Made it through day 9 but barely...
#38813 - 01/19/04 10:29 AM
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LauraSue
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My tummy got a little grumbly after dinner last night and is still complaining this morning. I thought I was being real careful, but...back to the oatmeal! At least it wasn't a full fledged D attack, so my winning streak continues at 9 days!! YAY, ME!!!
Inquiring minds will want to know what I ate that might have caused it. My only deviation from the extra safe list was about 1 oz of plain grilled fish, which I ate with about one cup of couscous as soluble fiber and after my usual pre-dinner Metamucil "cocktail" as my hubby calls it! And I had peppermint tea after. Tummy's just not ready for protein yet I guess, although grilled fish has never been a problem for me before.
OR it could have been the bedtime snack of a granola bar. That's the second time this week a bedtime snack bothered me. The first time was the potato bread that I posted about. Again, granola bars have never bothered me -- they're one of my staples. Guess I'll cut out the bedtime snacks. I've learned that if I eat off-schedule, when my body isn't expecting it and hasn't produced the proper digestive juices in anticipation, I have problems. No wonder most of us lose weight on this diet!!
Or it could have been the snow, or it could have been the time of month, or it could have been the way I held my mouth!!! My husband works with computers and he and his friends say that certain computer problems are clearly caused by drinking Diet Coke rather than Diet Pepsi when working on them!! Go figure. Sometimes I think IBS is almost as random. There is no perfect knowledge. Oooh, I just found my signature quote!!! 
Laura
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Congratulations on making it this far!
I also have some IBS attacks and can't figure out why. Sometimes certain foods or snacks bother me and sometimes not at all. Metamucil always made me very gassy and bloated but the Acacia is not at all. Also once in a while I eat a granola bar but I think there are whole oats and maybe nuts in there that can be a trigger? Not sure on that one.
And if you would just stop holding your mouth the wrong way you would be fine! ha ha
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Granola Bars
#38825 - 01/19/04 11:10 AM
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Bevvy
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I blame the granola bar. The percentage of fat in diffrent brands varies considerably, but generally they average around 35%, well over the 25% limit. While General Mills has come out with Oatmeal Crisp Fruit-n-Cereal Bars with only 2g. of fat and 150 calories (that's only 12% fat, folks, according to my handy dandy little calculator), the first ingredient in them is whole grain oats, then whole wheat.
For me, it's back to making my own incredible gingerbread muffins (thank you, Kree!), freezing them, then grabbing one in the morning on my way out the door.
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Hi Laura! I have a couple of suggestions too. I agree with Bev, granola bars can be pretty risky sometimes. They contain some whole wheat ingredients and bother many people. Another big thing is getting to know when you can eat things that might bother you. Personally, I can't eat anything at all risky at night, even if I could have eaten that thing earlier in the afternoon. It seems like around 8 or 9 pm my tummy starts getting really touchy, so I try to eat lightly after that, only snacking on rice cakes or having a piece of safe quick bread and some herbal tea. Then again, I've heard of others who are just the opposite, and have trouble eating things in the morning. I guess it's all about learning what works best for your system!
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GINGERBREAD MUFFINS????? I must go find this recipe now!!!
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Where you been, Girlfriend?!? Kree posted it in the recipe board on the 8th. She put a lemon glaze on it, but for us PURISTS -- and I mean PURISTS -- we don't want no nothin' disturbing the savory flavor of the ginger! I made them without the lemon, OF COURSE, and they're TO DIE FOR. My hubby and I are fighting over them. Say, I wonder how much fat's in 'em . . . KREE?
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The granola bar I've been eating for years is a reduced fat one that clocks in at exactly 25% The label says 120 cal per bar, 30 from fat. So I tend to think it was the fact that I ate it so late. No more bedtime nummies for me!! 
Thanks, everybody, for feedback. Tummy is still complaining. Dinner will be plain spaghetti and water!
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Yours win. It's only fair to share. What's the brand? What's the flavor? And where do we get them? 
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I'll share but be warned, they do contain whole wheat and high fructose corn syrup. I didn't say they were perfect, nor am I!! They're Quaker Chewies, there are a lot of different flavors. They have saved my life many times when away from home and need to eat something relatively safe. Now don't jump on me, I know I shouldn't have eaten it last night!! 
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Oh yeah, see I don't check the recipe board much because I don't cook... I did give my husband the link though... 
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You know on second thought, I need to rethink these granola bars. I see they have sorbitol in them too. I really do NOT recommend them after all. Live and learn. Sorry.
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Where you been, Girlfriend?!? Kree posted it in the recipe board on the 8th. She put a lemon glaze on it, but for us PURISTS -- and I mean PURISTS -- we don't want no nothin' disturbing the savory flavor of the ginger! I made them without the lemon, OF COURSE, and they're TO DIE FOR. My hubby and I are fighting over them. Say, I wonder how much fat's in 'em . . . KREE?
Bev, I don't know how to figure out the fat in my own recipes! I only know how to calculate it when there are nutrition facts in front of me! But with only 1/4 cup oil for 18 muffins I don't think they can be very high in fat.
And Chinagrl... try them with the glaze! Don't listen to Bev the purist, it makes them so sweet and yummy! 
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You know on second thought, I need to rethink these granola bars. I see they have sorbitol in them too. I really do NOT recommend them after all. Live and learn. Sorry.
Don't worry about it, we all have to learn these things! I had to stop eating Quaker bars a while ago too. Blah!
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#39088 - 01/20/04 08:21 AM
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Bevvy
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"Don't listen to Bev the Purist"? "Makes them so sweet and yummy"? I'm tellin' ya -- you don't need more "sweet and yummy" -- the gingerbread muffin BY ITSELF is incredible.
NOW, lets see, about the fat content. It has 1/4 cup oil in 18 muffins, that's 4 tablespoons in 18, or .2222222 tablespoon each, multiplied by 9 is 1.2. Now, 1.2 times the total number of calories -- KREE?
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Sorry Bev, you lost me there! Math isn't my strong point! BUT... I thought of another way to figure it out! I modified it from another website, so I checked out their nutritional analysis. The original recipe was 26% fat, but I used half the amount of oil and only egg whites in place of the 2 eggs, so that means it's LESS THAN 13 % fat!! Excellent!
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AWL -RITE!
#39198 - 01/20/04 02:04 PM
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Bevvy
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Heather's turned me into a fat-calculating fool. I have my calculator with me at all times, and I use it! I go through my pantry, I go through the grocery store -- even my hubby will grab something off the counter and say, "calculate THIS!"
Yeah, your muffins are GO, Girlfriend! 
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I was looking through Heather's book this morning and noticed that people with GERD shouldn't drink peppermint tea. I also just did a search here and see it mentioned alot. I wonder if that was my problem Sunday night and Monday. I think I had three cups on Sunday and two Saturday and two Friday, trying to be really good and follow the extra safe diet exactly.
I haven't been officially diagnosed with GERD but I'm going to ask my doctor when I see him this month. I certainly meet all the Rome Criteria. So maybe it was the peppermint, not the granola bar. As I said, I eat them all the time no problem. The only major change in my diet was the peppermint tea. Up until now, I've only had a cup now and then and it helped, but maybe this time I overdid it!
Any thoughts??? Should I switch to chamomile? (Don't like fennel, unfortunately.)
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Was it your stomach that was bothering you the other night, or your intestines? Because if it was stomach it's possible that could have been the peppermint tea, but that definitely wouldn't bother your intestines. It actually has natural antispasmodic properties, and should actual calm them. So it depends on where the problem was!
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wholewhaet is ano no? A TRIGGER ATO BE SHIED AWAY FROM AT BEST. you would be pushing it with that .
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now you are catching on!
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For me, it's back to making my own incredible gingerbread muffins (thank you, Kree!), freezing them, then grabbing one in the morning on my way out the door.
That sounds so good. I looked for the recipie and
didn't see it. Can you tell me how to find it?
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They're fairly new, so they're probably not on the list yet. I'm so flattered that Bev likes them so much! Here's the link: web page
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Kristin,
Yes, it was my stomach. Gas pains and cramps high up just under the rib cage. Used to happen A LOT but hasn't been bothering me lately. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced it was the peppermint tea. It was the only real change in my diet. I avoided it completely yesterday and feel 100% today.
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That certainly sounds like a possibility then. You know your own body better than anyone else. I'm glad to hear that you're feeling better!
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Thanks, Kristen. I really appreciate the positive feedback. And I really admire your enjoyment of cooking that I've seen in your other posts! That's a terrific skill to have. Good for you!
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A few thoughts -
1. What kind of fiber supplement are you taking?
2. Oatmeal can cause attacks for me.
3. Granola bars - I would leave them out just for a while. They tend to be full of additives.
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Thanks, Kristen. I really appreciate the positive feedback. And I really admire your enjoyment of cooking that I've seen in your other posts! That's a terrific skill to have. Good for you!
You're very welcome, Laura. I remember what it's like to be just starting out on this diet and needing lots of guidance! For that matter, I still need guidance... but that's what's so great about these boards.
As for the cooking, thanks for the compliment! I actually was completely undomestic until a couple of years ago, but I was determined to learn to cook and it's now become one of my favorite hobbies! Hey, we all need something to distract us from the stresses of everyday life, right?
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Kree, your muffins are the best thing yet! I made a batch yesterday and have already eaten over 1/2 of them! And, I love the lemon glaze on them. Gives them just an extra sweetness that really hits the spot. Have one (or 2) of them in the morning with Shanna's Chai Tea Meltdown and I can almost forget I have IBS for a couple minutes and feel like I'm "normal"! Well, that's an awfully lot of credit to give a muffin, but you know what I mean! Thanks for the recipe!
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HanSolo,
1. I've been taking Metamucil for two years now and it has made SUCH a difference. My sister suggested it as did my doctor. I consider it one of the three essential things responsible for my improved quality of life the past 10 years and have threatened bodily harm to anyone with the temerity to get between me and it!! (The other two are antidepressants and Al Anon, a twelve step program for friends and families of alcoholics -- my dad had a drinking problem.)
2. Oatmeal has always been fine for me, no problem there.
3. You're right about the granola bars -- I'll go easy on them for awhile.
Thanks for your help, and I LOVE your screen name.
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Kristin;
(or Kree? Which do you prefer?)
Thanks for the reply. Although I'm new to this board, I've actually had Heather's book and been partially following the soluble fiber diet for almost two years now, which is why it's so frustrating to have a day like I did Monday. I haven't been doubled over with gas cramps like that in months and months.
By "partially following," I mean I started eating way more soluble fiber, way less insoluble fiber, way less fat, and smaller meals more frequently. And of course a fiber supplement, no alcohol for past 10 years, and cut way back on coffee and sodas. I also get lots of exercise on a regular basis and meditate and do relaxation exercises. 
Plus I've been tracking my trigger foods for at least 10 years due to a confirmed allergy to apples and peaches (two trips to the emergency room in full anaphylactic shock and subsequent confirmation by an allergist), plus numerous food intolerances such as corn, mushrooms, MSG, anything fermented or containing mold like blue cheese, bananas, citrus, avocado, etc.
And that approach had kept me D free for six months from mid 2002 to beginning of 2003 and another six months from then to mid 2003. But after relapsing to D once a month starting six months ago has made me determined to double my efforts and follow Heather's diet even more closely. That's why it was so discouraging to figure out that the peppermint tea of all things upset my sensitive tummy. 
Anyway, thrilled to be part of this group with such nice people like you. Sorry for the loooooong post!!
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Kree, your muffins are the best thing yet! I made a batch yesterday and have already eaten over 1/2 of them! And, I love the lemon glaze on them. Gives them just an extra sweetness that really hits the spot. Have one (or 2) of them in the morning with Shanna's Chai Tea Meltdown and I can almost forget I have IBS for a couple minutes and feel like I'm "normal"! Well, that's an awfully lot of credit to give a muffin, but you know what I mean! Thanks for the recipe!
I'm so glad you like them!! I know what you mean about feeling "normal". When I'm at home and can eat all my safe foods I sometimes forget I'm not eating like other people, there are actually so many yummy IBS safe foods out there. It's when I go out and can't eat over 3/4 of the foods on the menu that I remember my limitations! Anyway, glad my muffin helped you along in the search for normalcy, lol!
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Hi Laura! You can call me whatever you want. Kree is a nickname I've had since high school, so it feels about as natural as my name, lol.
Wow! I didn't realize you'd been following this diet for years. You certainly have me beat there! I understand your frustration about having problems with peppermint tea, when that's one of the staples of the diet. The peppermint caps gave me heartburn when I'd never had it before in my life, and that was pretty frustrating too because I had really hoped those could help me. I guess we'll always have our bad days, we just need to figure out how to keep them few and far between, right? It sounds like you're on the right track for doing that! I have C, the opposite problem, so I've been focusing on keeping things moving properly.
That's terrible that you have so many food intolerances. I've never heard of anyone being allergic to apples and peaches! I'm sorry you had to find that out the hard way. Anyway, I hope you've found other foods to fill in the gaps for you. Personally, I've become addicted to potatoes, squash, and carrots, because they're my safest veggies!
Congrats on making it to day... 11, is it? Yay! See you around!
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Okay, Kree it is!
Thanks for your reply. You seem like such a lovely person.
Potatoes are my "desert island" food, you know, if you were exiled to a desert island and could only take one food, what would it be? My mom says bread, but for me it would be potatoes, without question!! Oooh, I should start that as a separate thread!
I love carrots too. Squash is another intolerance so I can't even eat my beloved pumpkin pie anymore without paying the price! But you're right, there's still plenty of foods I can eat, so I'm not complaining (at least not too much!)
Oddly enough my sister in law also has a severe allergy to apples. I've heard of it with strawberries, so it must be kind of similar. The doctor said it's the protein molecule, especially in the skin. I can't even eat applesauce - I don't get the full reaction but it definitely upsets my stomach. Which makes all the lowfat baked goods recipes off limits to me. I'm not much of a cook anyway though, so it doesn't matter. (Actually my mother says I'm an excellent cook, so I guess I should just say I don't enjoy it enough to bother!! I can still eat healthy, and I have other hobbies, so that's okay.)
My goodness, I'm in a chatty mood today! I must be feeling better. Sorry to talk your ear off!!
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Don't worry about it! You're helping me procrastinate, and I appreciate it! Lol. Wow, a squash intolerance too?? You poor girl! I guess you're right, we have to focus on the things we can eat or we'll go crazy... especially someone with as many intolerances as you! Have you ever tried using prune puree in place of applesauce to make baked goods low fat? I've never tried it personally, but I've heard it works just as well. Just a thought to get you around the apple problem!
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Kree,
Good thought but prunes are dried plums and plums are related to apples and peaches so I dassn't, as my grandma used to say. It's okay though because I don't have much of a sweet tooth and don't have the energy to bake anyway. But thanks for the sympathy, it's always welcome!!
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Darn!! I tried.
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