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hI Nuggett; seems to be a really gory,graphic movie. I don't think I could stomachj all that gore but I think it it would be a really powerful movie. I HEARD that one lady had a hard attack after seeing it.mY HAT is off to Mel Gibson for having the guts for making such a controversial movie. He is a very devout christion I think.
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thank you for straithtening these points out. I think somer people should check their fscts first before making statements.
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Jenny,
Your thoughts have intrigued me. I was wondering why they would pick a woman for Satan. I had to ask a few people what they thought. Did I ever mention I am a PK? My dad is a pastor. My brother-in-law is also an associate pastor at the church we go to. I don't go to my parents often.
Anyways, I called my mom and was asking her about the two things you mentioned. First, the woman that plays Satan does seem to have looked masculine with all the makeup. My mom mentioned that Satan is the great deceiver and could appear in many forms. Having said this, doesn't it seem possible that Satan could have been perceived as a woman when he tried tempting Jesus in the desert? Would another man or a woman tempt a man? I would think a woman. I realize that this can seem sexist so to speak but there is some truth to the fact that men are attracted to a woman's appearances.
I ended up calling my brother-in-law about Mary Magdalene. The truth is the bible never says she was a prostitute. It does say she had seven demons cast out. My bil looked it up in a biblical dictionary and it said that scholars think she may have been. One of the reasons is she is from Magdalene and that place was known for prostitution. The other reason is because there was a prostitute mentioned in the chapter before Mary Magdalene was mentioned. Maybe it was a coincidence but it seems that more people than not have thought of her as a prostitute and maybe that is why Mel included it. Does that answer a little bit about that. I guess we will never know for sure but I think it shows Christ compassion and also how he changed lives.
My friends from my bible study are planning on going next week with their husbands. I personally don't think I could handle seeing it, especially being in my first trimester and starting to experience morning sickness. I look forward to finding out what they think. Everything I have heard from people that went was it was excellent. My understanding is that at the end of the movie most of the people can't move until after the credit and most end up crying. I have heard this from many different places. I can only imagine its impact.
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I've been really impressed with the discussion that has arisen because of this movie. Although I've heard many people describe it as controversial, all the discussion I've seen about it from all sides of the religious spectrum has been civil and constructive. I think it's great that this movie gets people talking about important things rather than trival things like Janet Jackson's boob!
One thought that I had though, is that although this movie is very much based on the bible, it is still is art. It is written and directed by Mel Gibson and it is his point of view as to what happened. It may be exactly what really happened, but it may not and I think it's very important for people to keep this in mind.
I totally agree!
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Wow, what a great way to put everything. You said exactly what I was thinking...Thank you for being so forward and truthful with everything. And for looking into the facts!
Congrats on your pregnancy by the way!
Christianne
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Well, to be fair, it's a subject that people are very invested in and facts to one person are not facts to another.
But, more to the point, after talking to people who did see it, they said Mary Magdelene is hardly discussed (so who knows what the reviewer I read was talking about) so it's not really a debate in this movie. And that it's very, very violent, which as I originally said is what would keep me from seeing the movie.
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hey--sorry I didn't answer your post last night (I didn't have the energy to use my good brain cells for one more minute!). Yes, you are geeking out...but that's ok!
Yeah that's really interesting--does it motivate us to rectify wrongs or pacify us? I don't know, but I think about this a lot. I do think though that art has an amazing capacity to confront us with these issues. At least we've got to take the chance that it might motivate some people, while it pacifies others. I mean how many people will actually read what historians write, but they'll go to movie or play!! Plus, I think art does a better job of conveying emotions and other things that can't be described but felt. But it's a fine balance between moving portrayals and voyeurism (or sadism or Schadenfreude). When do we cross that line? Is mimesis a good thing all the time? What do you think??
I do very much think that accuracy is as important as intent in any representation though(ok, maybe historians are picky, but why spread lies). Oh, yes, that get me to your point about Holocaust denial (speaking of liars!). That his father said this is pretty irrelvant to me...Mel'snot his father. If Mel were to deny the Holocaust himself, I would not see the movie and would totally boycott anything he was remotely associated with. Otherwise, Holocaust deniers pretty much only convince themselves and look incredibly stupid when they actually have to explicate their arguments (duh! huge gaps, obvious misunderstandings, etc--and the kicker--how do explain away all the physical evidence of mass death). Ok I won't rant on about these losers any more...
Your question about female sexuality is sooo interesting...I'm going to watch out for that when I see the film! What's your opinion?
ok, this is long enough....
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All I have to say is WOW. I've never seen such an impactful movie ever in my life. Everyone was crying, praying, and otherwise silent.
I wouldn't say that Satan was portrayed as a woman....it was definitley an androgynous character. I think it's just that it was played by a woman. I honestly think that the character wasn't necessary, and it almost ruined the movie for me. I don't think Satan should have had an actual person for its portrayal, but rather a symbol or an idea, you know? Mary Magdelene is a big part in the Bible, also. Society generally degrades prostitutes as less worthy, but Christ accepted Mary openly when she came to him for help to turn her life around.
The gore wasn't as bad as I thought, but mostly because I was prepared for it. But there is a lot of blood, I'll tell you that.
Jenny, I really think that you should see this movie since you're the big producer around her. Maybe you should see it and share some fo your thoughts.
Actually, I think that EVERYONE should see it. It's very moving and it makes you think. OHHHHHHHH I meant to say that I don't think the movie shows Jews as the killer of Christ. In fact, they pull a Jew out of the crowd and he helps Jesus carry his cross. He ends up saving Jesus from a probable death from their beatings.
Anyway, go see this movie, then think about it for a while. If you have anymore questions, just ask!
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I've heard that the film seems anti-women, but of course I haven't seen it and thus can't say anything.
I htink that it only comes off that way because in those days, people pretty much were anti-woman, you know? But they do have awoman help Jesus as he's stumbling and falling from his injuries. And his mother's character was my favorite! She was excellent and showed all of a mother's true feelings!
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Im hoping to go see it today with my husband, his cousin, her husband and our son and his girlfriend (hubby is going to stand in line for tickets)....I think its going to be great and will help people come to CHRIST...I know it graphic but I want to see it...I will let you know how it is.
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