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Well...I know if I ate some of the things my mother eats (major IF), I'd be in pain/D city.
Also, I know in order for it to be successful it is necessary to weigh/measure and journal/log. That's my mother's greatest weakness or the root of her lack of progress for oh, a decade.
It's a "points" system versus calorie counting. Ultimately calories versus points are more accurate in "energy accountability." It has the bonus of group support via meetings.
From what I've witnessed, it has a higher "failure" or drop-out rate versus success rate.
Kate.
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Yo, Steph!
#226785 - 11/22/05 07:05 PM
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Thanks, Pretty Lady,
You hit the nail on the head when you said, "having the accountability of going to the meetings and weighing in and having that support." Ain't all that crazy about the weighing-in part, but I do remember the support was absolutely phenomenal. (I joined in 1980, lost all my weight, got my gold key, then moved on.)
Hubby says, "You don't need WW; you know what you gotta do." Well, that may be true, but there's nothing that can replace that support.....
Thanks!
Bevvy
P.S.: Nope, haven't heard a peep from LS, unfortunately. Last I heard, she was on a fibro support board. Lucky them.
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Just curious--is this stuff safe? Not the wholewheat, of course, but the white? I find that it's difficult to find a safe bread I might be able to chew with my obscenely crappy teeth AND I'm dying to put my organic crap-free jam on something! I miss pickle sandwiches, too.
Hmmm...I suppose I could make fatfree biscuits/drop scones.
I just miss toast & jam. And pickle sandwiches/cucumber sandwiches, too.
Kate.
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Wow! 30 pounds! Good for you! Flex plan, eh? They allow you to have things like Amy's frozen dinners? So you don't count points, then what DO you count?
Good suggestion to talk with the leader for tips about my IBS issue. Hopefully she'll know something about IBS.
While you say "they are just guidelines," I'm obsessive compulsive. I gotta follow it to the LETTER, or else I end up throwing in the towel and ultimately giving up. See how I am?
Thanks for the excellent tips. I just might give it a try! Meanwhile, you keep up the excellent work! How much more do you have to go? (ooops, am I not supposed to ask that question? I am SOOOO politically incorrect!) 
Bev
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You know, I have no idea how many calories I eat a day. Some time before I joined Weight Watchers, I recall trying to just count calories, and I had a heck of a time. However, I fully admit that may just be because I have a heck of a time losing weight all by my lonesome. I'm also a research junkie. I LOVE looking stuff up. Looking up points in the book and using the little slide calculator was loads of fun when it was all new (and I still like it).
I was the child who looked stuff up in the encyclopedia for fun. I am STILL that child in my 30s. 
Counting points was easier for me, at any rate.
By the way, 100 calories roughly equals 1 point.
Finally, just like with the IBS diet, you can't think of WW as a diet, as a temporary thing that you can drop as soon as you get to where you want to be...because if you go back to your old ways, you'll eventually go back to your "old weigh." As a point of comparison, with IBS, sure, some of us can have a piece of cheese now and then, but if we did it everyday, we'd be back to the big D and having Pepto for breakfast daily. It is learning what is the right diet for a healthy lifestyle, as in the right way to eat. Besides the fruits and veggies and water, it's learning portion control but also not to deprive yourself. Moderation in all things, in a phrase. 
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Thanks Snorkie
#226794 - 11/22/05 07:26 PM
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Bevvy
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I think my biggest concern is how to look up points in the book and use the little slide calculator on each and every item in a recipe. I love to cook, but I like trying different recipes -- a LOT. Last time I joined WW, I bought all their books, so it was a lot easier; I didn't have to calculate exchanges, they were already calculated for me. But with my own recipes, how the heck do I look up each ingredient's points? Oy..... I'm determined not to buy another moving box full of cookbooks!
Yes, you're absolutely right about not thinking of WW as a diet or temporary thing. Since I lost all my weight in 1980, I've gained it all back -- and MORE -- in the past 25 years. Had I stuck with WW, that wouldn't have happened, at least not all of it.
Thanks again Snorkie!
Bevvy
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And newsletters!
They have loads of recipes so even if you don't have the cookbook, you'll still be able to find recipes!
Cheers,
--Steph
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Re: stephie!
#226803 - 11/22/05 08:11 PM
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Hey Jaime!
Thanks for asking, I'm doing alright! I haven't been posting on here lately 'cause I just haven't been keeping proper track of my food. I know I am not eating enough calories, so I am struggling with my weight a lot. If I can manage to get back on track, I'll try to get back on reporting in too!
IBS wise, I am doing pretty poorly at the moment. I had to leave work today half way through 'cause I was so ill, so that sucked.
Otherwise, things are a little confusing (see my LR post for details) but I am doing pretty well. I am happy for the most part, my job is a good job with really good benefits, Adrian is switching shifts soon so we can spend more time together.. So yeah, grey skies are gonna clear up 
How are YOU doing?? 
Thanks again for asking!
**hugs**
Cheers,
--Steph
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aw, stephie. i'm sorry the ibs is flaring up. hope that calms down soon!
i've been doing well - after a rough patch a couple of weeks ago i stopped doing the hardcore calorie counting, and i'm feeling much better for it. less stress, but still being careful. much healthier for the psyche. i'm losing weight slowly, but losing, which feels great. and life is good, otherwise - the new job i started a few months ago is really great.
the grey-sky-clearing sounds good. hope it all keeps going well and getting better.
it's good seeing you around again. maybe i should frequent the LR - when people leave the eating & fitness boards they seem to still be there. more time to waste at work...
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Website?
#226843 - 11/23/05 08:47 AM
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Steph, I went online and checked it out. It's not free, and in fact it's kinda expensive. Also, is there a support board like this one? I think the support is crucial.
Did your mom do the online program?
Bev
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