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I'm SO angry!
      #208835 - 08/26/05 11:51 AM
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My insurance won't pay for outpatient therapy like my psychiatrist wants me to do. I can't keep unloading here or on hubby (sorry guys...but the purpose of this site is NOT to help someone with bipolar or sexual abuse...but IBS and related issues).

I have been on the phone all morning and no one has groups for my issues. Restate...there is one for depression and one for self esteem and the closest we get. While I DO have depression and low self esteem...I have BIPOLAR which isNOT plain depression and sexual abuse issues that cause the low self esteem.

These groups might be helpful to me on some levl but it's like an overeater going to an alcoholics group. Helps but not all the way...make sense?

I feel SO alone!

I'm sick and tired of needing help and not being able to get it. Story of y life.

And puppy needs eye helps for $200 dollars...but we can;'t afford groceries or for my psychiatric care.

Oh well.

G-d must provide....I cannot do this anymore


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Lots of love.... new
      #208836 - 08/26/05 11:54 AM
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is unfortunately all I can do to help, I fear. I wish I could more help! Does your psychiatrist have any other options? Could you maybe get your psychiatrist to talk to your insurance company?

*HUGS* I'm so sorry, I wish I could help more!

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Re: I'm SO angry! new
      #208838 - 08/26/05 12:06 PM
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Oh, Rache, I'm sorry things aren't looking up. Talk about an uphill battle.

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Re: Lots of love.... new
      #208839 - 08/26/05 12:09 PM
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Oh honey, I'm so sorry. It just doesn't seem fair, you've been through enough already! Can your dr's recommened a counselor that may accept a reduce fee for self pay? You can come here any time for support. Although most of us have not been through what you have been through, we can at least offer our hugs and support! Lots of love and hugs!!

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Big hugs new
      #208843 - 08/26/05 12:32 PM
Augie

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I have never heard of an insurance company not paying for outpatient therapy. Even HMO's will pay for a set amount of appointments each year...like 10 or 20.

Have you used them up already?

I agree with Michele. Try to find one that will pay on a sliding scale basis. Kelly (Vicam) is doing this now.

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Outpatient Hospitalization new
      #208859 - 08/26/05 12:52 PM
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Thanks y'all...

I must not have been clear. This is for outpatient at a hospital group therapy. They will NOT pay for this. Therapy is not enough for me...outpatient work is a step down from being hospitalzed and what is recommended for most people when released from the hospital as in-patients.

Therapy is great...but I need a LOT of help. And I will not be getting it.

There are NO sexual abuse support groups in my area...I have tried 3 times this past year to find one...they are all disbanned.

I cannot call hubby a zillion times a day at work. I cannot expect him to understand what I am feeling/going through. I need real live people I can call, go for lunch with, etc. and get ideas from on how to live with sexual abuse, bipolar, etc. How do I have normal conversations, how do I have fun, etc. I need to be with people in my situation and to see folks that have been where I am and made it. This is what my psych wants and why she suggested outpatient hospitalization...

Keep thinking...cause I can't keep living like this...and neither can hubby

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OH, you mean like... new
      #208864 - 08/26/05 12:57 PM
Augie

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an outpatient day program...where you spend the day there going to groups and things like that?

I've heard great things about them. They are very popular now as insurance companies don't have to pay for the patient to stay overnight.

This would be a fantastic thing for you!!! They are great! You get so much intensive therapy in a shorter time period. I will need to think about how to get you into this program!

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Re: Outpatient Hospitalization new
      #208881 - 08/26/05 01:48 PM
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Do you have any colleges or universities near you Ruchie?

I'd maybe check there for sexual abuse support groups etc. I know that were I went to undergrad they offered a few free support groups.

Also, if you have colleges near you, you could totally call their psychology departments and ask them if they have any ideas. Students about the get their Phds used to do free counseling at my school for people in the community, and some would run free groups as practice.

Also, they may run psychological research groups etc

just a thought!

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Good Idea Ashley new
      #208888 - 08/26/05 02:09 PM
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You may have some teaching hospitals around where you live. They may be able to help. If not tell your doctor that you want to be hospitalized....NEED to be, if only for a few days. Did you tell him how desparate you are? If all else fails go to the cops and tell them you are afraid you are going to hurt yourself. They have to give you help then.

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Re: Good Idea Ashley new
      #208891 - 08/26/05 02:17 PM
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I will ask hubby where the newest university is. Thanks Ahsley *hugs*

Carol...I will still have to PAY for hopsitalization even if I'm suicidal...and we just can't afford that unless I truly AM in acute dangwer. I've decided that self-hard might be what I FEEL like but it makes things worse in the long run. Oh what I wouldn't give for a cigarette (which is odd cause I'm not a SMOKER!!!), a drink (NOT a drinker), et....but I know it's cause I want a release of all the feelings. I can't cook for Shabbos, no running weater in the house. Can't drive a car cause of the tegretol. Can't go outside cause the sun makes me sick (tegretol)...so I'm release-less...

So I keep writing. And I miht put on some music and punch air soon...

Keep the ideas and love/support...Ashley, if the UNI is close by, you might be on to something

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Re: Is it just me, or do we Canadians... new
      #208895 - 08/26/05 02:29 PM
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Is it just me, or do we Canadians have more 'covered' options re: health care? Sure we have an obscene MD shortage--but it seems that we have more programs, options, etc.

Honestly, Rache--I don't know your rules, your system, what's in your area.

Lots of love and hang on to yourself. If it were me in your situation/conditions, I'd pull a little 'drama queen' out of the closet. Seriously. I am not advising anything, though.
I am also not suggesting anything. I am merely making a comment.

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Ruchie new
      #208901 - 08/26/05 02:32 PM
BL

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Ruchie,

I took Tegretol for more than a year, and although it did make me a little tired, I still drove---and I went out in the sun! I don't think you have to give these things up just because you're on the medicine.

Now I wouldn't recommend going to the beach and sitting outside in the blazing sun for 5 hours and I wouldn't drive cross-country by myself if I were you, but you can go out in the sun and you should be able to drive around town.

The medicine is supposed to help you live as normal a life as possible and it should improve your quality of life, not make you a hermit!

Also, are you IBS-C or D? Because I noticed you said you're taking Klonopin. I take it occasionally, and when I do, it makes me C. I know everyone's different, but I just wondered if you noticed that it made your C worse.

I hope you can find a therapy group soon. I'll pray that God will open some doors for you!

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Re: I'm SO angry! new
      #208905 - 08/26/05 02:37 PM
Kree

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Oh Ruchie, that's terrible! Insurance companies make me so angry sometimes. All they care about is their bottom line. I'll keep you in my prayers. I hope you find something that will help you feel better.

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Re: Ruchie new
      #208907 - 08/26/05 02:38 PM
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Hi BL *hugs*

For now, in the upping dose stages, I am forgetful and it is unsafe for me to drive. And the AZ sun is tooooo bright and hot for me for now. The Ativan is helping the anxiety or I WOULD need to be hospitalized right now!

Ativan does make C worse...I take magnesium and it seems to be helping!

I'm getting through today by being real and honest with my feelings. By FEELING them. This is one of THE hardest things I've ever done...but I'm making it right now...

I NEED HELP. But for now I am helping myself. Can I do this every day on my own/ I doubt it. But for now I am doing it for this moment....

I love you BL...you're right...Tegretol is supposed to help! And it will...I hope...and if not we will switch to another drug. But if I can be stable...not going out in the sun is ok with me. (Driving will be another story)

Thanks for loving me back *big hugs*



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Re: Is it just me, or do we Canadians... new
      #208929 - 08/26/05 03:27 PM
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I think we definately have more options that are covered for us, the good thing about our system is that even if you're dirt poor you'll still be able to get lots of help...but they've been taking stuff away (chiropractic, physiotherapy for example). Even with our terrible doctor shortage I think I'd still take our system over the US.

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Re: I'm SO angry! new
      #208930 - 08/26/05 03:29 PM
Vicam

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I'm so sorry to hear this I can't believe there aren't any bipolar support groups around...that's just terrible. Could you call around to some places and see if maybe they could work out a sliding scale fee schedule for you? Or payment plans?

Sorry also to hear about your doggy...I can sympathize on that one as my cat's vet bills are getting scary and I don't know where we're going to get the money from. I've been selling my clothes on Ebay

Hang in there, email me anytime
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What if your doc called the insurance company? new
      #208947 - 08/26/05 04:35 PM
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Insurance companies make exceptions all the time. Would insurance pay if you were an inpatient?

Here in California, there is a law that says if you have a diagnosed mental illness, insurance companies cannot put a cap on your number of visits per year.

I don't know what your exact policy says, but maybe you would gain some headway if your doctor called the insurance company? Ashley's university idea is a great one, too.

Big hugs, Ruchie!

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I think that doctors can appeal cases new
      #208984 - 08/26/05 06:47 PM
Augie

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...if the doctor fills out papers and explains the need for treatment.

But, then again, if the husband's work does not have this coverage in there insurance plan (ie, if the company does not pay the insurance company for this coverage) then the employees may not have a chance. I found this out when I tried to get Pelvic Floor Physical Therapy.

I'd still try the appeal though. It can't hurt to try.

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Kate, I didn't know you were Canuck! From where? new
      #209010 - 08/26/05 07:55 PM
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Yes, we are waaaaayyy more covered than these poor friends of ours to the south. A hospital stay should never cost us a cent. I go in a few times a year and have never been charged for anything but my TV.
That's how it SHOULD be, IMHO!

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Ruchie, new
      #209013 - 08/26/05 08:01 PM
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Oh, girl, you poor thing! Does it ever end for you? augh!I don't know what else to add, other than we are all here for you, and I'd love to talk and help you through things. As a former victim of abuse of some kind, I can offer a little bit of insight, right?

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Re: Kate, I didn't know you were Canuck! From where? new
      #209022 - 08/26/05 08:19 PM
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Hey Shannon! I'm from Waterloo, Ontario--and you?

I totally agree with you re: hospital visits! I've only ever had to pay t.v./phone bills! LOL. We Canucks are lucky.

Kate.

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all I can say is good luck! new
      #209051 - 08/27/05 07:00 AM
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but I second the recommendations to check with your doc and colleges and to appeal the insurance via your doc!

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Been thinking about you new
      #209060 - 08/27/05 08:38 AM
ecmmbm

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I've had to fight insurance battles lately like crazy. Here's what I've learned.

Complaints in writing seem to mean more.

Have your hubby write it instead of you (awful but true, they think we women whine about ourselves, and I'm guessing covereage is under him anyway?)

List out every single thing you've already tried on your own to improve your situaion.

List out what your doctor fears will happen if you do not get this treatment. Explain in very clear terms what cost that will mean for them (in-patient care if you were to become truly anorexic or suicidal). I might even touch on liability from their part should you ever harm yourself (God forbid, shudder at the thought).

Tell them they can expect to hear from your doctor again, and a little TRICK that is nice, copy in attornies!!!! Put the cc: to "so and so attorney" on the letter to the insurance company, the WILL see it there. Don't even send it to an attorney if you dont' have one but it's just a little way of saying, "We're not dropping this!!!"

HTH in some way, hon. If it doesn't work out will just pray there are other ways for you to get help you need.

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Just outside Edmonton! new
      #209083 - 08/27/05 10:51 AM
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And yes-I don't think my parents could have kept me as a kid if I'd have lived in the U.S-trhey'd have had to shoot me because I was constantly in the hospital.
'course, 20/20 hindsight-they could have just not SMOKED IN THE ROOM WITH ME!!!

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Re: Kate, I didn't know you were Canuck! From where? new
      #209145 - 08/27/05 04:55 PM
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OMG Kate! I went to Laurier for my Undergrad!!!!! I love Waterloo! I'm in Tillsonburg. We were thinking of a get together this fall when Laurel (Retrograde) gets back to school with Betharoo (Woodstock) and Kelly (Vicam - London) Would you like to join us? I'd love to meet you in person. It seems like we have a lot in common.

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Re: Just outside Edmonton! new
      #209158 - 08/27/05 05:51 PM
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LOL! Whenever my Great Aunt and Uncle talk about hospitalization costs (they hail from Chicago) it's in terms of selling their house/possessions just to foot the bill.

Indeed, we Canucks are lucky.

Kate.

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Re: Kate, I didn't know you were Canuck! From where? new
      #209159 - 08/27/05 05:53 PM
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Sounds like a great party! It's a small world. Indeed, Alicia--we have alot in common. How's life these days?

Kate.

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Re: Kate, I didn't know you were Canuck! From where? new
      #209256 - 08/28/05 12:23 PM
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Life's pretty good, thanks. Bipolar is pretty stable but the OCD is getting worse. I think the luvox needs an increase. I've started the hand washing again. As fall looms on, my OCD and anxiety get worse. I hate fall/winter as OCD is at its worst. How about you?

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Would "sunlight therapy" help you? new
      #209261 - 08/28/05 01:00 PM
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I don't understand much about this but I can say with certainty that as the days get shorter and we spend less time in the sun, I start to feel more "blue". I cannot say with certainty whether it is the decrease in physical activity or literally the amount of sunlight I take in, but it is real for me! I know you are deailng with a lot more than the blues, but just wondered if there was any connection. I am considering doign a tanning bed just 5-10 minutes every few days through winter to see if it helps (and I've always made such FUN of year-round tanaholics, too!!!)

Hugs to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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sniff-the Westie will just stay here.... new
      #209263 - 08/28/05 01:36 PM
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I never get to know many westerners on any message boards, lol!

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Actually, you have something there.... new
      #209264 - 08/28/05 01:39 PM
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I get S.A.D (seasonal affective disorder) in the winter, or when I am really shut in in the summer. A lack of sunlight and vitamin D causes you to definitely be blue, and the further north in Canada you live, the more prominant it is. I don't ever get a full blown depression, but I want to hibernate, eat carbs, and just be kind of sad.

Every February or so, I go for a few tanning sessions and it makes a big diff. in my mood.And eating!

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What I decided to do for now... new
      #209272 - 08/28/05 02:09 PM
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First of all, thank you for the hugs, love, recommendations, advice, and SUPPORT *hugs*

I went to my first in-person Overeaters Anonymous meeting today! I DID IT! Hubby came along...and it was actually good...I plan to go back every day this week

I will get support this way for one of my issues.

As for sexual abuse support in addition to therapy, I plan to call the local uni like Ashley suggested...keep y'all posted!

For bipolar support there is a depression support group and I plan to try that.

I will MAKE what is available free of charge work for me OR I WILL speak to my psych and send something in writing and BE HEARD and I WILL get the help I need...and I know I can count on all of you to help me through!

I love you al soooooooooooooooo much *big huge hugs* for my family!!!!

Love, Ruch

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OH - I'm so so proud for you!!! Can't you see... new
      #209274 - 08/28/05 02:13 PM
ecmmbm

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... this is over half the battle, just stickign up for yourself and going out there to get help?? I'm so proud of you I'm grinning all over myself!!

Better get back to cleaning up - kids and hubby are on their way home!

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I've told you this before... new
      #209276 - 08/28/05 02:30 PM
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I am sooooo very, very proud of you. You've made leaps and bounds and I'm so glad you're getting yourself help!

Lots of love and hugs!

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Re: Alicia/OCD/SAD new
      #209277 - 08/28/05 02:33 PM
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I feel the change in the air, already! I picked up cruise brochures, even. Autumn and winter are the worst (understatement)! I'm taking the full dose of Buspar, which helps, but I'm already coping with secular distractions. There are a few months of the year that are so bad I cannot speak. I honestly have to put a "bubble" around myself. The handwashing, the hairpulling, the cleaning, the counting...all the rituals...I'm taking a peak at a Conestoga College calendar for something arty to zen-out/zone with, i.e. calligraphy. I have to keep this hands busy and it may as well be with something creative and mindfully mindless. I'm already not sleeping. I don't want to go out; I don't want to do anything. Unless I'm on drugs, eating is a battle. SO, I'm definitely on drugs!!!

Kate.

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Re: Would "sunlight therapy" help you? new
      #209278 - 08/28/05 02:36 PM
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Nope. One of the side effects of tegretol is increased light/heat sensitivity. Seriously, I have black curtains over my blinds. I wear sunglasses, even in the evenings--any flickering, even from the t.v. and I'm spazzing! I nap all afternoon and am awake all night long. It's a regular installment of 'the Witching hours' over here! Light makes me scream--it's painful.

Kate.

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Re: Reaching out/Ruchie new
      #209280 - 08/28/05 02:52 PM
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I know how alone you feel. I know how much you desire attention and audience--I hope the groups are an effective and healing distraction from yourself. Congratulations on testing the waters, taking some initiative. Sounds like you learned a few lessons from "A Man Loves A Woman."

Katie.



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Go Ruchie!-nt new
      #209283 - 08/28/05 03:31 PM
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Re: Alicia/OCD/SAD new
      #209297 - 08/28/05 05:08 PM
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I know all about the bubble. I seriously want to retreat into one for the winter - I have a terrible fear of germs and especially viruses - especially running rampant in the winter. Oh, I so hate winter. I live in terror for months on end. It's even worse with the kids - Liam is starting JK and will be bringing home stuff. Sigh. I'm depressed just thinking of it. I'm on Epival (bipolar) Luvox (OCD) Wellbutrin (just cause), and a very small dose of an anti psychotic to help me get to sleep (Sequitol or something like that). I was a nervous wreck today - washed hands all day long. Here we go again. Hellllp!!!

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Re: Alicia/OCD/SAD new
      #209301 - 08/28/05 05:57 PM
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I've been dusting baseboards with a toothbrush--I'm a scour demon, today. I'm going to pop a pill--my hands are raw and my nose is burning. Aie!!! Sore knees.

I can't imagine living with the responsibilities of kids/family, Alicia & bipolar/ocd. You are one helluva brave woman! Most days, surviving myself and myselves is challenging.

We sure are wired differently than the rest of the world.

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Re: Alicia/OCD/SAD new
      #209309 - 08/28/05 07:07 PM
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I just wanted to jump in here...I'm not quite that bad yet with the OCD but I feel myself going down that road, and I definately suffer from SAD so I know it'll get worse soon. I feel so much better when I can get out in the summer for a short walk in the sun, I hate the winter!

Anyways, I've found the obsessive thinking getting worse (going over things 1000 times in my head) and handwashing and just being overly repetitive about things. I also seem to have a severe obsession with time...everything has to be on an exact schedule.

I'm not currently taking any meds for this becasue I refuse them, I take an anti-anxiety drug to keep me from going right off the deep end but nothing else...do you guys think it's possible to get through this with just therapy and no meds or am I being dumb?

Kelly

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Re: Alicia/OCD/SAD new
      #209314 - 08/28/05 08:27 PM
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Kelly,

Personally, I'm intolerable without the meds. I cannot even stand myself without the meds. I truly believe that it's neurochemical--I know it is for me! I've been this way my whole entire life.

Indeed--it's a psychotrophic life. Somedays I feel like a goldfish. Eventually I get exaughsted enough and pass out for a REM cycle or two, only to awaken and do it all over and over and over again...a music box dancer.

If only someone could rewind the hands of time, reset the clock. There aren't enough minutes, seconds...

Confession: I can't even sit through a therapy session! That's how 'trapped' I feel--how strong the impulses are!

I'm having a low-self esteem night. Sorry; we had a big party here last night and I've been washing,disinfecting,cleaning everything obsessively. (Yes, before the cleaning lady comes only to have me pay her to do it! How warped can you get. If you saw my arms--how skinny they are from the washing...you'd be scared--they freak people out. ) I just popped some pills an hour ago, so maybe I'll squeeze in some down time. I'm just stir crazy.

I haven't been able to lose this creepy warped programming.
I only reprogram myself to another activity. I wonder who/what the choreographer is, sometimes.

It's something to do, to kill time is this nothing life. In a strange way, I hope my OCD/GAD kills me, i.e. wears me out.

Morbidly yours,
Kate.

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Re: Alicia/OCD/SAD new
      #209317 - 08/28/05 08:58 PM
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Yeah, I'm starting to feel pretty "intolerable" and I think bf is starting to agree. Unless I'm taking large doses of Klonopin so I'm so sedated I just can't care about my obsessions, I'm a wreck. It's not good.

You're recovering from an ED right? Does the fact that a lot of the meds used to treat OCD can cause weight gain bother you? That's why I won't go on them...because in the past I've had extreme weight gain (40lbs even) from them, and I'm recovering from an ED now and have gotten to a good weight and don't want to put any on

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Re: Vicam/meds./weight gain new
      #209329 - 08/29/05 12:35 AM
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My meds. have not caused me to gain an ounce!

Try buspar. Lately, it's so funny, but I have a heck of a time getting to 1000 calories. These meds. totally numb the appetite.

Mind you, 5 years ago, in my mid twenties, I normally barely weighed less than a hundred pounds. I just eat as much as I can/desire...

I'm no longer anorexic, but orthorexic. I'm more obsessed with the what...and the source of it, the 'properness' of prep., the cutlery...all the stupid details...when i take my pills, though...it's all null and void. The only foods that stay down are vegetables, so that's all I eat, now.

Here's a quick definition of orthorexia nervosa:

--it's a tern coined by Stephen Bratman, M.D. to describe a 'pathological fixation' on eatin 'proper' or 'pre' or 'superior' food
--it is an obsission over what to eat, how much to eat, how to prepare food 'properly', and where to obtain 'pre' and 'proper' food.

It's so funny. On these pills, the rules of the game are less rigid and I can squeeze in a smile or two.

(don't mind me--I'm taking a sleeping intermission. I am one of those people that wake up and do ritual 'checking'--the door thing, tonight)(I need some cold air/nightmares!)

Kate.

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Re:Kelly new
      #209401 - 08/29/05 09:45 AM
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Effexor is an excellent AD for OCD and anxiety. It is one of the very few that don't cause weight gain. It really does sound like you have OCD too. Try ocdfoundation.org - I think they even have online tests you can take.

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Re: Kate new
      #209402 - 08/29/05 09:49 AM
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It sounds like to me that the meds aren't strong enough for you. When was the last time you saw your Doc? Are you working right now? Are you in CBT? I have found that helpful. Torturous, but helpful. Not trying to be nosy - I'm just worried cause I care about you. I see myself in you in so many ways. Have you talked to anyone but us about this?

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Congrats, Ruchie! new
      #209419 - 08/29/05 10:19 AM
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I bet you'll find quite a few victims of sexual abuse in an OA group. So many of us eat because of shame....I considered going to OA too but I realized I have metabolic problems, I don't overeat.

Good luck with everything, God be with you!

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Re: Kate, I didn't know you were Canuck! From where? new
      #209457 - 08/29/05 11:14 AM
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Welcome to another Canuck on the board. Cool!



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Re: Kate new
      #209547 - 08/29/05 02:13 PM
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I have never worked. I'm too scared and have nothing to offer. My father funds my life, rather generously, thankfully. (Spoiled rotten at age 31.) What's CBT? Seriously, Alicia--I think I was just having a demonic weekend re: OCD/GAD. I saw my MD last week. In reality, this past weekend was nothing compared to how I was prior to meds.

I think I'm just having a mini-mid-life crisis. You know how you have days/moments when reality/aging comes to consciousness and you realize that you're nowhere and that there really is nowhere you want to be because you've stopped giving yourself permission to dream, to visualize, to be creative, to learn...it's a case of having given up on the potential of oneself to expand, improve and grow. The only reason you keep on going is because it is the proper thing to do, the legal thing to do and because really you know not what else to do. Somehow you fill in the big blank between waking and sleeping with the activities associated with being a human being.

Last year I was worse. My orthorexia was in full swing. I would spend hours wandering hunting for the most perfect banana, only to reject it. What a joke.

Confession: I've been o'd-ing on caffeine, which makes that OCD/GAD worse and flushes the meds. from my system really fast.

Is it just me, or do things get more extreme/intense as we age? Every year feels harder, more visceral with this trash!

I'll be fine--I'm a survivor. I can weather most storms alone.

Kate.

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Re: Kate new
      #209589 - 08/29/05 04:52 PM
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You should really be seeing a psychiatrist for meds - they know them better than your MD. Ask for a referral. CBT = Cognitive Behaviour Therapy. It's where you're exposed to a situation that makes you uncomfortable and you have to resist the compulsion. IE Starting off slow - I had to pick up someone elses pen and NOT wash my hands afterward. You start really slow and work your way up. It's uncomfortable but it really works. I've gotten over some really big hurdles. OCD treatment is usually best with CBT AND meds. A psychologist does the CBT.

Don't give up dreaming. My psychologist said that us in our 30's often are worse because it finally catches up to us - ie. our teens and twenties are too busy. Suddenly we're 30 and boom. It hits full force. You will get better. Don't stop dreaming. Little steps. The prognosis for GAD and OCD are extremely good with the right med combo and therapy. Ask your MD about a psychologist and psychiatrist referral.

PS my e-mail is hansolo890@hotmail.com - e-mail me anytime. We're taking up a lot of board space here! LOL!

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Re: Alicia, thanks! new
      #209600 - 08/29/05 05:41 PM
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I'll pop you an e-note. I actually do see a psychiatrist for meds. and a neurologist. You're right--we're taking up too much board space!

Later,
Kate.

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ladies, new
      #209641 - 08/29/05 10:43 PM
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I have found it fascinating to read about how you feel, though. My stepmom has OCD and is a hoarder. I often feel for her, it's got to be tough. Thank you for teaching me a little bit about OCD. God bless you both and I hope that you will someday see a cure.

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Re: ladies, new
      #209670 - 08/30/05 06:12 AM
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Thanks, Shannon. It's like looking through a pair of sunglasses - everything is coloured by OCD. Everything you see or do is according to how you see it through OCD eyes. My grandmother was a horader too. Unbelievable. She wouldn't throw ANYTHING away.

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Yers, my stepmom has UPC codes- new
      #209784 - 08/30/05 11:33 AM
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BINDERS and BINDERS of them, just in case there's a contest a product puts out. She also enters every contest known to man 100 times. It's kind of almost funny how hers manifests. i had always thought she was just uber-prepared. I don't think she's as troubled by it as you are though....but Alicia, it makes sense how the handwashing could get out of control when you're a teacher, sweetie! Those little germ factories get me sick all the time!

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Re: LOL Shannon.... new
      #209836 - 08/30/05 03:03 PM
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You should have seen me when they built a new sink in my own classroom!!!! LOL! I'd wash my hands between classes, after handling another kid's instrument. I'd keep teaching and conducting the whole time I was washing (only a few seconds) - LOL. In my defense, though, some of the instruments include handling parts of instruments that have spit on them - definitely not hygienic - and I think anyone in that case would want to wash their hands. Sigh. I had my own several jars of hand sanitizer in my desk as well!!!!! Couldn't live without it!!!

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Re: Yers, my stepmom has UPC codes- new
      #209849 - 08/30/05 04:02 PM
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I have a friend like that. Her husband built shelves in the basement and she has organized boxes with the packaging from everything that she has bought in the past 25 years. She has a separate bank account for all of the rebates she gets.
I had another friend that was a shopaholic, but she didn't seem to realize it. She died before she used most of the stuff she bought.

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Re: The stats are staggering.... new
      #209859 - 08/30/05 04:52 PM
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The stats are staggering....
About one in 40 people have OCD.
About one in 10 have bipolar disorder.

In the 70's, they thought that about 1 in 100 had these disorders. It's becoming much more well known.

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