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      #367247 - 04/15/12 09:23 AM
Jang65

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Last night at dinner with a family member as a guest, the question to me was "If you can have potatoes and you can have canola oil, why can't you have french fries, but you can sit there and eat a sweet potato - I don't get it?" I was so blown away by the analysis, I didn't even know what to say. By the way, this is a grown adult, not a child. How do you respond to things like this?


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Re: Family Support new
      #367249 - 04/15/12 09:51 AM
Syl

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The sweet potato wasn't deep fried like the potato so it has much less fat/oil content than french fries. Fat/oil is a major GI trigger. A baked or boil potato would be okay too. It is just the deep frying of the potato that is the problem.


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Re: Family Support new
      #367251 - 04/15/12 10:02 AM
Jang65

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That's pretty much what I said to her, but I get these types of unthoughtful comments and questions all the time. They ask: "Why can't you go out for pizza and feast on all the pepperoni and cheese with us? Just don't eat as much or - have salad instead". I can tell them until I'm blue in the face and they still won't even try to understand. I finally have said "Just trust me, I know what I can have and I will take care of myself - don't try to cook for me or tell me what to eat!"

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Re: Family Support new
      #367253 - 04/16/12 02:58 AM
Susie1985

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There is a science behind this? Tell them you have to eat low fat and that you have certain food intolerances/sensitivities. French fries are high in fat because it's basically potatoes fried in hot oil.

As for pizzas, again in the circles I move in, it's common knowledge that cheese is a dairy and I tell them I am lactose intolerant and can't have dairy. Vast majority of adults (worldwide) apart from fortunate good-gened white people can't have dairy so again something for you to educate your hosts on perhaps!

I do have a confident (and some might say forceful) personality, which helps, so noone has ever 'dared' roll their eyes at me but it's really just about sensibly and concisely explaining what you can and can't have, which will help. Everyone in my family is ignorant and knows nothing about science so they know nothing on this front. But I'll just explain it all to them.

if you can't have FODMAPs it's easy, just say that you can't have fructose or whatever. then say which foods have fructose. again it's simple science but I've found that it actually impresses people. one good thing about IBS is that we do kinda, inevitably almost, become more expert on food and nutrition as a result so show off that knowledge?
for fat, caffeine, alcohol and insoluble fibre, you can just say that you have sensitive digestion and you're in pain from too much of these. you don't have to spell out that you have C or D from anything, in my experience that's when people cringe, but if you say there are certain foods you can't have, have you ever seen anyone deride someone with an egg or nut allergy? It's more like they'll go out of their way to accommodate your needs once you've explained. or at least that's my experience, be it either with intelligent friends or dim relatives.




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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)

before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010


FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml


[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]

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Re: Family Support new
      #367254 - 04/16/12 08:38 AM
Jang65

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Thank you so much for your suggestions. I really do think it is ignorance on the part of my family members, because I have been hospitalized and have suffered terribly with these symptoms and they are all aware of it. If THEY had something like this, I would be researching it to understand how I could help them rather than criticizing them. But that's just me. It gets frustrating when their lives have such a small focus - it's the "ME" generation at work.

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Re: Family Support new
      #367255 - 04/16/12 11:19 AM
Susie1985

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Gosh, you have been hospitalized and yet they have the temerity of questioning your problems. now that is just plain rude. pls don't get too upset by such horrid behaviour. really not worth it. (easier said than done though probably!) hope you've now found a way to control the symptoms!

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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)

before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010


FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml


[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]

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Re: Family Support new
      #367258 - 04/16/12 07:46 PM
Gerikat

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Ya know, I lose my patience with this kind of crap, family/friends or not. You don't have to explain, just simply say, "No, thank you", and let them think what they like and say what they will. If they start again just simply but a bit more firmly say, "NO THANK YOU!" It really is their problem, not yours. You don't owe anyone a detailed explanation about how or what you eat.

I have gotten this crap with some family and friends since I became a vegetarian. I stopped arguing and explaining. Now, I simply say no and then I give them my stare. Shuts the idiots right up! How you choose to eat, whether it be IBS friendly or whatever is your business. People have to learn to tend their own garden, and not worry about other people's.

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Re: Family Support new
      #367259 - 04/16/12 08:42 PM
Marilyn

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I agree - a simple "no thank you" is the easiest way - just repeat it over and over with no angry emotion, politely, even with a smile if you can. Sometimes explanation of the IBS condition from other sources may be helpful - print out IBS info from this site and other reputable medical sites; also there is a publication called "Molly's brochure" that is helpful in explaining - and also the IBS Companion is a CD recording (or MP3)lasting about 20 minutes that explains the IBS condition to friend and family members. (I actually cried when I first listened to it, as it validated everything I was going through.) This recording comes free with the IBS Audio Program, but you can also get if alone as well - Let me know if you are interested.

Hang in there...

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Re: Family Support new
      #367260 - 04/16/12 10:29 PM
Jang65

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It is so helpful to know you are not alone in this struggle to stay well with IBS. Not sure why that's comforting, but it is. Thank you so much for validating my irritation with the ignorance of some - especially the family members whom you can't just cut out of your life. I WILL stand my ground on what food I eat because I am the only one that knows how much it hurts when I don't.

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Re: Family Support new
      #367261 - 04/16/12 10:36 PM
Jang65

Reged: 01/13/11
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I can control the symptoms up to a point using all of Heather's products. The best for the pain is the acacia powder, the fennel tea, and the peppermint capsules. But I make a weekly menu for myself and shop for those foods. I don't buy anything that's not on my list. I bake all my own breads, including sourdough using my owm starter, soy milk, unbleached flour and applesauce. I had an early Christmas today when I found soy cheddar cheese and rice parmeson cheese at Whole Foods. Expensive but worth every penny.

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Re: Family Support new
      #367262 - 04/16/12 10:40 PM
Jang65

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I would be interested in the Molly brochure. Tell me how to order it.

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Molly's Brochure Re: Family Support new
      #367263 - 04/16/12 11:12 PM
Marilyn

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No need to order it - just print it out - you can find it here and below:

http://www.ibsgroup.org/aboutibs


http://www.ibsgroup.org/print/aboutibs Printer Version

IBS Explained for People who do not have IBS:


Written by "Molly" a member of the IBS Self Help and Support Group Forums [6].



•What IBS Is Not:

When my doctor informed me that I had IBS I thought all my problems were over. At last! There was an actual reason why I was experiencing all those miserable symptoms. Symptoms that ranged from inconveniencing to incapacitating. Symptoms that didn't follow any rules and could pop up at any time of day to throw a monkey wrench in a plan, or ruin a social event. Well, all those icky medical tests were worth it because the mystery was over. Let the curing begin!

Then I asked my doctor what IBS was. He told me it stood for Irritable Bowel Syndrome..

"How exciting", I said. "And what is that exactly?"

He said, "IBS is a functional bowel disorder of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, characterized by abdominal pain and alterations in diarrhea and/or constipation."

A diagnosis of IBS has been reported by 10 to 20% of adults and symptoms of IBS obvious thought, "If they can't figure out what's are responsible for over 3 million yearly visits to physicians. Research suggests that IBS is one of the most common functional GI disorders.

IBS exhibits a predominance in women, representing over 70% of IBS sufferers.

Irritable Bowel Syndrome is the catch-all diagnosis that is given to people who are experiencing symptoms, usually chronic, with their gastro-intestinal system that are not being caused by a known GI condition or disease. A large percentage of people who suffer from IBS have found that they can't cure it, or make it go away. The best they can do is make changes, through trial and error, in their diets and lifestyle to tone down the symptoms as much as possible.

Now, you're probably thinking, "Ooooh, I want to hear the details of those symptoms about a much as I want to hear my mother describe going into labor with me." Relax. We want to tell you the details of our symptoms about as much as we want to hear your mother describe going into labor with you. This brochure is not about IBS symptoms, it's about how living with these symptoms impacts a person's life.

Besides, there isn't enough room in this brochure. Two people who have both been diagnosed with IBS could be experiencing symptoms that are exactly the opposite from each other. One of them might only be able to eat certain types of foods that, if the other person ate them, would trigger a severe IBS attack. One of the frustrations and dangers of having IBS is that whenever you get advice, there's a real chance that it could be bad advice for you. IBS is not a true diagnosis, it's a catch-all term the medical community uses when they've ruled out everything else. And it really should stand for, "I'm Basically Stumped".


•What This Brochure Is?

One thing that most IBS sufferers have in common is that it's hard to communicate to the people in their life about what it's like to live with IBS. There are several reasons for this. First of all, talking about problems with your GI system is socially taboo. I mean, yuck! It's a topic you'd associate with an infantile comedy routine, not with a conversation between two coworkers, or two people out on a first date. Secondly, like many chronic conditions, it changes how a person gets through their day. It makes simple daily routines, like going to the bathroom, or ordering food, complicated and difficult. And different. And when your day is different from everyone's around you, it can be very isolating and hard to explain.

Unfortunately, people with IBS often find that they have to explain over and over again. In restaurants, in the office, on trips, and at home. Because even though 20% of the population suffer from some form of GI difficulty, the other 80% have a mental block about believing that it's really real. Or that it's really as bad as people say; that there's a genuine difference between having a 'bad stomach' for a few days and having a chronic condition that effects your whole life.


•The Top List of Issues About My IBS

This brochure was put together with feedback from the IBS Self Help and Support Group website. A question was posted on the IBS Self Help and Support Group Forums [6], "What are the top 5 things you wish people who didn't have IBS could understand?"

The following list has more than 5 items, but many people listed similar things and agreed with what other people posted.

Now, as you read this list please keep in mind, whoever gave you this brochure didn't do it to accuse you of everything on this list. They gave you this brochure to communicate with you the day to day issues of living with IBS. It's an embarrassing condition to describe, and it's a difficult lifestyle to explain. This brochure is a way of helping you to help whoever gave you this brochure find ways to live as normal and uncomplicated lifestyle as possible. To not let IBS run their life, or ruin it.


IBS is a high maintenance condition. You can't simply take a pill and make it go away. And it takes a constant effort to keep it from getting worse. Things like questioning a waiter about the ingredients of of every dish or always checking to make sure there is a bathroom nearby may seem like an inconvenience. But they're nothing compared to the inconvenience of triggering an IBS attack because you ate the wrong food, or not being able to get to a bathroom in time.

IBS is not temporary. It's not something you get over in a few days or even weeks. You may never get over it.


I'm not a picky eater, I just don't want to get sick. Please don't push me to eat foods I have already said "no thanks" to. I know what my stomach can and can't handle.


When I'm having an attack, I need space. Please give me my space when I'm in the bathroom. I appreciate your concern, but you can't help, and your hovering just compounds my embarrassment.

The rules are always changing. And so are the symptoms. Medicines, or herbs, or a special diet that was helping to keep a person's IBS symptoms toned down may suddenly stop working. New symptoms often appear out of nowhere. Foods that didn't bother a person with IBS for years could suddenly trigger a vicious attack. One of the reasons IBS is so difficult to explain is that it keeps changing.


I'm not using ibs as an excuse not to do things. Making plans to go out can be really scary when the symptoms (and the rules) can change at anytime. Please respect that there are times when I can't go out, even if I want to. And please don't look at me funny when I ask if the place we're going has a bathroom. Understand that this condition is completely unpredictable. If we go out together, be prepared for me to run off at any moment to find a bathroom

People with ibs don't talk about it too much. There is nothing a person with IBS would love more than to only have to explain their health condition, and their health needs, once and only once. Unfortunately, most people don't get it the first time. Or they think it's just a temporary problem that will go away by next time. And so IBS sufferers find themselves having to bring up the subject the next time. And the next time.


People with IBS are not obsessed with their bowels. Have you ever heard of an asthma sufferer who was trying to explain their condition being called 'respiratory obsessed'? And you'd never hear of someone describing their heart condition being called, "cardiovascularly obsessed'. But because our GI systems are such a taboo subject, people who try to explain their GI problems are labeled, 'Bowel obsessed'. And sometimes by their own doctors!


IBS is not contagious. I'm not going to make you sick. And if I'm in a relationship with you I still need you to hug me and love me


IBS is not 'all in our heads'. It's true that stress can compound the symptoms. But the "all in my head" routine makes us feel like we're being called crazy. Believe us, we're not crazy, we're just not feeling well.


There are many IBS symptoms. Some not even related to sitting on the toilet. And for many people with IBS, the symptoms are frequently changing.


Don't take my condition personally. Just because I don't want to go out doesn't mean I don't want to spend time with you. I can't always go places where there are no bathrooms, but maybe we could go someplace that does.


I can't always help being late. If I'm late, its not because I didn't plan or didn't care, I just can't help it. If I'm not where I said I'd be when I was supposed to, I might be around the corner in the bathroom, but trying to get there.


I can't control how often I get sick. And if I wasn't putting in a constant effort to keep my symptoms toned down, I would be getting sick even more often. Please don't make me feel worse than I already do by accusing me of 'Always being sick'.


Sometimes, the only thing that helps is space. If I don't feel like being with anybody, that means *anybody*, not just you.


It's not funny when you have to live with it everyday. You know, everyone should be able to laugh at themselves, but there is a limit. To quote someone from the IBS Self Help and Support Group Forums [6]: " If I hear another "spastic colon" joke I may totally lose it!" Sometimes the best way to show a little compassion, is to show a little tact.
•Thanks for Your Understanding

Thanks for taking the time to read this brochure and understand what it's like to live with Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Whether you are a family member, friend, or coworker of someone with IBS, your understanding is very important to them.

When a person develops IBS, their body becomes a very difficult place to live in. By taking the time to understand IBS, you have helped to make their environment an easier place to live in.

.©Copyright 1995-2012 All rights reserved
IBS Group
http://www.ibsgroup.org



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IBS Companion Re: Family Support new
      #367264 - 04/16/12 11:26 PM
Marilyn

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From the IBS Companion Information (recording)

May be helpful to you~

In addition to enduring your IBS symptoms
No doubt you are also dealing with family members, friends, co-workers and others who don't quite know what to make of your condition.

(This program is free with the IBS Audio Program 100, but you can get it alone as a single CD or MP3.)

You may not have told them about it because it is uncomfortable and even humiliating to do so.So often, you may have had to explain to close friends or family that you are not feeling well, or that you need to have guaranteed bathroom access. How many times have you had to lie to co-workers or bosses, or social contacts, because it is just too embarrassing to go into the IBS explanation? And even when you do explain it to family members, they may become irritated, or frustrated at constantly having to deal with your problem, because then it becomes their problem as well. And of course, having to deal with less than sympathetic persons, just seems to add to your IBS symptoms. This IBS CD or mp3 support program may make life a little easier for you.

My name is Michael Mahoney and as I listened to all the IBS patients I have treated over the years, the aspect of dealing with family members and others takes a real toll on your life. Patients became tired of trying to explain their IBS to others only to be given comments like, "just don't eat bad food" – when you have explained that it isn't a particular food that causes it, or perhaps they tell you they had the same thing last week, and you'll get over it, or they tell you to quit obsessing and thinking about it, or that you have brought it on yourself - the comments ranging from trying to be helpful, to downright cruel, are many – and I have heard them all.

And while some family and friends can be caring and supportive, they too can become frustrated because they are unable to do anything to help. And being human, after living with an IBS sufferer, they can unintentionally become a bit callous, as it becomes a burden to them as well. This leads to a vicious cycle - you feel badly that you are causing family upset, and that leads to more frequent IBS symptoms – and so the pattern continues. You are upset that the family does not understand, and they are upset that they can't help you. And there is every combination in between.

In dealing with the social world – friends can be understanding to a point as they don't live with you day to day, but they may have to make allowances in travel with you or various situations like eating out. Some friends are easy-going and may just accept this about you, but others may not be so understanding, and this makes either a tension in the friendship, or the termination of it. Of course, if they do pull out of the friendship due to your IBS, I would say good riddance anyway, because what kind of friend is that?

And lastly, there is the work world. This is a bit tricky, because on the one hand you don't want to be seen as a sick person, not capable of proper employment, but you also want them to know that you are doing the best you can with your condition. Then there is the decision to actually tell them about your condition. Fortunately, IBS is known about a bit more than it used to be, but there are still a lot of misconceptions, and it is not an easy subject to discuss with a boss or co-worker. And while there are many places of employment who know that IBS affects 20% of the population and is secondary in sick days only to the common cold, it still can be met with much ignorance.

Well, what to do. I thought about this burden on the IBS sufferer – the repeated and embarrassing explanations of just what IBS is and what you have to endure, and I thought that this needs to be addressed. Sometimes individuals need to hear the details from another source other than yourself.

And while your physician or gastroenterologist may be available to explain it to your immediate family members, or you can print up information or share books, this isn't always convenient and folks sometimes read only bits and not get the full picture. So I decided to make a recording that explains the IBS condition to other individuals in the IBS patient's life.

This title provides easy to understand and comforting content. Patients saddled with the embarrassing nature of the condition have found this recording to validate their suffering in a professional yet caring manner; it provides emotional support and helps remove the stigma of the condition for the patient, as well as the awkward burden of explanation to less than sympathetic companions.

In addition to having the IBS Companion available separately as a single CD, a few years ago, I decided to add this extra CD to the IBS Audio Program package because it can be an additional avenue of help to the patient's overall condition. The inclusion of this separate, non-therapeutic recording can also provide an added area of patient improvement through lifting the burden of explanation of IBS, as well as providing the potential for improved family cooperation and understanding, which again adds to the multi-level therapy approach.

All too often, we forget that IBS not only affects the sufferer, it can have a detrimental effect on the lives of those around the sufferer. Holidays and days out might often be cancelled or restricted. It is not easy having IBS, it is not easy supporting an IBS sufferer either. This short recording is easy to understand explaining the symptoms, common fears, and the explorative tests that IBS sufferers have to go through to be diagnosed as having IBS. For those around the sufferer, it will provide some much needed insight and ways to be more understanding. For the IBS sufferer, the CD can be a good source of explaining IBS when you have tried or you are too embarrassed or tired of explaining it to others.

The IBS Companion speaks of the humiliations, fears, medical evaluation embarrassments and ordeals that an IBS patient must go through, and how the family can help the patient, rather than add to their distressing situation.

I also mentioned that one of my patients, upon listening to this recording, told me that she cried, as it was the first time she felt validated by someone who understood her condition and its impact on her world. IBS had cost her a good deal of her life, and the recording was the first time she felt real empathy.

Another listener shares his experience with the IBS Companion when he wrote -

"If anyone knows Michael, let him know that his audio program CD for family and friends of the IBS patient really saved me. I had a family wedding in a distant state of a distant cousin. Of course, the entire extended family was attending, except me, due to IBS.
The family was not amused. But I sent them copies of the CD that explained IBS and all of them wrote back apologetically, saying they did not realize what an IBS person goes through."

It is very gratifying to have feedback like this because it goes some way to show just how essential it is to have good communication between the IBS patient and those in your life. Through understanding your condition, you will lighten the weight of constant explanation, and through this, another avenue to help you feel as best as you can with your condition.

And also -this article:


IBS and Friends and Family




By Michael Mahoney, MDHthp
Clinical Hypnotherapist


IBS and Friends and Family



One of the biggest problems the IBS patient faces is living with family or others, or being around co-workers or friends, who do not understand or "get" the IBS condition.

Just about every IBS patient can relate to these comments from the well-intentioned, but misinformed -

"Just don't eat that, and you will be better"

"You already went to the bathroom 5 times already, and we're late…"

"You bring it on yourself, just don't think about it…"

"You already took your - Imodium, Bentyl, Donnatal, fiber, etc. – so why aren't you better?"

"You are just under stress, everyone has it, so just buck up and quit babying yourself…"

"You are doing it because you get attention or to make people feel sorry for you…"

"Just go back to the doctor (for the 10th time), switch doctors (you have had 7 already), go on this diet (you are on crackers and water).."

"I have IBS too, and it isn't that bad - you are making a mountain out of a little problem" (they have mild IBS, you have severe refractory IBS…)


The fact is, while well-intentioned, most people who do not have IBS cannot fully understand what you are going through.

Even when you explain that it feels like having a severe flu all the time, or however you explain it, they either don't get it, or don't believe it could be that bad or any number of off-putting opinions.

People get fed up being around the chronically sick when it isn't something termed to be 'serious' like cancer. Yet the quality of life of a severe IBS patient can be just as lacking as that of the cancer patient.

Now of course we are NOT minimizing the terrible suffering and devastation that cancer brings, but one of our patients was told by her gastroenterologist that he could more effectively treat the pain of his colon cancer patients better than his IBS patents.

And because the IBS condition isn't classified as serious, but a functional disorder, the patient sometimes does not receive the empathy or consideration that any suffering individual deserves, no matter what the cause.

Further to this, perhaps you are feeling guilty that you may understandably complain now and then, when you are aware that other folks may have more serious conditions. This just adds to the IBS condition and can make you feel even worse in your thoughts.

So I developed a professional recording to fully explain the IBS condition to family, friends, co-workers or anyone that you may feel needs to have this information.

I called it the IBS Companion, and give it free in my IBS Audio Program 100 for adults

The IBS Companion© is highly valuable, in that not only will your family, friends, co-workers and/or others have a new respect and understanding of your suffering and condition, but – and this is KEY – you will have eliminated one very embarrassing, and taxing part of your condition – the constant feeling of obligation to explain your illness, or the need to excuse yourself – this burden of explanation over and over is taken off of you!

Designed so you can just hand them a copy of the recorded session to listen to – and you both will be on the same page.

This in turn is part of the beginning of your therapy – before you even consider the IBS Audio Program 100® sessions, you will have had a huge weight lifted off of you –finally – someone really, really understands what you are going through – not just the physical symptoms, painful and unrelenting and embarrassing as they are, but the need for understanding, compassion, and the full aspects of living with a chronic – and embarrassing condition.

I am passionate about helping those who suffer with this condition – why? – because when I first began seeing success with my sessions and protocol, patients came to me with tears of joy and gratitude for getting their lives back, now kidding, it was really quite moving – in fact you can read over 10 years of people – just like you – who have voluntarily written to me, or posted on public websites – who have been given their lives back after years of suffering and embarrassment…

Some people were so sick with IBS they couldn't even travel to see in person – so I taped the programs for them and mailed them – this was the beginning of the IBS Audio Program 100®.

A very simple, grass-roots and humble beginning.

From there, gastroenterologists and general practitioners heard about the program and began to refer their patients to me.

The program grew out of a need and was not a commercial entity at all – in fact – in the early days, I never even asked for a fee from his first IBS patients.

So in that spirit, I know that you will find the IBS Companion© a valuable tool in helping you address the issues of sharing your symptoms and innermost feelings about the condition with others in your life who need to know…



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You can make your own fries! new
      #367340 - 04/29/12 03:12 PM
emmasmom

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I make my own french fries witch I love and so does my family. Cut slice and peel some taters cut them strips wedges or use a fry cutter. Use about 4 then put in a bowl use about 2 tablespoons of oil and mix with the poatoes.Rember some of this oil will cook off. Spray a cookie sheet and put them on ther bake at 400 for about 20 minutes. Serve with salt and Simply ketchup by heniz! YUMMMM

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