Knitting Help -- Bevvy? Casey?
#229743 - 12/06/05 04:26 PM
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After knitting a million blankets, scarves, and other rectangular things, I finally got ambitious enough to make a mock-cableknit sweater for my 1-yr-old neice. It's a cardigan. I did the back panel and the left front panel. Where the buttons / button holes go is ribbed for a few stiches, and then there is one cable on each panel. The left front panel began with the pattern and then I just knit to the end of the row. The right front panel begins with the flat part and then when you get down to 10 stiches left, you have to work the pattern. Problem is, they only give me instructions for 9 stiches. My mom and I tried it a million times. I took it to a knitting store (not the place that sold me the pattern), they confirmed that it was screwed up, and told me "just do the reverse of the other panel," but I'm afraid I'm not that skilled. I'm going to type in the pattern for the side that worked, and then for the side that was flawed, and see if any of you gurus can help me. Thanks so much!
This is exactly as it appears, including parentheticals. Anything I've added is in red.
Left front (I'll omit the edging that goes along the bottom, and the buttonhole instructions). This is the side that worked
Cast on 39 sts.
Row 1 (right side) Knit to last 10 sts; P1, K3 (for mock cable patt); (P1, K1) 3 times (for front band)
Row 2: (P1,K1) 3 times; P3, K1, purl rem sts.
Row 3: Knit to last 10 sts, P1, sl 1 (as to knit), K2, PSSO (Pass slipped st over both knitted sts -- for cable twist); (P1, K1) 3 times
Row 4: (P1, K1) 3 times; P1 YO (counts as one st), P1, K1, purl rem sts.
Rep last 4 rows....
Right Front This is the side that doesn't work
Cast on 39 sts.
Row 1 (right side):
(K1,P1) 3 times (for front band); K3, P1 (for mock cable); knit rem sts.
Row 2: Purpl to last 10 sts (This must be a typo, right? I purled here) ; K1, P3; (K1,P1) 3 times
Row 3: (K1, P1) 3 times, sl 1, K2, PSSO; P1, knit rem sts
Row 4: here's where I have the problem Purl to last 10 sts; K1, P1, YO (counts as one st), P1; (K1, P1) 3 times.
The problem is that it says to go to the last 10 stiches, then only gives me 9 things to do, since the YO doesn't use up a st from my left kneedle. So I'm left with one st every time. Can you help me please?
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Hey AmandaPanda,
First of all, CONGRATULATIONS on tackling such a project! A sweater is difficult enough, but a cable stitch? Girl, you got GUTS! (I hope you did a gauge guide before you started!)
It's frustrating when patterns are printed with typos. It bugs the hell out of me! I subscribe to several knitting magazines, and Vogue Knitting is one of them. They're always publishing "corrections" in subsequent issues, and you have to keep up with them, find the past issues and mark them accordingly. Pain in the A$$!
Your pattern appears to have a typo problem. Yes, most definitely, "purpl" is a typo and should be "purl." I'm surprised that the knit shop helped you; usually, if you didn't buy the yarn from them, they show you the door. And they gave you the right advice; the left side has to match the right, so you would follow the advice for the opposite side, but just reverse the order of stitches on that given row. In other words, the instructions for the 4th row of the left front say, "Row 4: (P1, K1) 3 times; P1 YO (counts as one st), P1, K1, purl rem sts." You would just reverse them.
You say that the problem concerns those last 10 stiches, but when I counted them, there were ten, if you include the YO. You see, the pattern is to decrease a stitch in row 3, then increase it back in row 4, so that you should end up with the same number of stitches.
You with me?
Row 3, you decrease that one stitch ("PSSO"), then when you get to that point in Row 4, you increase that stitch back by the "YO."
Count backwards on that Row 4. You have the "(K1, P1) 3 times," which is 6 stitches, okay? Then you have the "P1" which makes 7, then the "YO," which makes 8," and the remaining "K1, P1" which makes 10.
I hope this helps. If not, just scream.
Bevvy
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Okay Let's picture that I have 10 stitches on my left needle:
x x x x x x x x x x
now I knit one:
left needle x x x x x x x x x right needle x
now P1
left: x x x x x x x x right: x x
now YO, If I understand yarning over, I don't take anything off the left needle, I just loop the yarn around my right needle, right? So I get:
left: x x x x x x x x right: x x x
now P1
left: x x x x x x x right: x x x x
now K1 P1 K1 P1 K1 P1
left:x right: x x x x x x x x x x
And I'm still left with that one on my left needle.
Am I wrong about what Yarning Over is?
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I would have said the same thing, but explained it in twice as many words, and probably confused the living daylights out of you (and myself in the process, heh).
Flawed patterns drive me CRAZY. At one of my past jobs, one of my many hats was 'editor', and so I probably get twice as peeved as a normal person when a pattern is very obviously not edited, proofread, etc. Vogue Knitting is one of the worst as far as magazines go. And I'm working from something from Stitch 'n Bitch Nation (the second book by Debbie Stoller) right now, and an entire SECTION of the pattern is missing. Missing! How do you *lose* an entire chunk of a pattern?!
Anyway, all my ranting aside, I just wanted to sympathize/commiserate a little. How do you like the actual cabling? I love it... cabled things are my favorites to knit right now; once you get the hang of them, they go very quickly.
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Thanks for responding, but maybe I need remedial training! I think I must be misunderstanding what Yarning over is, because I don't take a stitch off my left needle when I do it. I am so confused! I'm more than 2/3rds done with this sweater and now I'm at a standstill!
It's raglan sleeves so the decreasing and stuff all looks weird to me, and I want to see what it looks like when it's all sewn together. I kind of want to start on the sleeves but I'm afraid to do anymore if I've already screwed up.
I really do love knitting, but it's driving me nuts!
Thanks for your help!
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YO and PSSO
#229779 - 12/06/05 07:06 PM
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Bevvy
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YO is increasing. PSSO is decreasing. You do one on one row, and the other on the next. Don't you remember how you did the first side? You just do the other side, only in reverse.
I'm sorry, but I'm having a little difficulty understanding your illustration. If you YO, you should have another stitch, one more than in the previous row. Then, the next row, you decrease by doing that "PSSO" thing. Thus, you end up with the same number of stitches in the four-row pattern.
My suggestion would be to pull out some leftover yarn and some extra needles and re-do the first side that you finished successfully, concentrating on what you did for those 4 rows in the 4-row pattern. Do 8 or 16 rows, then drop it, pick up the sweater side you're having problems with, and I'll bet you'll see it.
I don't understand why you can't see it when you've already knit up the entire back and one side; those 4 rows should be like "second nature" to you by now.
Alternatively, you could always return to the shop that helped you and offer to pay them to instruct you. If they're not real busy, they may just help you free of charge. You could perhaps buy a pattern book or some needles or something.
I know it's frustrating; I've been there. But that's also how I learned to knit, by being frustrated and figuring it out -- the hard way. Hopefully you'll have better luck at the yarn shop than I did.
Bev
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Ack!
#229780 - 12/06/05 07:12 PM
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I wish I had a better vocabulary / understanding of this. Thanks so much for your patience. I did look at the other side but it's still not making sense to me. It says to get down to 10 stitches left. Then the instructions only take 9 stitches off the kneedle, because the YO doesn't take a stitch off. See, K1 takes off one. P1 makes 2. YO doesn't use any. P1 makes three. K1,P1 three times is six more sts, which gets us to 9. There's still one on the needle, unless I'm a total dolt!
Time for a new hobby. Backgammon, anyone?
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I'm going to try and see what happens if I just go to 9 remaining sts instead of 10. I'll let you both know. Thanks for the help!
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Thanks for your help, ladies. I tried starting the pattern when I have 9 remaining sts instead of 10, and it's working out beautifully. Now I'm at the part of the sweater where I have to start decreasing for the armhole, and I hope it comes out okay. The other side looks really weird, but maybe that's how raglan is supposed to look before it's all sewn together. After I finish this panel I just have the sleeves and the neck band, and then have to sew it all together. My mom showed me how to do the sleeves side by side on the same needle, so I don't have to keep counting rows. I thought that was genius. So, I'll let you know how those go and I'll post a pic when I'm all done. The only other thing I'm worried about is that I'm kind of eyeballing the button holes and I think they look pretty off, but my little neice is just going to have to deal with a unique sweater! 
Thanks ladies!
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I read Amanda's and Bevrs' posts, and I want to scream! I can't figure out how anyone can do that. I can't even sew a button on a shirt without getting frustrated!
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