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Having a really bad day
      #66371 - 04/30/04 11:22 AM
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I feel like I'm going nuts! I have a rotten cold, PMS and no energy. I feel like I'm crazy today. I'm in a really bad mood. I've been very on edge with my kids. Almost anything they do makes me nuts. I broke down and cried to my mom on the phone and now I just feel bad for getting so upset. I feel really bad because I have gotten mad at my kids for dumb little things. But I just have blown up today!

I'm so tired! I need a vacation! But, I never feel good enough to do that either.

Sorry everyone I'm having a pitty party! I just feel like crap and my tummy is acting up. I feel desperate. I have so much to do around my house and that's stressing me out! I wish I could just go off to a 5 star hotel for the weekend all by myself Yeah, right like that's going to happen!!!

Ok, I just had to vent a little! I think I'll try to get some fresh air and sunshine today. Gosh I even thought about going tanning. I know its bad for my skin...but it might do my brain some good!!!

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Re: Having a really bad day new
      #66384 - 04/30/04 11:33 AM
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sorry you're feeling out of sorts! that's a terrible feeling. i always admire you Mommies so much! i don't know how you do it!

i hope you get to tanning, 'cause even though it's rotten for you if it makes you feel better than i say do it! (just not too often)

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I Hear Ya, Girlfriend new
      #66392 - 04/30/04 11:54 AM
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Steph, it's hormones, nothing more. Well, the cold is something else, but all that other stuff? Hormones.

I'm ready to stop taking HRT, after having been on it all my life. Well, I had to take it when I was a little girl and they discovered something seriously wrong with me (but that's another story!). I've spent many years trying to get my hormones under control, and it's been a real struggle, believe me. (Again, another story.)

Anywho.... I'm gonna be 60 soon. It's time to stop taking this estrogen. Besides, I don't like one of its side effects. For one thing, it does nothing for me as far as "the bedroom," if you get my drift. But what it does is really awful. I have extremely sensitive nipples (I apologize if I'm offending anyone here); my boobs get very tender and sore, such that I can't stand to be touched even a tiny bit, and even holding my puppy hurts. Also (again, my apologies), my areola is black and scaly.

Okay, more info than you need -- sorry --

I want off the stuff, so I stopped taking it about a week ago. My boobs have stopped being quite so tender; I didn't jump out of my skin when hubby gently reached for them the other day, the blackness is scaling off, and my nipples are no longer sore. That's the good news.

Now, the bad: I'm EXTREMELY sensitive! Jen's post yesterday about her diagnosis sent me off into a crying spell, and I can't stop. I'm doing it now. I hate this. This happened to me some 20 years ago. Anyone look at me and smile, and I'd break out in a crying fit. And depression? Oy! The depression! I was outa control.

Well, I can feel the depression coming back; it's not real bad right now but I get waves of it. I refuse to go back on the Wellbutrin.

I'm determined to shake this. I figure I'm taking in more soy than anything else in my diet. Soy is supposed to be almost the same as estrogen, right? That's what I heard. So I'm just waiting for it to kick in.

Okay, sorry about my rambling. I got off on a tangent, didn't I? I meant to tell you that I know what you're going through; your post sounded exactly like I feel right now. (Okay, so maybe my depression has a little more to do with the age thing, but I have to get over it because there's not a damn thing I can do about it.)

I gotta go...



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I'm sorry Steph new
      #66395 - 04/30/04 12:05 PM
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I'm sorry, Steph. I have the cold you have and it does make you want to cry...it's not just you. My friend called me and told me that she had it and no matter how much she slept she still felt like sleeping..but she's better now. I get so emotional when I get sick so don't even feel bad. I'm SO sorry Steph. Really. Don't feel badly about crying. Just tell your kids that you have a cold and that you are sorry if you seem impatient (or a little kid word for impatient) but you don't feel well and you just need to rest so you can have fun with them soon... because if you can't rest then you won't be able to play with them soon. And then maybe tell them to think about what they want for dinner or something (i don't know what time it is where you live) so your husband can pick it up on his way home (if you think your husband will want what they want ) I wish I coould deliver you some IBS friendly food right now (soup? tea? rice? does anything sound appetizing?) and clean your house for you and do everything for you because the other day I wished someone could do that for me. Poor Steph! Okay..yesterday my sister was down in the dumps and I told her this thing I read in a meditation bookk that i posted somewhere else on here and it REALLY cheered her up. She said it was the nicest thing anyone had said to her in a long time. Ok. So during his meditation, some monk realized that God put people on Earth so He could have people to love. So see...You're loved. You're here for a reason. See, Steph! (Sorry if you aren't religious/are a different religion..i don't know much aobut religion and want to learn a lot more..sorry if i seem ignorant!). So feel better, okay! And always remember why you're here!

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I'm sorry Bevrs! new
      #66398 - 04/30/04 12:11 PM
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I hope you feel better. Crying is not fun. When you finally stop you feel better (well..your head hurts worse) but you're not sad. My friends and I would joke that why girls' cliques at school are more exclusive than boys' has to do with hormones too Anyhow I'm really sorry and I'm sending you rays of sunshine to go through your skin and warm your soul

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Re: Having a really bad day new
      #66401 - 04/30/04 12:20 PM
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Steph, honey, sorry you're having a bad day. We should have an honorary pity party plaque that we can pass around to whoever needs it that day, like a talking stick? So you get for today, but who knows, I might need it tomorrow. Hopefully, we all won't need it the same day!!

And as far as tanning, my dermatologist is one of the best in the city and she has articles all over her office wall about how a SMALL amount of sun is not only okay but beneficial. How else can we make our Vitamin D?! And for me, it is truly relaxing. I must be part lizard! Just wear a little sunscreen and don't feel ONE BIT guilty!!

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hey you, BEVRS. new
      #66409 - 04/30/04 12:35 PM
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NO MORE CRYING!


think of happy things:



puppies are cute and cuddly:





Equalactin keeps us happy:



rowing is fun:






rainbows are pretty and big pots o' money are good too!





new houses are really good!






we love the woods and the woodland creatures!





crafts are fun and they look good, too:





the IBS boards make us feel better in lots of ways:





sewing is fun if you have enough space for it:






friends are wonderful people:






and last but not least, the JACK! (REAL GOOD!)





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Re: Having a really bad day new
      #66410 - 04/30/04 12:38 PM
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Sorry your havin such a bad day honey....... hope this helps some



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Yes Maam new
      #66414 - 04/30/04 12:57 PM
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YOU are consoling ME! Now what's wrong with this picture?

Thanks for your post; you spent a lot of time on this, and I love it.

I'm thinkin' 'boutcha, Girlfriend.....

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I'm Okay, Really! new
      #66416 - 04/30/04 12:59 PM
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I shouldn't have said anything. It's just hormones, nothing more. In my next life, I'm coming back as a MALE.

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Steph.....are you feeling any better? -nt- new
      #66452 - 04/30/04 02:41 PM
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Thank you everyone..... new
      #66453 - 04/30/04 02:43 PM
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Thanks everyone. I'm feeling a little better. However my stomach is in knots Again PMS period starts Sunday so my tummy is paying for it now...and will again then!!!

Anyhow...were going to Park City over the weekend! Me and hubby both need a break and the kids will love it! I hope my stomach will get through it ok. I'm really miserable right now....it could be partly nerves too. A little nervious about the trip...it only 45 minutes from my house...but I still get nervious about the whole thing. I know once I get there...it will be fine. In-door out door pool and hot tubs. And a dry sauna!!! I think this will lift my spirits!!!!

Thanks again everyone!!! Keep your fingers crossed for my nerves and tummy ok?

Hope you all have a good weekend! See ya Sunday night or Monday!

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Shell....we were typing at the same time!!! LOL new
      #66454 - 04/30/04 02:45 PM
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Yes, thanks for asking! I think my little weekend get away will do me some good! I don't have to worry about the house and laundry...dishes etc!!!

Have a great weekend!!!! Are you doing anything fun?? Hope so!!!

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Have a WONDERFUL weekend...... new
      #66458 - 04/30/04 02:51 PM
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Oh good..... I'm glad your doing a little better!! Take some deep breaths and try to enjoy your away time. Sounds great!!

We will go for a drive on Sat I think.....

The bossman just came in and told me to go at 3pm instead of 5pm..... so you are my last message of the afternoon. I'll check back in tonight.

Have a WONDERFUL weekend......you deserve it!

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Re: HRT new
      #66461 - 04/30/04 03:22 PM
Ericasmom

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Wow! What a rough time you've had! Just curious..have you seen any of the promos hyping that new Suzanne Somers book about the all natural hormone replacement therapy? Thought it was something that might interest you. Hang in there!

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Re: Have a WONDERFUL weekend...... new
      #66462 - 04/30/04 03:26 PM
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Thanks Shell,
Your a sweetheart! Gotta love the boss today!!! Talk to ya later!

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Re: hey you, BEVRS. new
      #66464 - 04/30/04 03:42 PM
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Jen-may I say you are QUITE an artist! You really cheered ME up too! Now..can you find some Jack for this Tennessee girl that will not upset my tummy? LOL!

Amy

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How yawl doing now? new
      #66470 - 04/30/04 04:44 PM
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I missed this whole thread so I'm just checking to see how yawl doing now! Hope EVERYONE'S feeling a bit happier.

Steph...you have a wonderful weekend girl - you deserve it! I'm so jealous . Just chill out and relax and get some sleep. It all sounds amazing. I bet the sauna will help your cold too! And a bit of a tan doesn't hurt much so enjoy that sunshine and get some vitamin D.

Bev...don't ya dare say you shouldn't have mentioned it! Grrr...I'll get cross with you if you don't feel you can talk to us! That just hormones talking. Hormones and depression suck big time. Have you tried St. John's Wort to help with the depression? My HTB says it really works and its herbal so hardly any side-effects. You can ALWAYS talk to us...we just need to get Heather to give us a crying emoticon for those emotional moments! You go have a Jack and watch an old movie...that always cheers me up.

Jen...how ya doing today girlie?

Love yawl! Linz

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Re: HRT new
      #66478 - 04/30/04 04:58 PM
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Well, I went off the HRT too, after being on it only about a year. It was the "natural" kind done at a compounding pharmacy according to your estrogen/progesterone levels, and changed frequently dependant on what you needed. I assume this is the kind Suzanne Somers is talking about. I quit it because it was affecting my thyroid, and heaven knows it's in big enuf trouble as it is. I'm just hoping I don't now have thyroid cancer from it.

There are only 3 types of estrogen...H1, H2, and H3. One has been known to produce cancer, another is iffy and another is used primarily in Europe and is supposed to be cancer safe. I say foooooie.........it's all dangerous. If you want to beef up your bod's estrogen eat soy. I can't because of the thyroid disease, but YOU CAN if you need the estrogenic affects. (But keep in mind soy is a goitigenic as well, and you may get an enlarged thyroid gland from to much if you are starting young.)

Hang in there Bag Lady.............it will take a while but you'll make it............

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Have a great Weekend Steph. You deserve it!!!-nt- new
      #66479 - 04/30/04 05:02 PM
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Re: HRT new
      #66480 - 04/30/04 05:06 PM
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I'll tell my Mum all this. She doesn't want to go on HRT cos her mother had breast cancer. Soy milk and tofu for her I think!

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Re: HRT-a disclaimer new
      #66481 - 04/30/04 05:06 PM
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Just thought I better mention-I know nothing about HRT and am not endorsing that book! Just mentioned it. Thanks.

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Re: HRT new
      #66485 - 04/30/04 05:13 PM
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Good for you Linz!!! You mum shouldn't go on it ESPECIALLY if breast cancer runs in the family. They used to think it protected your heart, now they know that is NOT true. The only GOOD thing it does is keep the bones strong if you have the tendency towards osteoperosis. But if you get plenty of calcium and exercise you won't have a problem with your bones anyway.

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Re: HRT new
      #66486 - 04/30/04 05:14 PM
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My Mum's mother also has osteoporosis which is why it was considered!

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Re: HRT new
      #66488 - 04/30/04 05:24 PM
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What I would recommend is frequent bone density scans so she can catch it if/when it starts in. There are new meds out on the market that can stop the progression of osteoporosis dead in it's tracks. Fosomax comes to mind....but if she is vigilant about the calcium (and magnesium and boron and Vit D) and exercise, especially strength training exercises she'll not have the problem to begin with. Good luck to her.................and BTW, she has a GREAT daughter to be so concerned about her!!!

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Re: HRT new
      #66495 - 04/30/04 05:55 PM
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and Miacalcin nasal spray (calcitonin), which I take because the Fosamax upset my tummy!

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My Friend Jack new
      #66500 - 04/30/04 06:28 PM
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LOVE this guy! He sure has gotten me through many a tough time, believe me! The night I discovered my genetic problem, he was there for me. The night before the resultant surgery, he was there for me. The day I was told I needed a breast biopsy for fear of Paget's Disease, he was there for me.

He still is my friend. I just have to treat him with respect. I partook a little of his comfort just last night, as a matter of fact. I had a potato roll beforehand, and afterwards I had some Veggie Stix "just to be safe." My tummy was perfectly happy; no problems at all.

Yes, Jack and I go WAAAAY back.....

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Thanks KK! new
      #66501 - 04/30/04 06:35 PM
Bevvy

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Well, after having taken this stuff for 45 years now, it's pretty safe to say that the damage, if any, is done.

But it's time to stop taking it. Besides, I'm taking so much soy -- everything I eat is soy -- it's gonna have to take the place of the estrogen from now on.

Yeah, you're right. I WILL make it. I may have a few emotional outbreaks and get a little sensitive, but I'll get over it. And by now, I'm SOOO used to the hot flashes (oops, I meant POWER SURGES!) It's just another page I have to turn, nothing more.

So, how UUUU DUin'?

Bag Lady

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Are you feeling any better yet, Steph?? **HuGs!!** new
      #66504 - 04/30/04 06:51 PM
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Re: My Friend Jack new
      #66517 - 04/30/04 09:06 PM
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my good friends on the weekend were Ernst and Julio. Those guys know how to party and I found te red wine was way easier on my stomach.

Bev and steph, I hope you two are feeling better about things. sometimes it's good tp have a crappy day. you make sure you get a lot of sleep , and then hopefully feel better in the morning. If not, then alcohol

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Re:Bev new
      #66528 - 05/01/04 01:10 AM
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I understand completely what you are going through. I have been on HRT for the past 10 years and in Sept. I decided that I wanted to get off. The doc had me wean myself over a couple of months and by the time I stopped taking the Primrin all together I was experiencing terrible migraines, terrible hot flashes, very moody (angry one minute and crying the next). I have been afraid to try to stop again even though I really don't want to take it anymore.

Do a search on the internet, there is a ton of info out there talking about how long these symptoms will last, etc. Sometimes if I know how long something is going to last I can deal with it better.

I wish you luck and send you hugs and hope you are feeling better.

Janey

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Thanks Janey! new
      #66544 - 05/01/04 06:15 AM
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Thanks for your kind wishes, Janey.

I've been through this before, when docs were trying to get me "normal," giving me estrogen, then testosterone, then progesterone -- pills, patches, even shots -- so by now I pretty much know what to expect. So I warned hubby to keep an eye out for the inevitable mood swings, and when he notices that I'm outta control, let me know. I'm sure he will!

I'm hoping that my age will work in my favor this time, that the menopause will be over, and all the soy I eat will "kick in."

If not, I'll go out in the garden and eat worms.


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Re: My Friend Jack new
      #66549 - 05/01/04 06:23 AM
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Lucky guy... I used to love, love, love red wine... but then I developed a stupid allergy. I'm jealous.

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Keep Us Posted, Steph new
      #66552 - 05/01/04 06:35 AM
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I'll be anxious to know how the weekend went, Girlfriend. Keep us posted.

Bevvy

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      #66563 - 05/01/04 07:13 AM
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Kandee-
How much soy is too much? And what is goitigenic? (sorry don't know these things) I'm just wondering because I have been so fatigued lately and gained weight suddenly, so I'm on a high protein diet. That's helped the fatigue a ton, but I'm eating lots of soy to get in the protein.

Bev-Hope you're feeling better today! Hormones are terrible aren't they? I always cry for week before my period. Just touch me and I burst into tears! Even with the continuous BC, I still have "cycles" sorta, or at least I must since I still get this week of crying nonstop without the period after.

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      #66574 - 05/01/04 09:23 AM
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Bev,

When I told my doc of all the troubles I was experiencing when trying to get off HRT he said that my body was probably not ready to go without the hormones yet. He said to keep trying and eventually I will be able to stop all together.

I am hoping for you that your age will help you get off the HRT. It would make sense because if you weren't on HRT you would be going through menapause naturally.

I will keep you in my thoughts.

Janey

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Re: HRT new
      #66583 - 05/01/04 10:15 AM
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Hi Julie,

There are a number of schools of thought on how much is to much soy. Some say no more than 30 mg of soy isoflavones per day, others say a lot more is safe. I really don't know and think it is individual based on age, health, family health history, etc.

A goiter is an enlarged thryoid gland (front of the neck). Do a google search with just the word goiter in an you'll find a ton of stuff and pictures. It is usually caused by lack of iodine in the diet but because lack of iodine in a normal diet is rare these days they have looked at other foods that can cause goiters, like soy.

I think if I were you, I'd get a blood thyroid panel test. I may explain the weight gain (and fatique) if you are the least bit hypothyroid. The likelyhood of becoming hypothyroid increases with age, with it affecting 1 in 4 women....about the same as for IBS. Hypothyroidism has a huge affect on depression/emotions as well. Before diagnosed I thought for sure it was the perimenopause that caused the severe depression. Not so........it was the thyroid.

Maybe you could sub some of your soy protein by getting it from other sources......fish, fowl, ground nuts, beans, legumes, egg whites, etc.

I'm a firm believer, like a lot of experts that a natural progertone cream (I used to use Progest) can eleviate many symptoms associated with a fluctuation in estrogen levels....PMS, crying, depression.........etc. I think it is sorely overlooked as an easy way to avoid the monthly crazies.

Good luck...........

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I had some Veggie Stix "just to be safe." ROTFLMBO. what a crock! -nt- new
      #66707 - 05/02/04 06:10 AM
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WHADDYAMEAN?! new
      #66773 - 05/02/04 11:21 AM
Bevvy

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Hey! It's a soluble fiber. It is.

Okay, so I get a little outa control on this stuff. Actually, I have to stop ordering it. I just got my last order of some 10 bags, and I've already gone thru it all!

Jen, what do you have as a "treat" (besides men)?

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besides men.... new
      #66803 - 05/02/04 12:40 PM
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you acted as if it's a hardship to eat the Veggie Stix! you crack me up! they are SO yummy!!! man, i wish i could have some right now, but i've vowed to be good.

what do I have for a treat (besides men)? well, i don't even get the men! i haven't been out on a date in a while, and rarely do men talk to me. so i stick with sorbet. that's my big treat.... and i really love that smoothie every morning! other than that, no real treats. i bought some gluten-free cookies this weekend. they're ok. (GF food is very dense. they're certainly not a good warm Tollhouse cookie!)

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