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Thanx Syl, that clarifies a lot!
My hypnotherapist told me that when you don't notice improvement within 8-10 sessions, you're not responding and it's better to quit (spending money&time). I read a lot here about people who go through the programme 3 times before noticing improvement... That's a bit contradictory to me(??) If I'm not noticing any improvement in the next months, I'll probably quit.
I'm not sure if I've improved during hypnotherapy. It brings some rest to me, I can use the relaxation. But I don't think my symptoms have improved from it.
It's difficult to tell for me, because I found out my diet during the time I did the hypnotherapy.
(I don't go to my hypnotherapist anymore, but just listen to the cd's)
But it's good to know, it's a good thing to do the hypnotherapy besides a diet.
My hypnotherapist never said my dieting was bad (not at all, although she'd like to see me going to a dietician for help). But she thought it was a little bit of a 'pity' I didn't really have symptoms at the moments I came to her.
Perhaps my hopes were/are up to high about what hypnotherapy would do for me, or about the speed it should work.
I also have other issues (process my extremely bad pregnancy with resulting issues). I work on that through psychotherapy.
Since I have postinfectious IBS I have much faith in the fact that I will get improvement by time.. But it can take years.
I also think/feel the improvement (recovery) can be faster or the chances recovery will occur are higher when I eat according to my diet and have as little as possible symptoms. I keep my bowel as quiet as possible, so it's the best environment to recover.
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meds: lansoprazol+macrogol
started EFI +FODMAPs 1/2011. 'Relapse' for 8 months. Now partly back on track again with the diet..
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Think you could just have a problem with other stuff in dairy, not necessarily the lactose. There is a lactose intolerance test which you may want to go for if you were interested.
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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Gerikat, not sure when it was that hypnosis helped you, but for instance for Marilyn if it was 10 years ago, FODMAP is a more recent phenomenon I think, so her saying that diet never worked for her, maybe it would have, had she tried the FODMAP. But how could she, if it was not available/ in widespread use? Maybe the case is the same with you.
Sand, what an insightful post. I think there's a very good chance that hypnosis could help with that. It helps condition the mind I think. Best of luck.
Syl's post, as always, great post there, I thank you too. If you or anyone else can account for the fact that some people did eventually get relief but only after listening to the whole programme three times over (how did they not lose faith?? why did it take so long to work) I'd be really interested. I don't think my IBS has been massively improved through hypno so far, or at least it's certainly not helped with my sensitivity to fat. But other kinds hypnosis has worked in other areas of my life and I think I am v susceptible, so I am trying not to lose faith here but it really should have been that hypno should have worked for me straight away. And it did not. Or at least it did not for fat. Regarding other aspects, I get bloating from fructans, but that is organic again probably, and I myself started incorporating a lot more IF into my diet without trouble whilst I was on the hypno, so I have no way of knowing whether I'd have been fine with it all along if I'd not been so narrow-minded in the past to assume that I was really that sensitive to IF, when I'm apparently not and probably never was to begin with.
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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I also think it's not the lactose (just by itself). During my pregnancy, I also had problems with all dairy, not just lactose. Although the symptoms were different then.
Now I also have symptoms after eating veal, within 15 minutes I get nauseous. I thought it perhaps contains the same proteins (dairy-veal)??
I haven't been eating dairy for a few months now, but before I did try lactose free yoghurt. I remember I did have less extreme symptoms than from normal yoghurt.
I already became nauseous at the moment I ate normal yoghurt... With lactose-free yoghurt it was not the case.
But I'm going to try lactose-free yoghurt soon, I'm curious to find out. Now I'm stable, I can see what it really does. I'm pretty sure I will get nauseous 
(although I can eat really small amounts, in bread or so)
Don't need testing. If I get sick I know
** What do you eat for dessert?
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meds: lansoprazol+macrogol
started EFI +FODMAPs 1/2011. 'Relapse' for 8 months. Now partly back on track again with the diet..
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I do have discomfort, I get bloated and I still have trouble with fat when I don't wholly cook for myself. It's inevitable as it's v easy to overdose on the fat because I am now really restricting certain carbs (due to another factor, my blood sugar level woes).
Syl, why would you think sugar and cornstarch and maple syrup are problematic for her?
tomatoes or berries are v high in IF. Tomato puree/paste may work? It is roughly same SF-IF. Berries, Syl makes his own berry juice!
these are high in fructose: mango, apple.
Let's wait for Syl's response (he's the most expert on this board after all)
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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...and I myself started incorporating a lot more IF into my diet without trouble whilst I was on the hypno, so I have no way of knowing whether I'd have been fine with it all along if I'd not been so narrow-minded in the past to assume that I was really that sensitive to IF, when I'm apparently not and probably never was to begin with.
Interesting!
I have my hopes up I will find some areas in my diet too which are much more stretchable
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meds: lansoprazol+macrogol
started EFI +FODMAPs 1/2011. 'Relapse' for 8 months. Now partly back on track again with the diet..
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It was discussed in this thread
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STABLE: ♂, IBS-D 50+ years - Science of IBS
The FODMAP Approach to Managing IBS Symptoms
Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
FODMAP Chart & Cheatsheet
The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS
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I am not Marilyn so I cannot speak for her. You would need to address your question to Marilyn, not me. For myself, I have already addressed this issue in detail. I don't know how much clearer I can be.
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Thanx for your thinking along with me!
Unfortunately berry-juice and tomato paste/puree gives me pain. I thought it might be too concentrated in ....something???
I think pain for me is induced by FODMAPs, nausea by 'EFI-IBS-triggers' (dairy/red meat/fat etc).
Although I'm not sure what IF does. carbonated drinks also causes pain I think. Hmm...
I might try whole berries/cherries and tomatoes (cooked/chopped), not just the juice/concentrated stuff...?
It seems I can eat peaches (fresh!) and sweet (bell) peppers (cooked, nót peeled). They also contain quite some IF I guess? Perhaps the IF is not so much my problem (that'll be great  )
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I have tried eating soy with success, there's soy milk and soy yoghurt. Maybe you could try that.
I am a healthy eating freak and these days I restrict carbs to the point that I never have desserts. I sometimes eat cherries/peaches/ apricots after a meal though.
Can you not have sugar at all?
I am looking to try stevia, otherwise I never use sugar/ eat sweets for a number of reasons. (Commercial food I eat may contain sugar though. For instance there is this which I eat all the time: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/sainsburys-price-comparison/Cooked_Prepared_Meat_And_Poultry/Sainsburys_Basics_Tikka_Sliced_Cooked_Chicken_Breast_230g.html
only tikka flavoured chicken which has no lactose and only cooked chicken whose taste I like.)
I eat pudding sometimes, not with sugar but with fruit. But pudding has cornstarch in it. Or maybe you could use xantham gum instead of cornstarch to make it, but as for sweetening if you can't have sugar or sweeteners. Hmmm... I am still confounded that sugar gives you problems, just don't get it how and why. Maybe you could try stevia. As far as I know that is not related to sugar.
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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)
before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010
FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml
[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]
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