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#87956 - 07/08/04 04:00 PM
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Oh, Shelby, you poor sweetie. First here's a
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Second, my heartfelt congratulations on being a breast cancer survivor for 12 years! That's GREAT!!
As far as soy, yes, I've read that it has estrogenic effects but who knows if it's really a risk factor. But there's always rice milk and rice dream ice cream that you could have instead of soy.
Good luck and please don't stress out too much. You don't want to trigger your IBS now, do ya?
SMOOCHES!
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Laura
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Bless You, Shelby
#87980 - 07/08/04 04:48 PM
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Bevvy
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Wow, what you've gone through!
I don't handle stress well, so I'm certainly no one to give advice. I think it's good that you research this as much as you can, and I imagine the Mayo Clinic is a good place to start. What about the internet? Can you do a google search for the American Cancer Society, perhaps?
I would be lost without soy, but then I can remember saying the same thing about dairy. I love Soy Dream Mocha Fudge, but hubby accidentally brought home something else -- Rice Dream Chocolate "ice cream" -- and it was surprisingly delicious. Okay, so it wasn't Hot Fudge Cake from Hot Shoppes, but it was still good...
Shelby, if it turns out that you can't have soy, you'll discover something else -- like rice -- instead. We're gonna help you discover it. Remember, you said, "There were times that I didn't think I would make it." You did make it, didn't you? Look at how well you're doing now.
We're also going to help you with the stress. I subscribe to an online self-help group, and one of their newsletters ("How Stress Limits You") was very helpful to me:
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"Stress is the by-product of thoughts. These thoughts that cause stress fit into 2 categories: (1) they are thoughts related to an event that has already taken place (the past), and (2) they are thoughts that relate to a situation or event that may or may not take place (the future).
"If your mind is not in the present moment, if your thoughts are not in the prevent moment, then you are sure to experience stress and anxiety.
"Your mind is not where it should be -- in the present moment -- and your subconscious is only getting more confused because it is trying to create opportunities for you in the present moment -- but you're not there -- so you can't see them. Then you get angry or frustrated because things don't improve. But you're not there anyway, so even if they did improve, you wouldn't know.
"Shift your thoughts to focus on what you want, what is happening now and focus on all the positive aspects that are taking place in your life right now. If you're not doing this, then you're not living; you're simply wasting time stressing out and filling your life with anxiety.
"Lets face it -- if you live in the past or the future, if you constantly think about the past or the future, then you are going to be continuously stressed out. The key is to start focusing on the present moment -- which we are constantly experiencing and which is always changing.
"The events that cause stress all have one thing in common: you have to think about those events. If you don't think about them, you eliminate stress. It is the single act of thinking about them and not the present that causes stress. At this point, right now, only the present moment exists. The past, which consists of events that have already occurred, no longer exists; it's over. The future, which consists of events that have yet to take place and is undetermined, does not exist; it hasn't happened and may not happen -- so why worry about it?
"The key to eliminating your stress and anxiety is to re-direct your thoughts. Once you focus on the present moment, your mind can no longer think about the past or worry about the future. When this happens, you are no longer a slave to the mind, you are no longer a slave to the past, and you are no longer a slave to the uncertainty of the future. Instead, you become the master of the present moment, and if you can master each day, you'll never have stress, fear or anxiety."
Keep us posted.
Bev
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Hi Shelby:
I just want to say that my heart goes out to you. I don't have an answer for you, but here's wishing you the best luck you can possibly have. Give yourself a hug for me.
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~ Rachel (IBS-C)
If life hands you lemons, make lemonade!!
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Oh, Shelby
#88005 - 07/08/04 05:31 PM
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barbie
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I am so sorry that you had to go through that. I'm sure it was a very difficult time for you. Thank goodness you came out of it OK.
About the soy. I have heard that it does have some estrogen like effects but I don't know for sure. I would suggest asking your doc or you could do a search on the internet and see if you can get any info. If you can't have soy there are other things that you could substitute that I bet would be just as yummy.
Hang in there, you are doing a great job of taking care of yourself and we are always here if we can help.
Barbie
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I'm so sorry you went through that, Shelby. It sounds like a frightening, painful experience--but one that you came out of with strength. Hurray for you! And it sounds like you're doing good things to keep healthy--like being on this diet.
I don't know anything about the soy connection, but other people's suggestions sounded good, checking things out online, with your doctor.
And stress relief--always important. Do you have any lavender plants near your home, or lavender oil? It might sound silly, but just breathing in the scent can bring great calm. Cammomile tea is great, too--and so are live hugs!  I hope you find calm, and find out good things.
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You sweet sweet lady, from the bottom of my heart I want you to know how proud I am of you for sticking it out. We never know how much the person sitting beside us has suffered and persevered. And, or, may be trying to deal with a catastrophic heartache. You have been so sweet and supportive of me, your kind and loving words have helped me through some difficult moments. I want you to know, I just wrote your name in my BOOK OF NAMES,a place I keep everyone listed who needs prayer,and you will be prayed for everytime I pray over this book !!!! You are right, God has kept you for something big, I think you are doing some of it right now. Everytime I see your posts, I read every one of them, they may not be directed to me, but the prescence of your heart embedded in the helpful and loving words you write to all of us, reach me. I thank you for that. You sweetie you !!
I think Rice Milk is a dirivitive of Rice, just like Soy Milk is a dirivitive of Soy. I wouldn't think they are connected.
I am so afraid of Breast Cancer, every Mammo I have had, always show something....I have such anxiety every time I go. I am calling today to make an appt, it has been 2 years since my last. I have had one biopsy,Thank God it came back negative. I have so much respect and praise for everywoman who has battled this disease!
I am here for you Shelby, we all are. We will do everything in our power to help you and support you.
love to you!!! gayla
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Shelby
#88139 - 07/09/04 05:48 AM
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BL
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I'm so sorry you've had to go through breast cancer, and that now this woman's news has upset you. After all you've been through in the past, you do not need this to worry about! Hopefully, you can talk to your doctor soon and he can clarify this for and put your fears at ease. Can you call him---or his nurse and see what they say? If you're like me, having some straight answers will be better than worrying about the "what if's."
You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
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Shelby--
Yeah, there are a whole lot of alternatives to using soy, although it hardly sounds like you're eating a huge amount. There's rice milk and oat milk and a whole lot of other things that can be ground up and turned into a "milk" (almond milk, anyone?).
From what I can recall, not all breast cancers are estrogen sensitive, so avoiding soy might not even be an issue for you. I'm sure your oncologist can help you figure this out. Heck, I just read the other day that soy products aren't estrogenic enough to prevent menopausal symptoms!
Take care of yourself, and don't let your mind make your body feel bad!
--AC
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Dear Shelby,
My mother is a breast cancer survivor and I respect her greatly for it. While she was going through radiation for breast cancer, she was also taking care of my father, who at the same time was undergoing intensive and highly toxic chemotheropy treatments for melanoma skin cancer. Both are now well. It so wonderful that so many more people - yourself included - are surviving cancer these days. I hope you can find someone to talk to about your anxieties - talking always helps you feel like you're not alone. And please know - you are NOT alone. We will be thinking of you and praying for you and you are one of thousands of breast cancer survivors who have become inspirational to younger girls like myself.
On the soy - I have also read things about links to breast cancer - especially those in high risk categories. Learn more so you know all the facts and not just the little bits that will make you worry. Soy somehow actually agrevates my IBS so I have never been able to use it. I use rice milk and almond milk. The almond milk is VERY sweet and works for cooking deserts that call for milk. I can also handle skim cows milk in small doses, but I know that's a no-no for lots of people.
Be encouraged and be blessed - you are a survivor - God has blessed you richly.
Hope your day gets better.
Min
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Hopefully this doesn't sound too wierd, but I have noticed if I have too much soy product(s) in a day, my breasts get real tender. Also my breasts get real tender a whole 10 days before my menstrual cycle and I was never like that before.
My nutrionist told me that you can get too much soy. She said having three servings a day repeatedly CAN be harmful! I am going to cut way back on soy, as I have previously already had dysplasia (PRE-cancer) cells on my cervics. Soy does effect your hormones. I think there needs to waaaaay more info given to the general public about how much is safe and healthy. And how much is too much. The Mayo Clinic has a great website, by the way.
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I happen to be one of the very few here that do not use soy, at all, in anything.........if I can help it. I'm not sure to what extent the estrogenic affects are but I know they are there. I happen to have to avoid soy all together because of the affect on hypothyroidism as it is a goitrogenic. To bad, because there are some great tasting products out there. I use rice or oat or almond beverages and Rice dream ice cream. There is also rice cheese subs. There is no sub for tofu so I avoid it.
Here is a tread that was started many months ago. Some of the links may have more about the estrogenic affects.
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Annie, as you cut back on soy, if you still notice the tenderness try some OTC progesterone cream. I've used Pro-gest in the past with great success for the same complaint as you have. BTW, I happen to agree with your nutritionist, but then I'm likely one of the only ones on the board that would.
(Thank goodness for free speech)
Kandee
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Shelby,
I know that it must be upsetting to talk about your breast cancer but please know that your story is very inspirational. Reading about how you fought it and survived makes me realize that life isn't always fair but when we dig down deep, we are all a lot stronger than we know. It continually amazes me how strong the people on this sight really are, especially when I read stories like yours. It's also nice to know that should we have weak moments, everyone else is here for immediate, unconditional moral support!
My MIL is a breast cancer survivor and I am so grateful that she's still with us.
Like you, I use soy milk, mainly for oatmeal in the morning and for baking. I haven't noticed any changes (like breast tenderness before a period) but have thought about trying rice milk anyway just for variety.
Hope you like the rice milk and thanks for sharing your story.
Kim
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Thank you for your response. I hope for the absolute best for your health! I am also glad to hear you are a survivor. It is upsetting to be so confused about what we should eat or should not eat, regarding anything, and not just food for IBSers. Sending you hugs and prayers.
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Hi back Shelby,
I noticed you didn't join the boards until March so I doubt you did much harm in the amount of soy you did consume. But I'm glad to hear that you will from now on, avoid it, just to be on the precautionary side.
It's a little hard at first to avoid it. One must read any and all labels you can get your hands on and go from there. I even have hubby on the lookout for the word soy on any label and if it's there, he puts it back, knowing how I feel. There is in fact many people who are allergic to soy, as it too is a common allergen, so do a google search for boards that are for people allergic to soy. They'll list foods to avoid. Wish I had the site for you but I think I lost it in the last wipeout of my computer.
I have to tell you, those rice cheese subs "ain't" that good. I just sorta avoid all cheese if I can, except for a little real grated Parmesan now and then because it is the lowest in fat, or a tad of FF real cheese. I know that is a big no-no and a trigger for most people but the fat seems to be a much bigger trigger for me, plus, even though I'm not lactose intolerant I take a lactaid beforehand. Digestive enzymes for me seems to be a must otherwise almost anything becomes a trigger.
I have to THANK you as well. First off, a huge congrats on being a survivor. My best friend who lives a state away went thru that 2 years ago. It was a living nightmare. Her breast cancer was CAUSED from estrogen supplements!!! I only see her once a year, and this year on Labor Day will be our yearly reunion. I totally forgot to warn her about soy last year. If it hadn't been for your post I wouldn't have given it at thought.........but boy, this year she will get an ear full. So thanks Shelby, for bringing this up. You may just have saved another "sister", in a round about way, from the tortures of having a relapse.
BTW, if you take a good look at the Rice Dream ice creams you'll notice that there is a big difference in fat g. in the different flavors. Although boring, vanilla has the least. Being the chocolate freak I am, I buy the vanilla and sprinkle on Giradelli's double chocolate hot cocoa mix to satisfy my chocolate fix.
Hope this helps, but don't hesitate to ask if you need any thing else..........
Kandee (so, when do I come get my new Lincoln...LOL?)
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You are one of the reasons I cant wait to get in and check the posts. You are so special to me, love you Shelbyjo
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Shelby,
I echo the other ladies sentiments & will keep you in my thoughts & prayers. I stopped using soy products after reading an article about the affects of soy & your thyroid. I take thyroid medicine & my doctor is trying to get me at a safe level for me. At the time I was drinking Choc Soy every day at breakfast to get my protein. I immediately brought my concerns to this board & Kandee & Heather gave me advice to try rice or almond milk. I decided to switch to Lactaid free milk & I eat regular yogurt (after eating some soluble fiber first), but I take Lactaid pills first. I use the milk to cook with or for cereal, I don't outright have a glass of milk  . Right now this seems to be working ok. Take care & have a great stress free day .
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Yeah, Daisy...
#88465 - 07/10/04 07:55 AM
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Kandee
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I'm so glad you have given up soy since you have thyroid disease too. It is nothing to mess around with. I'm coming off of an attack of accute thyroiditis and it is not nice stuff, takes almost 6 months to get better and in the mean time you flip-flop from hypo to hyper and back and forth.
ANYTHING we can do to keep our thyroid levels stable is worth it...........same as keeping IBS stable.
I'm like you in that if I have soluble fiber and a lactaid a LITTLE dairy doesn't trigger me. But an entire glass of milk would. I tested this one time. Drank 2 glasses of milk with out S. fiber or lactaid and boy did it nail me...........pains galore!!!
Keep up the good work Daisy......Have you ever tried oat milk..it's good too, (and great for cooking since it will thicken) but I've come to like the almond even better since a glass has soooo many less calories than the rice. The chocolate flavored is GOOD too.
Kandee
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Sjo,
Wow. You have been through so much! It sounds almost like a war on your body. I'm sorry for the pain you've been through...and glad you keep finding ways to do things that are healthy and healing for you.
How did the lavender work? Did it help at all? Putting some lavender on your pillow at night can also help.
I hope things keep getting better for you.
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