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Toning with Weights and Diet Tips
      #199866 - 07/27/05 09:06 AM
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Toning with Weights

The combination of weight training, aerobic exercise and sound eating habits have shown to be the most effective for fat loss and toning. Toning is simply the simultaneous decrease of fat and restoration of muscle. Every year after the age of 25, the average American gains one pound of body weight yet loses one third to one half pound of muscle. Consequently, our resting metabolism decreases approximately one half of a percent every year. Proper exercise and sound eating habits can reverse this process.

While aerobic exercise burns fat during exercise, anaerobic exercises, like weight training or sprints (such as high intensity interval training), utilize fat hours after exercise. Weight training can also increase the metabolic rate a second way. It restores muscle tissue that had been lost over the years from a sedentary modern life-style, thus improving the aesthetics of the body by accentuating its curves and shape. Furthermore, one pound of muscle burns approximately 30-50 Calories per day. In contrast, a pound of fat only burns about three Calories per day. This may not seem significant considering one pound of fat contains 3500 Calories. Although, over the course of years, it adds up.

Weight training exercises that use large muscle groups (e.g. Gluteus Maximus, Quadriceps, Hamstrings, Chest, and Back exercises) with a progressively greater resistance have the most potential for restoring lean body weight and raising the metabolism hours after exercise.

Most people do not have to be worried about getting too big when training with weights. Evidence suggests that less than 20 percent of men and very few women can develop large muscles even if they wanted to, regardless what program they follow. Bodybuilders seen on TV typically, have trained for years, poses a certain degree of genetics, and most likely, have used anabolic steroids sometime in their careers.

When beginning an exercise program, muscle mass increases may initially out pace fat loss, resulting in a very small temporary weight gain. When exercise can be increased over time, more significant fat loss can occur. Unless an exerciser is highly motivated, actual weight loss (i.e. as numbers on the scale, as opposed to simply fat loss, which is visible or can be mesaured through a body composition test) is usually only seen with particular dietary improvements.




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Dietary Guidelines

Eat small meals every 2.5 to 4 hours or eat 3 meals and 2 or 3 snacks distributed throughout the day
- Eat 3 food groups every meal
- Eat 2 food groups every snack

Plan meals around moderate or intense exercise
- Plan snack or meal 1 to 2 hours before
- Eat high carbohydrates meal very soon after exercise: carbohydrates and quality proteins in approximately a 4:1 ratio, 10 – 20% of total daily caloric intake

Eat protein and carbohydrates every meal or snack

Eat lower fat Meat or Meat Substitute or Milk every meal or snack

Eat Starch or Fruit every meal or snack

Combine foods to compliment proteins (optimizes amino acid ratio)
- Eat legumes (beans, peas, lentils, peanuts) with grains, seeds, or nuts
- Eat grains with milk or cheese.

Eat a variety of fruits and vegetables daily

Eat vitamin C rich foods
- At least 1 serving a day
- Citrus fruit, tomatoes, fresh melons, strawberries

Eat cruciferous vegetables (cabbage family)
- At least 3 servings per week
- Cabbage, broccoli, brussel sprouts, kohlrabi, cauliflower

Eat vitamin A rich foods
- At least 1 serving every other day
- Dark leafy greens, and dark yellow foods

Eat foods with fiber
- whole grains, vegetables, fruit, and legumes (beans, peas, lentils)

Eat calcium rich foods
- Milk, yogurt, cheese
- Green leafy vegetables, tofu, canned salmon, sardines, or jack mackerel (with tiny bone particles), figs, almonds.

Make lower fat and healthier fat choices
- Cook with little or no oil
- Roast, bake, broil, grill, poach, steam, or boil instead of frying

Keep saturated fat intake low
- Eat leaner meats or meat substitutes
- Remove skin from poultry
- Lower fat milk and yogurt
- Choose lower fat snacks
- Limit hydrogenated fat (used in products to increase shelf life)

Consume moderate poly-unsaturated and mono-unsaturated fats
- nuts, olive oil, salad dressing, mayonnaise

Limit refined foods
- White bread and cereals, soda pop, sweets, alcohol
- Eat whole foods whenever possible

Limit cured and smoked products
- salt-cured, smoked, nitrite cured foods

Eat a variety of foods from each food group every day
- Try new foods





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Re: Toning with Weights and Diet Tips new
      #200097 - 07/27/05 02:17 PM
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Back to the weights not giving you big arms issue: I was at a hotel this weekend and each day I exercised with a mom and 2 teenage daughters. They did treadmill or eliptical and I did bike and then they lifted weights after (I did mine first- correctly). I could hardly stand watching them lift as they did tiny weights super fast reps! It does no good at all. I wanted to say something but thought it was not the thing to do. Nevertheless it bugged the crap out of me!

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      #200103 - 07/27/05 02:49 PM
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Thank you so much for all that information. It was very helpful.

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      #200109 - 07/27/05 03:10 PM
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Tamara-
what's the best thing to do to tone upper arms? What size weights and how many reps. I need to look good in my wedding dress!

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      #200153 - 07/27/05 05:28 PM
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Well I can't tell you the absolute best but I can tell you some simple things I do. I have 3#, 5#, ?# for curls and a bench press at ?#. I use the 3# for shoulders (standing with feet shoulderwidth apart, raise the weights from your side to straight out and do it really slow). The 5# I use for triceps and chest. Lay on a bench hold weights above your chest and drop arms like a giant hug. It might be too hard to go until arms are straight. Next put the weights by your ears sort of and go up and down behind your head. Just do it slowly and where you feel the stress on your triceps. I like to hold my arms straight almost even with the floor and hold it. Next take one weight in right hand and put left knee on the bench, your right leg is on the floor and you are bent over. Raise the weight behind you slowly until it is parallel with the floor and hold it if possible. So the weight starts hanging just under the side of the bench and ends in the air with arm parallel to the floor. Repeat with left arm and right knee on bench. Then do curls to tone bicep if desired, sit down and take a weight (not sure the weight it needs to be but maybe 10-12#?). Spread out legs. Drop hand close to foot and curl hand up to shoulder. You should be able to do 8-10 in a set of this if the weight is heavy enough- 8-10 should make you exhausted so to speak. The other lower weights should be 15 reps and all should be 3 sets. That is what to do to make it work. If you want to bench press use a weight that you can lift about 5-10 times in a row and lift up with arms almost straight and then bring it down to nipple level and back up. This can be done with 2 heavy hand weights- lay on back and put weights straight up with thumbs together and then bring down to your chest at nippple level. Repeat around 8 times and that should be to exhaustion it you want results. I hope this makes sense!

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Little pink weights! new
      #200162 - 07/27/05 05:49 PM
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Tamara that is probably one of my biggest pet peeves too! I go to an all-women's gym right now and unfortunately that's pretty much all it is there - it seems that anyone who's lifting weights is lifting really really light, really really fast for really really high reps. I just want to scream at them - do you realize that you're totally wasting your time with that!!!??! lol

Meanwhile I'm off in the corner doing heavy compound lifts with the barbells and dumbbells, breaking a sweat, probably grunting now and then Haha...

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Glad you found it useful! -nt- new
      #200163 - 07/27/05 05:49 PM
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Sinead - arms exercises... new
      #200167 - 07/27/05 06:06 PM
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Butting in, hope you don't mind

If you can get your hands on some dumbbells - heavy enough so that you can push out just about 10-12 reps before failure (i.e. you can't possibly do any more) then these are some great arms exercises:

(try not to be turned off by the hairy guy in the pics doing the exercises..lol... these exercises will not make you look like him, hah! )

Biceps
dumbbell curl
preacher curl
hammer curl

Triceps
tricep extension (you can also do it lying down)

Shoulders - the top of the side of your arm is your lateral deltoid (part of the shoulder muscle). This part looks really great when it's developed on women - it's the muscle (in addition to the front delts) that really makes Madonna's arms 'pop'.
seated shouder press
front raise
lateral raise
(if you want a killer shoulder workout, try supersetting those three exercises together - do 10 reps of the press, followed immediately by 10 reps of each of the two raises. Rest for about 30 seconds, then repeat.)

HTH!

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Re: Sinead - arms exercises... new
      #200191 - 07/27/05 07:06 PM
Little Minnie

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Yep excellent little videos to show how it is done! I recommend seated bicep curls though -standing can hurt your lower back (take it from DH who curls 90#).
The lying down tricep exercise is the one I was attempting to describe. Also the lateral raise is another one I attempted to describe. They actually look different when a big man does them. It is more smooth and refined when a lady does them!

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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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another thing new
      #200192 - 07/27/05 07:10 PM
Little Minnie

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See the way she is doing bicep curls- it is better to spread legs further and stick your elbow midthigh, drop weight gently down toward foot and then bring up. You end up being hunched over but this actually is better for your back from what I hear anyway and it really isolates the muscle.

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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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Actually... new
      #200220 - 07/27/05 09:10 PM
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Doing it like that (called 'concentration curls') works a different part of the bicep, called the brachialis (it's the same muscle that gets worked in preacher curls), where regular standing or seated curls work the biceps brachii (the main, larger muscle on top). A good arms workout usually includes work for all 3 muscles of the bicep (the other is the brachioradialis, which stretches across the bicep and forearm, and which gets worked in any reverse type curl, such as hammer curls).

You're definitely right though that it isolates it more (hence, the name 'concentration curls') and recruits the back muscles far less (of course if you're also working yoru back on your biceps day, then that wouldn't be a bad thing). It would probably be pretty difficult to injure your back doing curls unless you were going way too heavy for your own strength, but for anyone who has prior back issues that may be a better option.

However I believe that lifting heavier will always yeild faster results, and since regular curls do recruit your back more, you can simply lift heavier - even though the back is helping, you're still getting more resistance on your biceps, which will make them grow more. If your gym has an EZ curl bar (looks like a shorter regular barbell but it's kind of squigly in the middle to make it easier to hold on to) you can curl with that for an even tougher curl (here's a pic of that).

Thanks for pointing that out Tamara!

Edited by retrograde (07/27/05 09:15 PM)

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Ok Laurel, guru of the weights... new
      #200263 - 07/28/05 05:41 AM
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Now I have a question.

So, the body part of mine that I hate THE MOST, is my flabby upper arms. I have that grandma fat/skin that hangs down in the tricep area. I do do arm exercises, but they don't seem to be making that much of a difference in that area, the stuff I do with my trainer has definitely given me more defined biceps. What do you suggest I do to get rid of that horrible hanging flab?

Thanks.

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Re: Ok Laurel, guru of the weights... new
      #200445 - 07/28/05 11:41 AM
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Hehe, I kind of like that lol

Yeah this can be a difficult area for women. Interestingly, it's mostly hormonal - the more estrogen a person has the more likely that fat will be stored there (which is why you don't really see it on men too much).

Basically our bodies are pre-programmed from birth with hormones and genes as to where our fat will be stored. You can't really target fat loss (what they call 'spot reduction') - that code tells your body where it will put on fat first when it starts storing fat, and consequently where the last place it will lose that fat. (For most women, those stubborn places are the abs, the butt/thighs/hips and the triceps.)

But it's only through bringing your body fat levels down *in general* that that stubborn fat will finally go away. Basically, that just means watching your diet, and doing some cardio (which I know you do lots of already ). Obviously weight training plays a big role in this too because more muscle = faster metabolism = faster fat loss.

So, it's kind of a two-sided coin: because of hormones/genes and fat loss, working your triceps won't necessarily cause you to lose the fat there. Rather, any kind of weight training will help to speed up your metabolism and, combined with diet and cardio, help you lose fat all over. However, working your triceps muscles WILL make your triceps bigger, which means you have to lose less fat to make them show up. So definitely keep working your triceps - the best exercises for this are dips (where you kind of stretch yourself across 2 benches with your feet on one and your arms on the other and your butt hanging mid-air, and then you dip yourself down using your arms and then lift yourself back up - if this is too easy you can put a plate on your lap, or if it's too hard most gyms have assisted dip machines too), and dumbbell or barbell tricep extensions (linked above).

The 'spot reduction myth' is the reason that people can do 100 crunches everyday but do no other exercise and not eat well and never, ever see those abs. They might have a very nicely defined midsection, it's just covered by a layer of fat. Or, you probably have really nice triceps at this point, it's just that stubborn last bit of fat to lose that's covering them up.

Unfortunately, the other factor in this part of the body is SKIN, right? The skin gets really stretched out and even after you lose some fat it takes it a while to shrink down. But it will shrink down to fit the muscle/fat that's left. It will just take some time. You can buy some creams and such that purport to help speed up the process but I'm not sure how effective those are.

Shell had/has this same problem and I think there's a thread either on this or the living room board that goes into it (basically she was trying to avoid surgery because hers were so bad).

Whew! I didn't expect that reply to be so long...! lol HTH!


Edit: here's a pic of the bench dip exercise I was trying to explain (not very well!): web page

Edited by retrograde (07/28/05 11:42 AM)

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Oh right... new
      #200449 - 07/28/05 11:44 AM
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Heh. Yeah, see I knew all about the spot reduction myth as far as abs were concerned. It just didn't occur to me to apply it to my triceps. I guess we all want miracle cures. Ok then... I'll just keep on keepin' on with my cardio/weight training and after all the company leaves I'll target my diet next.

Thanks for the advice!!

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Re: Ok Laurel, guru of the weights... new
      #200484 - 07/28/05 12:24 PM
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Quote:

Hehe, I kind of like that lol

Yeah this can be a difficult area for women. Interestingly, it's mostly hormonal - the more estrogen a person has the more likely that fat will be stored there (which is why you don't really see it on men too much).

Basically our bodies are pre-programmed from birth with hormones and genes as to where our fat will be stored. You can't really target fat loss (what they call 'spot reduction') - that code tells your body where it will put on fat first when it starts storing fat, and consequently where the last place it will lose that fat. (For most women, those stubborn places are the abs, the butt/thighs/hips and the triceps.)

But it's only through bringing your body fat levels down *in general* that that stubborn fat will finally go away. Basically, that just means watching your diet, and doing some cardio (which I know you do lots of already ). Obviously weight training plays a big role in this too because more muscle = faster metabolism = faster fat loss.

So, it's kind of a two-sided coin: because of hormones/genes and fat loss, working your triceps won't necessarily cause you to lose the fat there. Rather, any kind of weight training will help to speed up your metabolism and, combined with diet and cardio, help you lose fat all over. However, working your triceps muscles WILL make your triceps bigger, which means you have to lose less fat to make them show up. So definitely keep working your triceps - the best exercises for this are dips (where you kind of stretch yourself across 2 benches with your feet on one and your arms on the other and your butt hanging mid-air, and then you dip yourself down using your arms and then lift yourself back up - if this is too easy you can put a plate on your lap, or if it's too hard most gyms have assisted dip machines too), and dumbbell or barbell tricep extensions (linked above).

The 'spot reduction myth' is the reason that people can do 100 crunches everyday but do no other exercise and not eat well and never, ever see those abs. They might have a very nicely defined midsection, it's just covered by a layer of fat. Or, you probably have really nice triceps at this point, it's just that stubborn last bit of fat to lose that's covering them up.

Unfortunately, the other factor in this part of the body is SKIN, right? The skin gets really stretched out and even after you lose some fat it takes it a while to shrink down. But it will shrink down to fit the muscle/fat that's left. It will just take some time. You can buy some creams and such that purport to help speed up the process but I'm not sure how effective those are.

Shell had/has this same problem and I think there's a thread either on this or the living room board that goes into it (basically she was trying to avoid surgery because hers were so bad). Laurel YOU ROCK... you cover so much, it is great!! Here is the thread on MY flab!! hehehe web page

Whew! I didn't expect that reply to be so long...! lol HTH!


Edit: here's a pic of the bench dip exercise I was trying to explain (not very well!): web page




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ooo I am going to add that one new
      #200640 - 07/28/05 05:44 PM
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My triceps are a big vanity issue with me. I have looked into what to do and asked people and it is as Laurel said, you gotta get rid of excess weight and just build that muscle up for looks really. Mine have improved. I find the real "hangy" part is under the arm, not really the true tricep. That is why I do the "giant hug" weight lift to work that inner arm part a little. And when I do it after a few days off it gets very sore in that area (and the chest and connecting muscles). Also I try not to shake my arms or clap in a tank top or let people shake my hand real hard- yes I am that self-conscious about it. I am making DH take pictures of my arms to compare to later on. I will post them. I used to have really awesome arms when I worked with horses. It didn't take any additional exercise.

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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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Thanks so much girls!:) new
      #200727 - 07/29/05 01:31 AM
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