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does anyone believe in paranormal? for your entertainment..this is long.
      #354971 - 01/28/10 11:17 AM

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so there were alot of interesting "haunted" listings and the ones that caght my attention were the ones with spirits conjured into a vessel. and I bought this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310166434678&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123 I could tell there was too many promises in the listing that couldn't be kept but was still curious,intrigued,and bored. I thought perhaps something may be felt,seen in dreams,ect. After searching for more info about things in similar listings I found the pagan's path website and emailed them:

Name: maria

Subject: General Question

Comments: hello. I know nothing about magic and such and have never had a paranormal experience. There were listings on ebay I was intrigued and curious and I purchased a "love DJINN " http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310166434678&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

I was wondering what spirit guide type that is considered is it animal? I am a jumpy easily spooked person,but the seller assured she will only help and not scare me,watch and listen and not appear unless I want her to. What do you think about this?


Greetings Maria,

Thank you for visiting PagansPath and sending your question. I don't think you're going to like my answer though.

The picture is very pretty, and talismans can indeed help a person with certain things. But not like as described on the ebay page. The seller is simply trying to sell something and making claims and giving promises they can't keep.

A talisman can be anything, from a Christian cross to a special animal that you feel connected to. But the object itself has no energy or power. What gives it the energy you desire (such as an object of protection) is what you put into the object. For instance, I wear a necklace that I empowered with the energy to protect my physical and spiritual being. But I had to consecrate the object for this purpose. No one else could or can do this for me.

Additionally, no object can guarantee you will suddenly start loving yourself. Only you can make that choice. No object can guarantee to smooth out problems in an existing relationship or to manifest a loving relationship with someone for you. Look at it this way; everyone has free will and choice. The choices we make create energy that manifests in our life. We cannot make choices for others, and those who try to do this are really trying to make someone do something they might not otherwise do. In my world we call this Spiritual Manipulation and to us that's akin to spiritual rape. So basically it's a very bad thing.

The seller also says they include Invocation and bonding ritual. The bonding I'm assuming is a spell to bind someone to you or bind love to you. Let me ask you, would you want someone to this to you without your knowing? Thus I personally would question their claim of 20years of experience. But not knowing this person I couldn't and wouldn't tell you they're a complete fraud. I would just question their claims and wonder why they would sell something to someone in this fashion.

Additionally if you're not an experienced practitioner of magik, then how can you be sure the bonding ritual will really do what you want it to do? The ritual could be binding you to this seller so you'll buy more items from them. Personally I don't like the idea of people buying and selling spells; you never really know what you're getting. Someone can claim they have empowered a ribbon, talisman or a candle with a certain type of energy; but are you positive you want to take their word for that when it comes to the important things in your life, such as love, money, family or security? Isn't it better to do that on your own? It's not as difficult as you might think.

As for Spirit and Animal guides, Soul Mates and such, let me give you a couple of links on my sites for articles that can give you more information than I can here in an email.


ok this is the ebay seller and me talking now:

Dear mom25705,

ok and I can have her in the house and no one will know? and she won't appear like a ghost? Why do you sell all these spirits. Why don't you keep them for yourself? Do you have all that you want? Do they talk to you about me or say anything about me?

Dear someone-with-iguana,

no one will know unless you wont them to she will not appear unles you wont her to
I do have a few I keep for myself but most are looking for good homes with people that need and wont their help so I pass them on



- mom25705

Dear mom25705,

I think I do want the cat and the love djinn. Can you have your spirits ask them if they like me or you ask them,have them tell you something about me? I hope to not see shadows at night or hear any noises. I don't even sleep with my own cat because it makes noise and I am a very light sleeper.


- Dear someone-with-iguana,

they will not bother your sleep and will nor scear you only help you


- mom25705


another product I asked about
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310187807571&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

Dear mom25705,

I do love cats. I have a cat. This must be right for me? It will be like a ghost and nothing is there but it jumps on my lap? or I just talk to it? sorry I got confused. are you phsycic or anything? can you tell me how my cat feels about me or the relationship?


Dear someone-with-iguana,

these one of the easist spirits to work with you do not need to bond or anything just talk to him / her and hold the vessel you might see shadows or her him purr from time to time but nothing scary
blessings


- mom25705

Dear mom25705,

don't need to bond? what is bonding with a spirit? also don't forget to answere my other emails,plz. Should I get this one or the other cat one you listed? is it ok with other pets in the house? my mom or dad won't see a shadow or hear a purr?

Dear someone-with-iguana,

bonding is a way for a spirit to get to know you and you become its master takes a few words and candles I thank the cat would good for a new person with magic and spirits no one else would see or hear the cat other than you
blessings

Dear mom25705,

will it like me even though I am just a regular person thats never had a paranormal experience? WIll it be jelous of my cat,my cat and I are really close she "talks" to me all day and jumps on my lap,even waits for me to get home from work. Will it get mad and turn evil?

Dear someone-with-iguana,

it will not be up set with your or your cat and turn bad



- mom25705


I have a few concerns I hope you would answere. It seems kind of suspicious that people are selling spells. You can't know for sure your what your getting because all you have is someone's word.

I There are obviously claims and promises in the listing that can't be kept such as it can do anything or make me love myself,well no one can make me love myself,except myself,even so I thought it would still be a cool or helpfull thing to have. Although, after doing my res know nothing about magic and how can it be guranteed the bonding ritual will do what I want it to? What if you are binding me to you so I buy more of your items,or something else I wouldn't do if I knew? That would be wrong without my knowledge. This is something I would not do and it would be Spiritual Manipulation,or spiritual rape.

after I did research and thingking I am uneasy. Yes,I agreed to pay and you will get your money....If you do not answere every concern and question in this email,I will definently be more uneasy and not trust you.

I also read Djinns are pretty rebelious,don't like people,nasty,and to never turn your back on them.



no one is trying to get you to buy anything
I never said I guaranteed you after you bonded with
any spirit it would do everything you wonted I said the spirit
would work with you to help get what you need in life
this kind of email is very upsetting to both me and the spirit

no need to pay the spirit will never trust you with all these doubts
and will not work right with you the spirit would unhappy

you can see from my feedback I have never lied to anyone
and only sold them the spirits they wonted my spirits have never
been nasty to anyone and never will
blessings


ok what should I do now?

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My answer is a simple NO! new
      #354975 - 01/28/10 11:48 AM
Windchimes

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I am a Christian and believe in God's holy word. We believe that when you enter into Satan's territory you are headed for serious trouble.

Do you have a bible? Do you have any interest in attending a bible-based church that will teach you the loving ways of a God who created you and loves you? We all have stumbling blocks in our lives and these can be overcome by the love of others. Getting involved in the occult will only bring you down and eventually destroy you.

This is my opinion based on experience and I give others the freedom to make their own choices, even if it destroys them in the end. This is called 'free will' in the bible.

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Re: My answer is a simple NO! I second this NO NO NO! new
      #354980 - 01/28/10 12:41 PM
mrae

Reged: 02/05/09
Posts: 481
Loc: California

I to am a Christian and absoultely would not mess with witchery or occults they are nothing but evil and I would hate to see anyone get wrapped up in them. They will destroy you in the end. Maybe try reading the bible and praying on your issues and see if that will help you.

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Re: does anyone believe in paranormal? for your entertainment..this is long. new
      #354984 - 01/28/10 01:18 PM
Gerikat

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To each his own, I say, but it wouldn't be my choice to delve into this type of thing.

However, I don't know if this is appropriate for this board. I know the LR board is open for discussions other than IBS, but I don't know Heather's parameters on what is appropriate and what is not.

Before you continue this thread, aperson, you may want to touch base with Heather.



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Re: My answer is a simple ...yes. new
      #354995 - 01/28/10 07:42 PM
dragonfly

Reged: 05/12/08
Posts: 1088
Loc: canada

I totally believe in something else.I believe in spirits and ghosts.
I too am Christian but with an open mind.

However..i totally believe that whatever you bought from ebay is a hoax...she suckered you.

I did alot of research at one point about satanism and found very credible stories.
Did I believe everything I read?
No.But I have never personally experienced any paranormal activity.Does that mean it doesn't exist?
I don't know?I think for those who can blindly believe that there is a God when in reality we really don't KNOW...why can't there be ghosts?

I'm sorry but if you really want to learn more you have to do your own research.Figure out what you can,but going on the words of someone selling you something......well the point is shes trying to SELL you something I wouldn't trust her.
Just my humble opinion.




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Spirituality and sales do not mix. new
      #355001 - 01/28/10 10:13 PM
DanaDivine

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Re: does anyone believe in paranormal? for your entertainment..this is long. new
      #355018 - 01/29/10 02:35 PM
kim123

Reged: 07/18/06
Posts: 543
Loc: Florida

Just wondering...what are you hoping will happen as a result of buying this?-What are your intentions?

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