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Uh oh! What happened?
      #60224 - 04/12/04 08:09 AM
JosephC

Reged: 01/25/04
Posts: 125
Loc: Kansas City

Well, I wasnt feeling great yesterday morning, but I was feeling much better by the time dinner rolled around at 5pm. I tried to stick with safer foods, but I must have ate something bad because I spent nearly all last night with horrible cramps and lots of bathroom time with D. My stomach has been churning all night, and the Immodium hasnt seemed to help very much.(Ive taken one and a half, but I worry too many might just make it worse) Is there ANYTHING else I can do beyond my staples (Tea, my Benefiber, GasX, Immodium, heating pad) that will help quiet this or do I just have to see it through?
Also, here's a list of what I had yesterday. Can any of these provoke a strong reaction like this (has anyone had past bad experiences with any of it)?
-A few slices of smoked Turkey
-Sweet Potatoes
-Broccoli
-A sugarfree cookie
-Two Fig Newtons
-at about 9pm, I had another small Turkey sandwhich.

The turkey was fairly low in fat (and since I had no "floating" in my D, I'm guessing my fat content was kinda low) and I only had a little. I took two beano beforehand, but none of the other stuff has ever bothered me. The only two new things were the Turkey, the cookie, and the fig newtons, but would they provoke such a strong reaction?

Anyway, it looks like I miss some work today and sit with my heating pad and my tea. I was working on three weeks without a really big attack(some small more managable ones, but nothing like this). I wonder if maybe something I ate was just bad and not a trigger.

Thanks for letting me vent. It just really stinks because I had been doing really well (and that turkey was really good-I was hoping it would be gentle). Now back to resting, tea drinking, and listening to my gut's new sound system.

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Re: Uh oh! What happened? new
      #60229 - 04/12/04 08:20 AM
bz

Reged: 06/18/03
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Loc: Brooklyn, NY

Hi JosephC

Sorry you are not feeling too well. It's really upsetting to get so sick when you were doing so well.

The only point I have input on is the smoked turkey. I find I can eat turkey, but if it's smoked it seems to bother me personally. The only way to really tell is to eat one new thing at a time to narrow it down.

Good Luck.

Barbara

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Re: Uh oh! What happened? new
      #60242 - 04/12/04 08:34 AM
JosephC

Reged: 01/25/04
Posts: 125
Loc: Kansas City

Hmmm, thats actually a good thing to know. I hadnt tried it before so I didnt know what might happen.

Thank you for that and your well wishes. Hopefully it'll be gone today. A day out I can take, its when it sticks around for longer that it wears you out.

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Re: Uh oh! What happened? new
      #60247 - 04/12/04 08:37 AM
Lyndeigh

Reged: 02/07/04
Posts: 302


few slices of smoked Turkey- Did the turkey have any secret ingredients, such as MSG? MSG kills me and is in a lot of deli meats
-Sweet Potatoes
-Broccoli- did you have alot? broccoli has alot of insoluble fiber and causes alot of gas
-A sugarfree cookie- if the cookie was sugar free, then what sweetened it? Alot of times, sugarfree stuff uses fake sugar, such as aspartame or soribital to sweeten it, which, is a huge IBS trigger
-Two Fig Newtons- fig newtons have insoluble fiber in them, but should be okay, as long you dont have them on an empty stomach
Hope youre feeling better. When my stomachs madly upset, I take a hot bath, and drink lots of peppermint tea

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Re: Uh oh! What happened? new
      #60268 - 04/12/04 09:03 AM
JosephC

Reged: 01/25/04
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Loc: Kansas City

I'll have to try the hot bath. I havent done that. I took a hot shower, but that wasnt too much help.
Broccoli is one of the few veggies that's pretty mild for me. And I dont eat too much. I just steam a little and have that. The bakery cookies do have sorbitol, though. Boy if only one cookie did that...WOW! I know some sugar subs are bad (Sweet and Low is awful for me, but sucralose is just fine).
As for the turkey, I didnt see MSG, but its possible I missed it. I eat the Bryan smoked turkey lunchmeat all the time and thats fine (and it only has 1% DV of fat). This was Bryan also, so I had hoped it would be similar, but I could be wrong. I thkn it was just wood smoked, but I'll try and look it up (the wrapping is in the trash already)

The really maddening thing is how long it took for anything to kick in. Usually if I get bothered by anything, I dont get anything until the morning, but this was so bad I was doubled over and I havent been that way in a long time-even my last awful attack didnt hit me like that. So Im really looking into my food so I can avoid whatever it was for next time.

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BROCCOLI! new
      #60270 - 04/12/04 09:05 AM
Bevvy

Reged: 11/04/03
Posts: 5918
Loc: Northwest Washington State

Broccoli! X-RATED! I can't touch the stuff -- that and cabbage have to be the hardest things for us to try to digest! If I had broccoli, I'd have the exact same symptoms as you! Oh yeah, cramps and D -- BIG time!

There are several foods I just had to give up permanently, never to eat again, and broccoli is at the top of the list. For most people it's a healthy food. For me, it is NOT.

Do you have any of Heather's peppermint caps? They're supposed to be a great anti-spasmodic. I also have Donnatal and Hyoscyamine; however, the Donnatal is very dangerous stuff, so I seldom take it anymore. In fact, I had a bad spell this weekend -- it started on Friday and didn't end until last night -- and I was close to reaching for that Donnatal, but I didn't. Had I, my cramps and D would have stopped overnight. Since I only took the Hyoscyamine, the attack lasted over 2 days.

Lomotil is good for the D, but not the cramps (like Immodium).

If you don't have a problem with peppermint tea, you might check out Heather's caps. They cause some people terrible indigestion -- like me -- unfortunately. Otherwise, I'd be taking them for the cramps.

Also, Equalactin is very helpful; do you have any? If not, you can order it from your neighborhood pharmacist; most drug stores don't keep a supply of it, but they can get it for you.

Your doctor will have to prescribe the Lomotil, Hyoscyamine, or Donnatal. You have to ask him for it, though; he won't offer, especially as regards the Donnatal. My GI even refused to give me the Donnatal; I had to get it from my regular doc.

I know none of this is helping you right now, but you should be prepared for next time. Even though you do everything right, sometimes something sneaks into you when you least expect it, and .... BAM! You need to be ready!

For now, you're doing everything you can. If you can stay home and "sleep it off," that's sometimes the best medicine.

Hope you're better soon.

Bev

P.S.: Why not call your doctor and ask for an anti-spasmodic? You could have it filled in a matter of hours. Do you have someone who can go pick it up for you?

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Edited by Bevrs (04/12/04 09:06 AM)

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Re: Uh oh! SORIBITOL! new
      #60272 - 04/12/04 09:09 AM
Lyndeigh

Reged: 02/07/04
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it may have been the sorbitol- that does me in all the time Im so sorry that youre feeling so sick
Quote:

The Trouble With Sugar Free . . . . 25 Aug 2003

How Sorbitol Causes Irritable Bowel Syndrome

If you suffer from Irritable Bowel Syndrome and enjoy sugar-free products, it may be worthwhile to review your eating habits.

Did you know the common additive sorbitol causes bloating, flatulence and diarrhea? It only takes 10g per day. Ironically sugar-free products are marketed as being part of a healthy lifestyle.

Despite more than two decades of clinical research on the detrimental effects of sugar substitutes on the human body, sugar-free products are sold as solutions for everything from weight loss to tooth whitening.

We classify Irritable Bowel Syndrome as a collection of symptoms rather than a disease. If you have long-term symptoms like stomach bloating, flatulence, itching skin, headache, yeast infections or dozens of others check the Symptoms Matrix to see whether you could have a food intolerance: Symptoms Matrix

This article looks at sorbitol, one of the so-called polyols listed on sugar-free packs and used frequently as a softener and sweetener in confectionery.


Why do manufacturers in 2003 continue to market products that contain sorbitol at levels known to cause Irritable Bowel Syndrome?

Sugar-free products are the darlings of retailers. The tiny packs take up little space at the point of sale. Now enjoying double-digit sales growth, they deliver profit margins which far outstrip chocolate bars or sugar candy (1).
Sorbitol is a natural laxative and occurs in pears, prunes and other fruits. In fact sorbitol solution is sold as a laxative through pharmacies (Sorbilax - Pharmacia & Upjohn).

Link to Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Sorbitol is also thought to be a cause of Irritable Bowel Syndrome (2). Most sugar-free products carry warnings like: Excess consumption can have a laxative effect.However, the packs are so small that reading them is difficult, and more importantly the term excess usage is not explained or quantified. Is one pack an excess?

Dateline June 1995: The Lancet publishes the case of a 35 year-old Flight Attendant diagnosed with Irritable Bowel Syndrome. She is admitted to a British Hospital and undergoes a series of gruelling tests: 14 procedures including blood tests, biopsies, liver biochemistry, gastroscopy, endoscopy and periods of supervised fasting. It eventually it turns out the cause of her diarrhea (up to ten watery motions per day) is the result of habitual use of sugar-free chewing gum containing sorbitol (3).

This is despite clinical results published twelve years earlier (Gastroenterology January 1983) from the Hartford Hospital and University of Connecticut warning that sorbitol causes gastro-intestinal distress in amounts as little as 10g per day (4).


Dateline June 2003: Popular sugar-free fruit pastilles, mints and chewing gum contain sorbitol in rather large amounts (42% - 50%) (5,6). This means a single tiny 25g purse-pack of fruit pastilles contains easily enough Sorbitol to cause gastro-intestinal distress and diarrhea and Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
And with chewing gum there is even greater danger of sorbitol overdose. The manufacturer of a gum marketed as a teeth whitener (6) encourages consumers to use it many times in a day, presumably to glean as much of the tooth brightening property as possible. Ironically this is claimed by the manufacturer to be a healthy lifestyle activity.

There is no reference on the packaging or manufacturer's website to the laxative properties of sorbitol.
So what? you think. We don't swallow chewing gum.
While gum is not swallowed many of its ingredients are readily ingested and quickly make their way to the intestinal tract.
From Special Dietary to Mainstream
Sugar-free is big business. The last five years has seen a whole new wave of low-joule, so-called tooth-friendly products marketed to mainstream consumers.

Originally marketed only to the Diabetic population, products containing sweeteners like aspartame, saccharin, sorbitol, xylitol, maltitol, mannitol, acesulphame-K, cyclamates and sucralose are now included routinely in Sugar-free jubes, mints, breath fresheners, chewing gum, soft drinks, diet yoghurt, low-joule ice cream and sugar-substitute baking ingredients. Problems arise when people use sugar-free chewing gum or sweets as a habit.

The action of sorbitol is to linger in the gut because it is not digested. Dosing ourselves daily means we are less able to clear sorbitol from our systems: each day it accrues to a greater and greater concentration.

How Does It Cause Irritable Bowel Syndrome?
Firstly, undigested sorbitol in the small intestine acts as a substrate (platform) for the fermentation of bacteria. Hydrogen gas is produced causing abdominal cramps, bloating and severe flatulence. These are also common symptoms of food intolerance, more info Food Intolerance

Secondly, we already know sorbitol in quantities as low as 10g per day causes diarrhea - brought on by the so-called osmotic purge happening in the gut.

Sorbitol is a polyalcohol sugar and is neither digested nor absorbed by the small intestine. It passes through to the colon where it drives an osmotic purge (2). This means it passes through the lining of the intestine causing fluids (mostly water) to pass through in the opposite direction via osmosis. Bowel motions become watery and lead to dehydration and over time, other consequences like malabsorption of nutrients. See Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

Here at foodintol we are not concerned about the use of artificial sweeteners per se, just the dosages or amounts available in everyday food products. When this is coupled with the manufacturer's encouragement to use them frequently and make it a habit we believe there is a real health danger for consumers.

We feel there is room for manufacturers to take more responsibility in relation to sorbitol, especially in the light of increased understanding from long term clinical research.

Meanwhile for the consumer, awareness is our only real defence. For those who believe they may have Irritable Bowel Syndrome it may be wise to take a personal inventory of the sugar-free foods they are eating to first rule them out as a cause.

References

1.http://www.c-store.com.au/articles/confect_sugarfree.html
2.http://www.accaq.org.au/library/lamar.htm

3. Lancet 1996; 348: 1488

4.Gastroenterology 1983; 84: 30

5.http://www.fdale.com.au/ferndale_html/jols.htm

6.http://www.fdale.com.au/ferndale_html/glean.htm



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Oh -- SORBITOL -- Of Course! new
      #60274 - 04/12/04 09:14 AM
Bevvy

Reged: 11/04/03
Posts: 5918
Loc: Northwest Washington State

I missed that. Yep, Sorbitol. And here I am blaming the broccoli. (Although I'll bet the broccoli helped out a lot....)

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Re: BROCCOLI! new
      #60281 - 04/12/04 09:27 AM
JosephC

Reged: 01/25/04
Posts: 125
Loc: Kansas City

Well, I know I shouldnt but I currently have no insurance. However, I DO have a health clinic at the university and they might be able to get me a prescription. The problem is (and docs hate me for it) is my body hates and fights any kinds of relaxing meds. I actually got an anti-spas med (it stared with a d, but I cant recall its name) long ago for some bad headaches and it just made me all out of it. I might be better now for it, and anything that might help for these instances would be good no matter how loopy I might get.
I'll also look into the other stuff. Ive read about people being scared of Donnatal. Whats the thing about it? And the OTC stuff I'll start looking into. I havent done the caps yet-I tried to find some locally, but no luck yet. I do plan to purchase the hypnosis CDs this payday, so maybe I'll add those, too.
Broccoli does tend to me mild for me, though, as I said in another reply. I dont have any raw veggies and I avoid beans, but broccoli is rather mild for my system if I steam it. But I'll keep an eye on it for the future just in case.
Anything that helps me be more prepared next time is always good-you just keep building up that wall until IBS cant come in anymore.

And I say it every time I ask someting, but I'll say it again-you guys are the best! I've only really dealt with this since September, but if you guys weren't here, I dont know what I would do. You all help everyone learn a little more each time and I think we all move a little closer to getting IBS beaten. Thats how I look at it-I know that no matter how bad it can get sometimes, in the end, I'm not letting IBS control me and I'll do everything I can to mke sure of that.

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Re: Uh oh! SORIBITOL! new
      #60296 - 04/12/04 09:50 AM
JosephC

Reged: 01/25/04
Posts: 125
Loc: Kansas City

HOLY COW!
Ok, must look more carefully for THAT ingredient in stuff. Its why I kinda avoid most sweets anyway, but good golly! I'll stick with sugar, I guess. THAT doesnt bother me.
Wonder how much I got from a cookie and a half?

That is some really good info. Thank you for that. Now Im almost certain it was that-and it explains why it took some time to affect me.

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