 09:28 AM
jenX

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i think i explained this before but can't find the link. (?!) maybe i can do it better today! (and with any luck, i'll remember to toggle it as a favorite so i can find it next time!)

ok, here goes.... buckle your seat belt!

FIBRO
fibromyalgia (AKA "fibro" or FMS or ME -Myalgic Encephalomyelitis- in England and the rest of the world) is a chronic pain and fatigue illness. "chronic" means it's not going anywhere. ever. however, it can be controlled and, according to some, sent into "remission." it's "non-progressive," which doesn't mean what it sounds like it means. it doesn't mean fibro will never get worse. unfortunately, it does get worse for some people. "non-progressive" means it's not gonna kill ya. (reassuring, but also not. IBS is also "non-progressive." at times you may wish it would kill you, but it won't!) fibro is not technically a "disease." to be labelled a disease, an illness has to actually have some kind of destruction involved. fibro doesn't actually destroy muscles, tendons, ligaments. it just feels like it does.

YES, I SHOWER.
let me start closer to the beginning.... fibro patients have overwhelming pain and fatigue. when i say "fatigue," i don't mean we're lazy or sleepy or a little worn out. imagine the worst flu you ever had--- the one where you couldn't lift your head and things were kinda fuzzy and reading a magazine was difficult. dragging yourself to the bathroom to pee was an ordeal, and taking a shower sounded like running a marathon, so you just skipped it. fibro is like that, but worse. (umkay, yes- i shower! daily!)

FATIGUE
fibro fatigue is a deep, uncontrollable exhaustion, but it's also muscle weakness, too. sometimes fatigue is right after exertion (even minor exertion- the kind you don't think of as exertion at all!). for example, i was in a flare a few weeks ago and eventually built up enough strength to go to the bookstore. i walked around for 45 minutes or so, carrying a fashion magazine. towards the end i also picked up a small paperback novel. then i went home. i took a 2 1/2 hour nap to recover and for 2 days my arms hurt from carrying that magazine and book. other times, fibro exhastion comes from out of nowhere, seemingly. like IBS, stress could have triggered it, but stress does not cause fibro just as stress does not cause IBS. it's an aggravating factor for both syndromes, indeed, but not causal.

PAIN or... HOW I MADE MY BEST FRIEND CRY
ah, the pain, you ask? well, that's a great big barrel of fun. scientifically speaking: fibro patients have a lower pain threshold and abnormal pain response. what this means is if you and i (assuming you're not a fibro chick/dude) get hooked up to EEGs and then are given the exact same mild pain stimuli (say... a prick with a needle)(no, that wasn't a doctor joke), your brain waves will reflect a minor jump in patterns that doctors recognize as "pain." my brain waves!? well, they'll go wild. see... the pain is not "all in my head" as some people believe- you can tell! the proof is right there in my head! then there's the really tricky part: not only do i find things more painful than you, but i also react to non-painful stimuli as if it were painful. again, tested and proven in a lab. believe it or not (and i do believe it), despite all this, fibromyalgics often have a higher pain tolerance than our non-fibro friends. weird? i agree, but maybe it's 'cause of all the pain, all the time. who knows? so really, if your fibro friend is floored by pain, i'd wonder what it might do to a non-fibro person. (case in point, my friends marvel at the fact that i don't consider bikini waxes painful! they're not that bad, really, all things considered! i felt like a sent a lamb to the slaughter when i convinced my best friend to go for one. i told her it wasn't that bad. she cried. oops!)

MY THEORY: IBS AND FIBRO MAY BE RELATED.... IN A WAY.
neorotransmitters... well, some of 'em... deal with pain and its perception. in IBS, because of the way the GI tract in IBS patients is working (or not, depending on how you want to look at it!), gas or contractions that IBS patients experience as painful are not perceived that way by non-IBS patients. is it in your head? no. you are experiencing the pain, it cannot be denied! the same holds true for fibromyalgia. my theory is that a new neurotransmitter (or new function of an existing neurotransmitter) will be discovered and explain why in fibro and IBS (and chronic fatigue syndrome) non-pain stimuli is perceived as painful and painful stimuli is perceived as more painful than in non-patients, in some cases, profoundly. (note: it appears that "messing with" seratonin levels can impact both IBS and fibro, though it doesn't really cure it or even make it 80% better in most cases. seratonin is....you guessed it! a neurotransmitter! i think once we find the right neurotransmitter or combo of them, we'll be on our way to better pain management in these illnesses.
DISCLAIMER: i did not say that IBS is caused by fibromyalgia. it is not. nor is fibromyalgia caused by IBS. many fibromyalgics have IBS, so you'll see us on the boards. there is no reason to believe at all that having IBS predisposes you to having fibromyalgia. i repeat: having IBS does not mean at all that you will get fibromyalgia!

IN CASE I DIDN'T MENTION THE PAIN....
fibro pain is shooting, stabbing, cramping, dull, sharp... all the things you expect from pain. the trick with fibro pain is this: it moves! (YIPPEE! what fun!) i may have a migraine today, but tomorrow my knee is killing me. i may be stiff every morning when i wake up or after sitting in the same position for a while (um... try 5 minutes!) or being in a draft. Wednesday, my hips hurt and my arms are weak. Thursday i feel fine (except for the usual aches that are always present in fibromyalgics). my IBS flares next Monday through Friday, with a bonus back spasm that knocks me off my feet on Wednesday. see? fun, huh? THE BEST PART: mostly, pain meds don't help! "WHAT!?" you yell, "how could you been in that much pain all the time with no relief!? surely [insert prescription suggestion here] will help!" NOPE, not really. sometimes it can take the edge off, but really for the most part, you've gotta rest, and exercise, and take pain meds and sleep meds and maybe a seratonin-booster and get massage therapy and other PT and.... yes, lots of things put together and eventually you may reduce some of the pain, some of the time. ask Laura Sue how well her migraine meds helped her migraine that lasted weeks last month. (poor LS! )

IS IT FOGGY IN HERE, OR IS IT ME? or... WHERE I PRETEND I'M SUMMARIZING AS IF TO END THIS LONG POST, BUT I REALLY AM NOT.
wow, i talk a lot! last up: fibro has many other lovely bits about it. you may hear tell of "fibro-fog." because fibro is a disruption of the central nervous system (neurotransmitters work in the CNS, pain is a function of the CNS), some mental ("cognitive") treats come into play. fibro-fog ranges from forgetting a word when talking or writing or thinking ("aphasia") to getting lost in your own house. yes, that can happen. putting the (soy)milk in the cupboard, the cereal in the fridge: fibro-fog. losing your keys daily: fibro-fog. forgetting your sibling's name: fibro-fog. finding daytime TV too confusing to follow, a fashion magazine confusing: fibro-fog. forgetting someone's name after being introduced to him: fibro-fog. (Funny story: my best friend met a guy when we were out a few weeks ago. they've been writing emails back and forth while he was out of town and are going to go out when he gets back. i can't for the life of me remember the dude's name. in fact, i just now called to ask again - she thinks my fibro is funny sometimes. it is! anyway, his name is Gene, in case you were curious. i'll forget that in a few minutes)walking into a room and realizing you have no idea why you're there: fibro-fog. "but," you say, "that happens to me!" of course, it's called humanity. but for fibromyalgics, it happens a lot and frequently and it can be scary. imagine driving down the highway you take to work everyday and suddenly feeling lost. yes, scary. fibro-fog!

TO SLEEP, PERCHANCE, TO DREAM.
some people think that disordered sleep is responsible for fibro (and chronic fatigue syndrome). i agree that it is, in part, though i think those pesky neurotransmitters are the cause of the sleep disruption, but no one asked me, did they!? some fibromyalgics are insomniacs (from the pain, maybe, but it could be just plain old insomnia, too). some wake up multiple times in the middle of the night (often feeling like they have to urinate), some wake really early, others can't get to sleep. some of us sleep really really lightly. here's the trick: i believe (so do many researchers) that fibromyalgics aren't getting Stage 4 sleep, in which your body does it's regenerating. that's the deep sleep where you're not even dreaming (that's REM sleep/Stage 1 sleep where your mind repairs itself. didn't know you were so busy in your sleep, now didja!?). i'm keeping this brief (the sleep bit, not the whole shebang), but really sleep is a big thing that deserves its own million-page book! i'll spare you that.

SO WHAT DO I WANT YOU TO DO ABOUT IT!?
so there's fatigue, pain, cognitive disruptions, sleep problems.... i didn't even get into allergies (food and pollen and all kinds of others) and chemical sensitivities (allergies and sensitivities are quite a big deal, really, but i'll spare you that)... oh, and last but not least: discrimination! some people (sadly, even doctors) think fibromyalgia is not real, that fibromyalgics are hysterical, dramatic, hypochondriacs, or just neurotic. "how can they- especially the doctors- think that when you say there are scientific studies that prove it's existence!?" you ask. BRILLIANT QUESTION! unfortunately, not all doctors keep up on their reading. not all doctors will treat fibromyalgics (subquestion: why!? because it's not really treatable. you can make a patient more comfortable--- sometimes, but it never really goes away. doctors get frustrated by that! um... so do the patients!). doctors and other skeptics think since fibromyalgics look fine, and don't have actual broken things or strained things or even twisty, swollen things that can be seen, palpated (felt), or viewed on an xray or in a bloodtest, then they're making it up or being dramatic. what would we fibromyalgics like ya'll ("YAWL", Bevrs) to do? back us up. if you know someone who has fibro, just ask them a few questions, listen to them. and if you're convinced we're not nuts, then come to our defense if you ever hear someone say fibro is all in someone's head!

HERE'S THE THING...
here's the thing: we are all in pain, we fibromyalgics. but we try not to whine or complain. you wanna know the truth? i've been in pain for years and never ever thought it was abnormal. ('til i got diagnosed. now i feel a little ripped off!) i thought all of you had painful joints and were stiff in the morning and achy after you vaccuumed. really, i did. sure, i had migraines, but so do a lot of people, ditto the IBS and allergies and good gosh- who isn't tired!? i just thought i was a) unlucky enough to have all these things together and b) a wimp who was (internally) a big baby and a whiner. really! i thought i had a low tolerance for pain! why else would i have to sleep for 2 days after helping a friend move? i thought i was a drama queen deep down inside (see, we can even be prejudiced against ourselves!). so i didn't whine out loud or complain. i still try not to, though i am a skosh bitter (i'm only newly diagnosed, that will go away, i swear!). how did i get diagnosed? the fatigue and fibro-fog in my ever increasingly frequent flares drove me almost mad. i was missing work (lots) and really quite frantic. did i ever connect that with the pain? NO. the doc was smart and tested my tender points and lo and behold- fibro. ("tender points???" you ask, "what are they?" NO- DO NOT ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR THIS POST WILL NEVER END! suffice it to say that tender points are a -fallable and non-precise- diagnostic tool for doctors involving "typical" and predictable pain patterns in the bodies of fibromyalgics.)

WHAT'S THIS!? A CONCLUSION!? or .... GOD GOD I THINK SHE'S ALMOST DONE!
so... sorry so wordy. but there's what fibro is. or really, there's the tip of the iceburg, believe it or not. thanks for reading it (or skimming it, or pretending you read it!). it's kinda therapeutic for me to write it all out and think that i'm educating some people about this thing i never understood but knew intimately all along.



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      #70636 - 05/15/04 09:36 AM
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... and the hypo and the fibro can actually be caused by undiagnosed Celiac....




where did you read that!?

i've been reading everything and everything i can get my hands on about fibro and never saw that.

i have read, though, that fibromyalgics develop sensitivities, and sometimes that's to wheat. celiac causing fibro, i've never read that.

i'd be interested in seeing the article you read!

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      #70638 - 05/15/04 09:39 AM
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she's at a cousin's graduation (i think she said cousin) and took the last day or two off of the boards to rest 'cause she's been feeling so crappy. she wanted to kinda gather her strength for the weekend, since it will be long and demanding for her.

she's actually only been off-boards for 2 and a half days.... seems like longer 'cause she's such a sweetie and we all miss her!

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JenX - That was magnificent!!! new
      #70666 - 05/15/04 11:25 AM
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Once again, JenX, you have hit the target perfectly. I agree with EVERY SINGLE WORD. Beautifully put, sweetie.

Well, except, actually, some days I DON'T have the energy to shower. Last time I had the flu I don't think I showered every day either!! However, I DO shower before I leave the house, I promise!

One other thing, from what I've read, when fibro is diagnosed in your 20's or 30's you have a VERY good chance of symptom improvement or even "remission." Unfortunately, I didn't get diagnosed until my health collapsed completed two months before my 50th birthday. I'm actually too sick to work anymore. Had to quit my successful career of 26 years and walk away from a six-figure paycheck. Of course we're suing for disability, but thank god we have the financial resources so that I don't have to work. God forbid anything happens to my hubby though. He's my lifeline right now.

Also, everyone, remember, fibromyalgia AND IBS are both covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which means if your company employs more than a certain number of people (15? 25? fibro fog?), they are required BY LAW to make reasonable accommodations for your illness. Also the FMLA (Family and Medical Leave Act) says you can take up to six months (I think) of unpaid leave without losing your job. AND it can be intermittent days (such as for fibro flares or IBS attacks) rather than all at once (such as for a new baby or back surgery).

Okay, I shut up now.... Again, great job, JenX.

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      #70672 - 05/15/04 11:39 AM
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Kandee, I'm so sorry to hear you're having such a tough time right now. I've had my "miserable lump" phases too and all I can guarantee is that "This too shall pass." Wow, daily headaches are enough to kick anyone's butt. I have no idea how YOU do it. When I was getting a migraine every day there for a week or so, I was just useless. Hey, if anyone in the world is entitled to feel a little sorry for ourselves once in a while, it's ANY of us who deal with not just one chronic health problem (IBS) but two, or three, or four!! I suggested a while back that we have an animated party hat that we pass back and forth to who ever needs to have a pity party for a day. You know, like that old TV show, Queen for a Day!

Kandee, honey, you just vent as much as often as you want to!! We know you'll be back to your sassy self soon!! No biggee!!

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Re: Fibro: more than you ever wanted to know. (in honor, belatedly, of fibro awareness day) LONG POST. new
      #70676 - 05/15/04 12:27 PM
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Thank you jenx I made a copy of it.I was thinking it was my age.an I,m tired of doctor telling me the pain is all in my head.but still give me pain pills for the pain.some time I think I,m going crazy I hurt so bad.can,t even lay down because then my feet an legs hurt. Gerry

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      #70679 - 05/15/04 12:43 PM
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Hey, if anyone in the world is entitled to feel a little sorry for ourselves once in a while, it's ANY of us who deal with not just one chronic health problem (IBS) but two, or three, or four!!



Amen to that! Kandee, hun, I'm so sorry you're in such low spirits. Yes, having a headache 24/7 will do that to ya. My dad used to ask me if my head hurt and would just glare at him and say, "Why did you ask that? I haven't had a pain-free day in x number of days/months/years". Ok, so now we have the same conversation about my tummy(and my head too, esp. in the summer. I can't take the heat and it's migraine city in my house, since my mom gets migraines from heat too). My poor dad, he just can't win can he?! Everyone he loves is in pain and nothin' he can do about it. However, I digress.
My point is Kandee, that I feel for you and you have more than enough reason to complain. I find that expressing my feelings helps me cope better with chronic illnesses. But, I don't have nearly as much going on as you do. I don't know how YOU do it!

Go have a smoothie, it will distract you AND might help your head out a little. Do you have a headache band? If not, get one ASAP and put it in your freezer. Big hug!

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Re: Fibro: more than you ever wanted to know. (in honor, belatedly, of fibro awareness day) LONG POST. new
      #70683 - 05/15/04 01:28 PM
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Gerry, I was going to add to JenX's excellent description that fibromyalgia is a fairly new name for something that's been around forever. It's what your mother and grandmother and maybe you too used to call rheumatism. I remember my great-grandmother, whom we called "Todo," wasn't feeling well one day and my grandmother convinced her to stretch out on the sofa and put an afghan over her for a nap. I was about five and asked in that blunt little kid way, "What the matter with her?" My grandmother said that "Todo's rheumatism was bothering her." Since it runs in families, now I know who I got it from!!!

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Yeah, those headache bands are sweet!! -nt- new
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      #70695 - 05/15/04 02:43 PM
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Well, what can I say to you, Jen, except I'm so sorry you're going through this. I feel terrible that ANYONE has to go through this, and it amazes me that you and LS -- and anyone else with this horrible disease -- can get through your day as well as you do. (LS has one day in bed, the other working out! WOW! Sure makes ME feel lazy! Don't tell her I said that though.)

Any kind of suffering that others go through affects me something terrible. One time, about 10 years ago, I was clothes shopping with a girlfriend at a little boutique in San Francisco, and we were being waited on by a little old lady, immaculately dressed, with a pretty smile and a kind look on her face. I happened to glance down at her arm and saw a number tattooed on it. I tried not to stare, but I feared the worst. She caught me. She looked at me, smiled, and said, "Yes, I survived Auschwitz." I couldn't help myself. The tears just ran down my face. She hugged me. Can you believe it? SHE was consoling ME!

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Thanks for the explanation Jen, does Fibro affect women more than men. -nt- new
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And for you too, Gerry!!!! new
      #70748 - 05/15/04 07:48 PM
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Thank you Gerry. I hope your "next" day is better too.

You are an "A" since you fluctuate from "C" to "D". I've never had the "D" problem except when I did the foolish route of Milk of Magnesia..................OMG............then it was "D" for a couple days. I'll never do that again.

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Re: Fibro: more than you ever wanted to know. (in honor, belatedly, of fibro awareness day) LONG POST. new
      #70750 - 05/15/04 07:55 PM
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This was fantastic JenX. Thanks so much for posting. It gives all of us more of a first hand idea of what you and others go thru...not the textbook version.

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(note: it appears that "messing with" seratonin levels can impact both IBS and fibro, though it doesn't really cure it or even make it 80% better in most cases. seratonin is....you guessed it! a neurotransmitter! i think once we find the right neurotransmitter or combo of them, we'll be on our way to better pain management in these illnesses.





Oh boy, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think we are in the infant stages when it comes to neurology and what affects what. Of course there has to be some money in it for it to get the research it deserves, and I don't see that happening right away...........it's sad.

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LS, thinking of you honey, sorry you are hurting-nt- new
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      #70753 - 05/15/04 08:11 PM
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LS, Queen for a Day????? LOL.........yes, I remember well the show........you see I'm older than you but a tad younger than bevrs.

And yes I remember the "pity party hat" that JenX had as the doggy with the LS-Santa hat.............cute!!!

Have to admit, what I have it NOT a migraine. I've had those about 12 years back. I was, at the time, using the "pink stuff" in my ice tea, long before the IBS days. I started to get unexplained migraines.................ewwwww, that kind where you lay in a dark bedroom, curled up in the fetal position, and keep thinking you must have a brain tumor? Well, being wheat allergic I thought that it had to be something I was consuming, and consuming a lot of. I gave up the pink stuff and it took 2 weeks for it to get out of my system, but eventually it did, and the migraines went away. About a year and a half later I was watching a medical show on women's health issues...........sure enuf the topic was "pink stuff" causing migraines.........bingo..........I had my medical explination.

Anyway, these blasted headaches that just never go away are very strange, tension type for sure, like the top of your head wants to make it's own space exploration, but then the pains go down into the jaw, both sides. Weird feeling. I finally ran across yet another article on this subacute thyroiditis that said there can be jaw pain too. Anyway, you are soooooooooo right, "This too will pass". I'm just a type "A" behavior and for me to wait it out for up to 6 months, (it's been 2 already) just makes me mad, sad, worn out, and a whole lot of other emotions.
And now I can relate to you and JenX with the fatique.......guess the elevated white blood cells and antibodies roaming around do that. Seem like where I could go like a steam engine normally, I've turned into the "little engine that could". Remember that story?

Anway, thanks again for your kind words...........you're always there for someone who's having a bad time of it......I love your compassion!!!!

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Julie, what's a head-ache band???????? new
      #70755 - 05/15/04 08:31 PM
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Ok, I'm lost, what's a head ache band? Where do I get one? Sounds like something I need!!! You keep it in the freezer you say? I have a ton of those crystals, (somewhere, since I made lots of those neck thingies for friends years ago) that used to go in a neck band that when soaked in water and kept in the refrigerator it supposedly stayed cool. You don't mean those do you? As far as I know those only get hard as a rock when frozen.

I've been taking JenX's advise and putting cold gel packs on the back of my neck. If I lay down with them it helps a bit. I read where you need to CONSTRICT the blood flow, not increase it....it THAT true?

Have you noticed that when you have one ailment that flares up, the other follows suit? My IBS was under such great control, but with this other junk it too is flaring up.........

Oh, your poor dad...........I can imagine what it is like for him. Men are "fix it" people.....as in "state the problem lady and I'll fix it and we can all get on with our lives". They feel absolutely helpless when they can't fix something we have.

And the heat/cold thing. I can so relate. Last summer when I was just getting better from the IBS, with Heather's help, I was still THIN.........I could endure the heat like nothing.......got out and did yard work in 90-100 temps. Not this year. I'm both cold sensitive (and catch a cold just like that) or am to hot. Hmmm, maybe we should go to Hawaii where the temp is the same all the time...wanna go? LOL

You're idea for a smoothie is a good one........it's a comfort food for me. In fact I think I hear a date smoothie calling my name!!!!

Again, thank you for all the kind, sympathetic words.......it really helps........wish I could be more like you all are............ALL the time!!!

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      #70758 - 05/15/04 08:43 PM
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Jen, I was on the hypothyroid site at About.com and that's where I found the article. Unfortunately I don't think I saved it, but will look. That site is like the Celiac.com one....you can start digging and get into article after article.....and then when you go back it is a bear to find. Nonetheless, I'll try and retrace my footsteps......or rather key strokes and see if I can find it for you. It said something to the affect that there are schools of thought that believe that hypothyroidism and fibro are cases of long term undiagnosed celiac disease. Since there seems to be a connection with gluten avoidance and fibro and hypothyroidsim it makes one wonder, doesn't it? It too, seems that Celiac disease is increasing at an alarming rate in this country. Are we just now getting serious about diagnosing it? I dunno. I FIRMLY believe that there are A LOT of people that are wheat sensitive that don't even know it, and feel lousy because of it. There are a lot more questions out there than answers, unfortunately.

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      #70768 - 05/15/04 08:58 PM
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Kandee,
I didn't know you had this. My mom had a nasty viurs in her thyriod about 4 years ago, and it either caused or was caused by subacute thyroiditis. I'm not really sure of which came first. It was so inflamed that when my parents were out for dinner with another couple, their doctor friend noticed it from across a dining table. Poor thing -- she had a fever for 32 days, her hair was falling out, she was losing muscle mass. I was so scared for her! It's all gone now, but I think she still needs to take beta blockers sometimes for her heart, but I don't really understand the details. Anyway I hope you don't feel nearly as sick as my mom did, and I hope you get batter like she did.

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      #70780 - 05/15/04 10:14 PM
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AP,

Well, since your mom had it you know something about it. For about a month I'd get the sweats. I guess that was the fever part. And yes, your gland becomes inflamed. With me it was only on my left side of the thyroid. It seems to be going down now. Also, a "bag" under my left eye got big.....still is and I'm hoping it's not Graves but since I'm going back to being hypo it doesn't sound like it. Fortunately I WAS already on beta blockers for hypertension when the heart arrhythmias started, but nonetheless, they still scared me. That was from me going hyper, and still being on thyroid meds for hypo..(which took me into being more hyper----bad for the heart)....I had to quit all the thyroid meds until I go more hypo.....which I can tell is happening. Hair? yep, I know the feeling.........in my case being hypo always means hair fall out, but with the thyroiditis a section of the center of my left eyelashes fell out.......weird ey? Seems it's all affecting my left side. I was ordered NOT to exercise (I went to aerobics daily) so natch I'm loosing muscle mass.............in my case it's just turning into FAT.............ug. The strange thing is about this is that it can last from 2 weeks to 6 months and is suppose to spontaneously go away. Since my thyroid antibodies in my blood are sooooo elevated it going to take a while. You see, you get a hole in your thyroid gland and it dumps the antibodies it usually stores into your blood system. The white blood count is up because you are fighting an infection. It usually comes on the tail of an upper respiratory infection. (I had one for 8 weeks Jan/Feb and that could have caused it.) It can also come from HRT, or as little as having a seat belt rubbing against your throat for long hrs. of driving. It's really ODD stuff, but like you said about you mom...........makes you darn sick.

I'm so glad to hear she got better. I don't want to scare you but the biggest risk factor to getting it again is to have had it once already. She needs to be super carefull if she gets a cold or virus and get on antibiotics to correct it right away. I let mine go thinking it would go away in 2 weeks and it took 2 months, but I never knew something like this could come after it.

Thanks for your concern.........and I hope your mom NEVER, EVER gets this again............

(Don't worry, it's not catching or inherited, unless she is hypothyroid or hyper and then you stand a chance of getting those.)

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Re: Laura Sue and Kandee (YOU BOTH HAVE SO MUCH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS! new
      #70798 - 05/16/04 06:59 AM
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Laura and Kandee,

You both deserve a prize for the compassion you show others with all the problems you both have. You two have such a great outlook on life. We sure need you on this website and don't ever think your wonderful comments go unnoticed!!!!

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Gerry [and whomever else wants to read it! ;) ] new
      #70812 - 05/16/04 08:21 AM
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Gerry, i'm sorry you're so ouchy. well, that fall probably made things a ton worse, huh?

hope you find some answers soon. aching and being painful are terrible and quite unfair.

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what's a headache band????? -nt- new
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Pity Party? i will keep looking for more. tell me when you like one. new
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Re: Pity Party? i will keep looking for more. tell me when you like one. new
      #70816 - 05/16/04 08:32 AM
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That one is very silly - I like it!! How about the rest of you? Votes, please!!

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yes and no..... er.... maybe? new
      #70817 - 05/16/04 08:33 AM
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"they" say that it affects more women than men, but there's another group of "they" who believe that this is because men tend not to go to doctors for pain as often as women do. also, testosterone seems to go a great way towards increasing men's tolerance for pain (not a joke- really, that's true!), and men have more testosterone than women. pick a theory, any theory!

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Re: what's a headache band????? KANDEE AND JENX... new
      #70818 - 05/16/04 08:35 AM
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here's a link

headache wrap - NOT just for migraines!!

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      #70820 - 05/16/04 08:36 AM
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Thanks, Pat! You're pretty nice yourself you know. All compliments gratefully accepted!

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      #70821 - 05/16/04 08:41 AM
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Yup, I remember. That reminds me of an analogy I use to explain my fatigue and low energy sometimes.

Okay, you're on the expressway and everyone around you is doing 80, just whizzing by. And you have the accelerator pushed all the way to the floor...and you're only doing 40, no matter how hard you push!!

THAT'S fatigue!! Whether from fibro or thyroid or anything else. And people that say oh, come on, everybody gets tired, you just have to push yourself a little, they are lucky I don't SLUG THEM!! Actually, they're lucky I don't have the ENERGY to slug them!! he he!

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Re: LS, thinking of you honey, sorry you are hurting -- THANKS GAYLA, better today -nt- new
      #70822 - 05/16/04 08:41 AM
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Re: Thanks for the explanation Jen, does Fibro affect women more than men. -nt- new
      #70823 - 05/16/04 08:42 AM
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Gayla, yes it does, same as IBS. Interesting, huh?

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      #70825 - 05/16/04 08:45 AM
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.... there is a lot of work being done investigating a neurotransmitter called "Substance P." it's believed to be responsible for two things: 1) it is part of the network that tells the body to send pain responses and 2) it is also part of the network responsible for sending messages to shut off the pain responses. interesting, no? but you can see the conundrum here. i assume if they block Substance P, then the pain notification network is hindered and that's good for chronic pain, but not for the rest of the pain we need! yes, we need pain. obvious example: if you put your hand on a stove burner, you need pain to tell you it's not a good idea! but you don't really want to put more Substance P out there, do ya? maybe, but maybe not.

anyway, i've read about this neurotransmitter in regards to fibro, but don't know for sure if it's come up in regards to IBS. ( i'm embarrassed to admit i've kinda slacked off in the IBS research department due to the pressing need [obsession] to read everything i can find about fibro! )

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      #70828 - 05/16/04 08:50 AM
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see? i read posts not addressed to me, too.

i think that what you're experiencing are still considered migraines. sure, there's those horrid blinding ones. i'm all too familiar. but i think that a headache that goes 3+ days, even if it's the "tension" kind, is considered a cluster headache and is a migraine.

it's possible you may find some relief from some of the migraine meds. worth tossing in the pot when you talk to your doctor. headaches every day are NO JOKE. miserable!

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      #70831 - 05/16/04 08:58 AM
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yeah, it's alarming how much there is going around with this celiac thing. apparently it's WAY more commonly diagnosed in England and Europe. and of course, they have more products to accomodate GF living.

i really think it's interesting how all of this is all tied together.


here's my current problem that's got me all confused: more and more books that i read suggest a low-carb diet is helpful for fibro. ok, well i'm GF, so that's ok. but how on earth can i get a low-carb lifestyle to jive with Heather's plan!? UGH. i'm officially off the suggaa (again and for real this time!) as of today, and i think i'll steer clear of potatoes for a bit to see if that helps. i don't know about rice, though. i'm considering seeing if i can take acacia prior to each meal and still maintain IBS control..... heck, Heather has shown to me that nutrition can really impact your health, so i'm willing to try a healthy fibro diet since so many people advise it, but i don't want the IBS to get worse.... i'm in a pickle! (which i can't eat on any diet! )

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      #70835 - 05/16/04 09:03 AM
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Jen I have NEVER read that a low carb diet helps fibro. What books say that?

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      #70837 - 05/16/04 09:05 AM
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i have a great aunt who is quite unpleasant. when i was out sick a few months ago, she got wind of it. (usually we don't talk health in my family around her or her sister - my grandmother) she asked me about it and all i said was that i was "very, very tired." ok, you have to understand at the time everyone was freaking 'cause i had dark circles under my eyes and was pretty near listless. that was when i was freaking out and panicky from not getting sleep. anyway, she dismissively said "everyone is tired." if she weren't an octogenarian on a cane, i would have belted her. instead i just rolled my eyes (which was tiring enough! )


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      #70854 - 05/16/04 10:06 AM
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Looks like LS answered the headache band question. Mine is made by thera-med. You can find these at Savon or RiteAid.

Yes, you do need to constrict blood flow. One thing that always helped me was to put moist heat on my lower neck and upper back and cold on my head. That helped to relieve the tension that builds up as a result of the constant pain. Jen is also right that chronic tension headaches are related to migraines. I believe it's called converted migraine or something like that. It has to do with pain centers in your brain. Migraines actually have a specific point that gets activated and sets off pain receptors. So to treat a migraine you need to tackle migraine center to really stop the headache. Mega doses of naproxen over a few days can stop a tension headache. You need to break the cycle of pain and that's not always easy. You might want to see your doc about something like that. You've got enough to deal with and tension headaches do have a solution. (Unless you're like me and the naproxen wasn't enough to stop them---only moving to France for a summer did that --you might find some relief.)



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Thanks LauraSue, This........... new
      #70874 - 05/16/04 11:20 AM
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combined with my sticky rice and chop sticks will complete the look quite nicely thank you.


If I take a picture then I could rival even you for the title of "Miss Whimsy"!!!


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Re: celiac new
      #70876 - 05/16/04 11:31 AM
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All that you mentioned is true, plus I read one of the reasons that we are gaining in the numbers of Celiacs in this country is because we are introducing wheat into the diets of children at WAY to young an age.

Yes,yes, I think the low carb and Heather's diet can be worked together, but you have to be VERY stable, and you have to be careful of the fat... I've noticed that I can take a big dose of acacia and then eat low fat, high protein meal (like with white meat turkey burgers) with over-cooked veggies and not have an attack. I even eat salad now, but in moderation of course and with a no-fat, IBS safe dressing. Raw tomatoes I can do too. Overcooked, veggies..........squash, asparagus, etc. It can work. Before I would eat a cup or more of rice with every meal. I really think the trick is to take enuf soluble fiber before the meal to pull it off. Of course you're never going to be able to eat totally like the nut cases on Atkins, nor would you want to...it's just not healthy, but you can safely make your meals higher protein, if that is what helps the fibro.

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JenX, LauraSue, Julie, NEED advise quickly on migraine meds... new
      #70877 - 05/16/04 11:40 AM
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as I'm off to see the (good) doc in the morning, early, before I can even check my email.............and I need to know what kinds of migraine meds to ask for.........what are your recommendations??? He will write me anything I ask for as long as it's safe. I can't have anything that I can't take the beta blocker with for the hypertension, or the hypothyroidism meds with, if I get started back on them.

I did find, Julie, that Naproxen can work but not completely and then makes me sooooo sleepy I have to stay in bed all day. Since I have a high maintanence hubby I can't do that.

I think I need that trip to France............or at the very least another stay at the Paris hotel in Vegas..


Thanks for the info Jen.................I sure didn't realize what I had was migraines as opposed to just 24 hr. tension headaches. The docs don't get excited when you just say "tension headache".


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Re: JenX, LauraSue, Julie, NEED advise quickly on migraine meds... new
      #70879 - 05/16/04 11:57 AM
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You'll want to get a triptan (like Maxalt, Imitrex, Zomig). They all do the same thing, but people have different tolerances for them, kind of like anti-depressants. They are the standard treatment for migraines.

You might also want to go on a preventative, which would be a low-dose tricyclic anti-depressant. I don't know if you'd really need that though, since the headaches are related to your thyroid problems (I'm assuming the headache would go away if your thyroiditis would calm down?) I suffer from the chronic headaches if I don't take the preventative, but that's me! Essentially, the tricyclic works to prevent any kind of chronic pain by changing the body's response to pain. It doesn't get rid of the pain, just keeps the rest of your body from freaking out because of it. I warn you though, these tend to make you put on weight.
I don't know if the triptans are contraindicated for beta blockers or thyroid meds. Some people take beta blockers for migraines. My mom thought about it, but can't because of asthma.
I took Feldene for my tension headaches--I went and looked, I still had the bottle! But you can only take that for a few days safely. I remember taking Feldene and Imitrex for a few days straight at regular intervals at first. So maybe you just want to be outta commission for a few days and knock this headache out!

As for what's best for you,I don't know. Hopefully, if you come armed with some knowledge, you and your (good) doc can figure out a plan. Good luck!

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Re: Tension headaches, and another ???? new
      #70880 - 05/16/04 12:02 PM
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Thanks Julie, I have both those drug stores real close to me..I'm off later today to get one!!! (Wonder if I add a short skirt--- split up the sides, a tight Madarin collared blouse, and make my eyes look more almond shaped if the Colonel will like the new ME?)

I've been putting the ice gel pack at the back of my neck, but now according to what you said I need to put it on top of my head??? Can I put the heating pad on the oh-so-sore shoulder muscles?

Breaking the cycle of pain is apparently what I need to do......I didn't realize that. Did I NOT take enuf Naproxen? Should I have taken like 500 mg. 2 times a day? (That's what I have here that was perscibed for my husband for his hip breakage.) The ODD part about all this is that I went back on my ginger caps, 2 with each meal, to help the dizziness (since it is good for motion sickness and IBS) and it seems to help, a little, the headaches. Any idea why that could be?

France is a little far away as a perscibed medicine but the resort we usually go to in Mexico would suffice. Last year it did a number on my IBS like you wouldn't believe...and I even cheated and had a torta with no ill affects...

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Re: Tension headaches, and another ???? new
      #70882 - 05/16/04 12:18 PM
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Yes, you should put the ice gel pack (or headache band--works better, yay velcro!) on your head, whereever it hurts. And yes, you can put the heat pad on your shoulder! The pain travels down from your head, so it's pretty normal for your back and shoulders to be sore.
Yeah, you probably didn't take enough naproxen (but I'm talking prescription doses--see my other answer to your migraine question). BUT, you don't want to do this on your own, or you end up "addicted" to the pain meds. Basically, a bottle of Excedrin a day is NOT GOOD! It can make the headaches worse because then you have withdrawal headaches on top of it all! As for the ginger, no idea?!? If helps, go for it. You can also put peppermint oil on your temples.

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      #70886 - 05/16/04 12:58 PM
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I printed out your reply and will take it with me. With this doc if he doesn't know if I can take it or not, he'll look it up. In the meantime I will too, and see if it seems like it will be a remedy. I NEED something, like you said, to break the cycle. It's been over 4 weeks now that I've had them and for the past 3 they have been 24 hrs a day. THAT'S long enuf in my book!!! I doubt I would need an antidepressant. These headaches would make anyone depressed yet I'm not, just crabby and frustrated at the duration. Feldene might be the answer to break the cycle if they work within a few days. I'll ask. If I go out of commission, oh well, the world will not end.


Thanks again, I feel ARMED, and ready for combat.........just not with any amunition until I get the triptan or something like it.

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Thanks Julie, I'm going to try your recommendations.-nt- new
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      #70929 - 05/16/04 03:58 PM
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i take Imitrex. it's the only thing i've found that really works (though, for me, it's not all of the time. it does work about 75% of the time, which is just great!



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      #70931 - 05/16/04 04:12 PM
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you're totally right! i don't think Atkins is a healthy diet and i don't want to be on that diet. no way, no how!

i can do this. i just want to cut some of the carbs NOT to lose weight, but to help ease some of these horrible pains and other symptoms.

you're such a great support, Kandee. it's a pleasure to know you. i certainly hope you get all your stuff straightened out and that you get an answer to your headaches really really soon. the thyroid stuff, too.

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Re: Thanks LauraSue, This........... new
      #70937 - 05/16/04 04:22 PM
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Yes, it is a look, isn't it!! Hey, glad to hear you back to your sassy self again!!

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Re: JenX, LauraSue, Julie, NEED advise quickly on migraine meds... new
      #70940 - 05/16/04 04:26 PM
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Imitrex is the gold standard of migraine meds. It's a "triptan" one of a relatively new family of meds that are working wonders. There's about seven of them so as long as he prescribes any one of them, you should find relief.

Oddly enough, beta blockers are actually helpful in preventing migraines. I'm on atenolol for a month now and it seems to have broken the ghastly cycle I was in.

Another possibility I hate to mention is rebound headaches, but your doctor will be better at diagnosing that than me. The highest probability is that it's migraine and the triptans are AMAZING!!

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Julie, good response. I should have read yours before posting mine!! -nt- new
      #70941 - 05/16/04 04:27 PM
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Re: migraines new
      #70942 - 05/16/04 04:30 PM
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None of them work all of the time according to the book I'm reading right now. 70-80% is about normal, so you're right where you should be. (Yeah, I know 100% is where we should be, I mean with the triptans!!)

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Jennie my girl -- where'd you read that low carb helps fibro??!! new
      #70944 - 05/16/04 04:32 PM
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I've never seen that in anything I've read. Which books, what page, gimme a quote here. I frankly disagree. (Not that I'm the world's greatest expert!!)

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      #70953 - 05/16/04 04:50 PM
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i am too tired to get up and go get the books, but i've seen it in 3 or 4 books now. they're saying hi-protein can help and that cutting things like sugar can help, too. it's not the whole Atkins thing, really, and they seem to be sound in their nutritional advice, for example they don't say to eat high fat and they advise a nice balanced variety of veggies (except taters and other veggies that turn right to sugar).

i'll see if i can cite them for you when i have the books down here by the computer....

frankly, LS, i discounted it the first 2 times i read it, but it's been getting more consistent and i figure there's no harm. (as long as i'm still protecting my IBS!) in fact, if i cut the blazing sugar i'm hooked on, i am close to low-carb anyway. i'm alread hi protein. i do feel much better with no sugar, i know that, but it's such a comfort mentally and emotionally that i can't give it up easily! i'm going to try, though. and i'm still going to have my rice. i think i am just going to concentrate on higher protein and sugar avoidance at first, just to see if there's a benefit.

why do you seem so upset? am i being led down the garden path???



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LauraSue, Julie, and JenX........thank you for all your advise... new
      #70964 - 05/16/04 05:40 PM
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I am armed with my list.........of meds I want and questions...so I'm good to go, thanks to you all.

Sitting here balancing my gel pack on top of my head. It's weird but good for the posture, right????

Will have to get my headache band tomorrow...or the next.....to tired to drive.......

Thanks again,

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      #70966 - 05/16/04 05:51 PM
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I've never seen it either, but I do know this....when your adrenals are stressed they require more protein for you to function, especially function well mentally.
When I was going thru some stressfull times with my hubby and all his heart problems and he was in and out of the hospital, ALL I wanted to eat (pre-IBS days) was fried or baked chicken and chocolate milk...........that's all, all the time..........bkfst, lunch, dinner, midnight snack......you name it. I asked a nutritionist friend and she said it was my adrenals screeming out for more protein. Made sense to me, so I just went with it. After the stress was over I went back to eating decent meals and didn't have the protein cravings one bit..........then it was carbs.......

I'm sure with fibro your adrenals are stressed, right? If so I think maybe increasing the protein, if you can do it safely with the IBS is the way to go.

Just a thought and my 2 cents worth....

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Re: oy.... new
      #70967 - 05/16/04 05:51 PM
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Yeah, the reason I'm so upset is that we all have so many limitations already, I hate to see you or me or anyone get sucked into something that may not be necessary. I'll go get my books and check again, too, sweetie pie. Between the two of us, we'll figger it out, 'kay?

It's true that I hardly eat any sugar. Only way to keep my girlish figure at my age. A healthy balanced diet is important. I get plenty of protein, but I'm definitely NOT low-carb by any stretch of the imagination!! LOVE my bread, my potatoes, my rice, my pasta, my cereal!!!! (Down, girl!!) The only thing I struggle to eat enough of is fruits and veggies.

Well, we'll both do our research and compare notes. Two heads are better than one, and two such gorgeous heads as us should be worth a million bucks, dontcha think??!!

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Re: If I may chime in a minute..........Makes sense, Kandee, thanks!! -nt- new
      #70969 - 05/16/04 05:57 PM
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      #70970 - 05/16/04 05:57 PM
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I'm so sugar addicted I would start killing people if I couldn't have it at all.............so I've comprimised...I only use sugar on things that I can SPRINKLE it on. Think about it..........if you only sprinkle sugar on toast, say cinnamon/sugar toast........or oatmeal, or cream of wheat.....you are never getting that much.......but bake with it in a brownie or cake or muffins or even stirred into a tea, or whatever-- and you get a ton of the stuff in one serving.

Anyway, I'm on the SUGAR SPRINKLE diet, and loving it...and it's usually less than a T. a day.... I'm not for deprivation...........no way, no how....

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      #70971 - 05/16/04 05:59 PM
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Yeah, I guess that pretty well describes what I do too! I'm especially fond of my cinnamon toast (with no butter).

SPRINKLE AWAY, GIRLFRIEND!! With ya on this one, all the way.

Okay, signing off for tonight. See ya tomorrow. Good luck at the (good) doc!

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      #71027 - 05/17/04 05:32 AM
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Hi Laura Sue,

I hope you're feeling much better today. My heart goes out to you as I know what kind of exhaustion you are suffering even though I don't have the same condition. I do have a hypothyroid and was not on the right amount of medication up until about March 3rd when the doctor doubled the dosage of my synthroid. Still get tired but not as bad as before. However in the early 1980's I was diagnosed with cytomegalovirus which I think they now call CMV. I ended up sick for over 2 years before I was officially diagnosed. I ended up with cirrhosis of the liver and Hepatitis A from that dumb virus. I looked like I was at death's door at the time and felt like it. I must have gone through every test known to man at the time. Finally at Mass. General Hosp. a doctor discovered I had three seperate conditions, not one and was able to treat me. The virus did such a job on my liver though that I still have to be careful today. I was a little indignant back then with the cirhosis as I never drank and couldn't understand WHY ME? Got off my pity pot pretty fast though but I know I never thought the exhaustion would ever leave. It's the kind of exhaustion that you can't really make some one understand unless they've been there themselves.

That's why I feel so bad for you. You're always so upbeat with everyone and so helpful that if you didn't tell us we would never know by your attitude. I know my other friend Kandee is going through a hard time now also and she is such a sweetheart too. I appreciate having people like you on here. Everyone benefits from your great advise!!!

Hope you have a great day today and sorry for going on so long.

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      #71033 - 05/17/04 06:28 AM
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Hi Pat,

As you can see, I am butting-in again. I am really sorry to hear you have had so many problems. I agree with you that posts from LS, Jen, Bev and others have all been very inspiring to all of us.
I hope you are feeling better today.

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      #71057 - 05/17/04 07:55 AM
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Hi Barbie,

Nice hearing from you. Have been doing a little better the last couple of weeks. There are some great people that post here. I'm fairly new here so enjoy checking out the posts to see if there is something I can help someone out with.
Loved reading your post about the good old days, especially American Bandstand as it brought back so many fond memories. Those things make us feel better also and we can all use some laughs in our life too. Laughter is probably the best medicine going, as it can take our minds off our problems, if only for a little while.

Keep posting!! Love hearing from you! I guess sometimes it's good to be a buttinsky or we wouldn't get to know one another!!! lol

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Thanks so much, Pat!! -nt- new
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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #71240 - 05/17/04 06:57 PM
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Thanks girls,now I know what Fibro.is.an yes I have it.there are days I can hardly walk but we always call it rheumatism or arthritis but because of my diabetic an hiatel hernia I can,t take any thing with asprin in it so I
eat tylenol.an I do take pain pills.an yes you do hurt very bad.but you do have some good days.I feel so sorry for you young girls to have so much pain.it is no fun an yes LS you are young.Gerry

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Re: Little Engine that could!! (Little Engine that really COULDN'T!!) new
      #71247 - 05/17/04 07:42 PM
Gerry10

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ok I,ll play your game {69 & counting ]an as Bev puts it you are only as old as you feel.an tonight I feel young.
maybe that fall did me some good. Gerry

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Re: fibro runs rampant new
      #71358 - 05/18/04 08:08 AM
LauraSue

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Thanks, Gerry, and so sorry to hear you have it also. I thought you might. But glad you're feeling young today!

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