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Wonderful News to Share!
      #361211 - 10/02/10 05:48 PM
ewolfie7

Reged: 09/23/10
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I've never posted before and I'm excited to share this with you because it has helped me and it may help you! Briefly, I've been an IBS suffered with IBS-C and IBS-D most of my life but as I've gotten older my symptoms of distress have worsened. In the last 5 years, I've become IBS-D exclusively and dependent daily on Imodium and Bentyl with moderate success. Even so, during the last year, i've lost 15 pounds without trying to. Doctors put me through every test known, GI biopsy, Hydrogen breath tests, Bacterial overgrowth test, Endoscopy, Colonoscopy, Fecal studies, you name it. Only positive result was Hydrogen Breath test. I practice Yoga regularly and I'm currently enrolled in Mindfulness Stress Reduction. But my illness is physical and affected very little by these programs even though I love them. Here's what I discovered in August about it- by accident! I have always had fall allergies but this year they are worse, so I started taking the antihistamine Claritin & Clarinex 24 hour dose each day. Within a few days I found my GI was not agitated at all following meals, so gradually took myself off Imodium, Bentyl and Align. As days became weeks I wondered why this was working so well and went online searching under "IBS & Histamine". Many research articles appeared to explain the connection. All the research I found was coming from Europe... not the US. If you are interested in what I found, let me know and I'll post those websites. Good luck!

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361215 - 10/03/10 04:32 AM
Allisonmary

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I also found antihistamines to decrease my stomach pain at least temporarily and did the same search. Let me know what you find out about this.

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361216 - 10/03/10 06:44 AM
Syl

Reged: 03/13/05
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Welcome to the board,

Recent research has suggested that histamine in GI mucosal mast cells maybe involved in brain-gut miscommunication for IBS. The second generation H1 antihistamine, ketotifen which is also a mast cell stabilizer has been shown in small clinical trials to be effective for managing IBS symptoms.

In 2008 US allergy researchers found that individuals with atopic allergies have a higher incidence of IBS. They suggested that there maybe a subgroup of patients with IBS (atopic IBS) who have typical IBS symptoms in association with atopic allergy manifestations. Perhaps you belong to the subgroup

At this time there is nothing in the IBS research that shows antihistamines like Claritin might have beneficial effects for managing IBS symptoms.

It would be interesting to hear if any others on the board have notice any positive effects on IBS symptoms from taking an OTC antihistamine. If they did experience positive effects it would be interesting to know which antihistimine they were taking.

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361217 - 10/03/10 07:03 AM
ewolfie7

Reged: 09/23/10
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Hi Allisonmary! It's great to hear from you! My doctor shares my excitement and went so far as to check with toxicology with news that I can stay on Clarinex or Claritin forever without problems. What I have found out about my GI issues are that I have Lactose, Fructose, and Histamine Intolerances. I have learned recently that I do not absorb Magnesium, so my serum levels remain below the desired levels. I will be receiving Magnesium infusions soon to improve the required mineral. Magnesium is important and necessary for metabolism of other minerals, foods with Calcium and the functioning of most organs in the body. I'm keeping new food diaries and they are helping me. I can eat certain fresh fruits that have a balance of fructose & glucose. The internet provides charts of these foods. Also, there are food charts on diets that are lower in histamine, too. It's a good idea to download them for guidelines. I'll send you my links to make it easier for you. Here are those links: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/digestive-health/nutrition/low-fructose-diet.pdf
http://www.allergyuk.org/fs_histamine.aspx
http://www.histrelief.com/
http://www.ei-resource.org/myblog/Biogenic-Amines-and-Histamine-Intolerance.html
As you can see, most of these links are from Europe and relatively new! But hang in there.... I think we're coming to a breakthrough with this soon.

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361231 - 10/03/10 04:07 PM
Gerikat

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This is interesting and worth taking a closer look at. Can you post the websites? Thanks for the info!

It is good that you are feeling better and these antihistamines are working for you. You never know where you will find relief.

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361410 - 10/13/10 01:20 PM
seattleite

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Loc: Seattle

Ewolfie-do you have food allergies? if so what ones? i've been thinking about taking claritin on a daily basis(i have seasonal allergies too so i usually take it all the time in March).
Yesterday I was experiencing really bad stomach cramps after lunch...I haven't experienced cramps like this in a long time. Two days before my stomach was also hurting but not cramping this bad so i was trying to think what had i eaten that was the same thing. And the only thing i could think of was butternut squash that i had roasted and had for lunch on both those days. I had noticed that when i was cutting the squash prior to roasting it my hands got extremely dry and flakey...i couldn't even fully stretch my hands open otherwise they felt like they would tear!(maybe having some kind of skin allergy/irritation? i asked my mom if she ever got that from cutting butternut and she said no)i was at work and needed to get rid of these cramps ASAP before a meeting so i thought heck i'll go buy some claritin..and 20 min later after taking 1 claritin the cramps were gone! albeit my tummy was still feeling like it had been beaten up a bit. is it even possible to be allergic to butternut squash? could the claritin have been my savior here, or was it a mental thing? hmmm..

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361423 - 10/13/10 05:04 PM
renee21

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This is all very interesting. Syl, I forwarded that article to my GI at Beth Israels in Boston for his comment, he replied that he thought it was a "red herring". Sounds like he might be mistaken. I am tempted just to start taking Claritin tomorrow to see if it helps!

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361564 - 10/20/10 03:04 PM
shawneric

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They have know about these connections for some ten years now and its an extremly active area of research. The HPA axis can trigger the mast cells through stress as well. The mast cells release histimine onto the smooth muscle and it contributes to pain.

Two types of cells embedded in the gut wall can actually cause the symptoms of IBS, but the entire picture is not clear yet. There is also good evidence for problems within the brain, which is of course closely connected to the gut. These problems maybe primary or secondary to IBS and are very important especially in regards to pain processing.

One cell the called enterochromaffin cells EC cells for short. Stores the majority of serotonin in the gut and is used to signal distress to the brain. The second mast cells. This is part of the macroscopic inflammation they have seen in some IBSers. But inflammation can't be a marker because it doesn't always cause pain.


[image]http://www.webpotential.com/falcon/uploadibspics3/images/gutreceptors.gif[/image]

This is from Dr Drossman and Dr Wood.

Shawn eric,
To say that people with IBS may get symptoms from food intolerances is an acceptable possibility, since the gut will over react to stressors of all types including food (high fat or large volumes of food in particular). Futhermore, there can be specific intolerances. So if you have a lactose intolerance for example, it can exacerbate, or even mimic IBS. Other examples of food substances causing diarrhea would be high consumers of caffeine or alcohol which can stimulate intestinal secretion or with the latter, pull water into the bowel (osmotic diarrhea). The same would be true for overdoing certain poorly absorbed sugars that can cause an osmotic type of diarrhea Sorbitol, found in sugarless gum and sugar substituted foods can also produce such an osmotic diarrhea. Even more naturally, people who consume a large amount of fruits, juices or other processed foods enriched with fructose, can get diarrhea because it is not as easily absorbed by the bowel and goes to the colon where it pulls in water. So if you have IBS, all of these food items would make it worse.

However, it is important to separate factors that worsen IBS (e.g., foods as above, stress, hormonal changes, etc.) from the cause or pathophysiology of IBS. Just like stress doesn't cause IBS, (though it can make it worse), foods must be understood as aggravating rather than etiological in nature.

The cause of IBS is yet to be determined. However, modern research understands IBS as a disorder of increased reactivity of the bowel, visceral hypersensitivity and dysfunction of the brain-gut axis. There are subgroups being defined as well, including post-infectious IBS which can lead to IBS symptoms. Other work using brain imaging shows that the pain regulation center of the brain (cingulate cortex) can be impaired, as well as good evidence for there being abnormalities in motility which can at least in part explain the diarrhea and constipation. So finding a specific "cause" of IBS has grown out of general interest in place of understanding physiological subgroups that may become amenable to more specific treatments. Hope that helps.
Doug

Dr Wood's comments for me


"Dr. Jack Wood, a renowned physiologist at The Ohio State University calls the ENS the little-brain-in-the-gut.

"Dear Shawn eric:

Sorry for the delayed reply to your question. I generally agree with Dr. Drosssman's response. A subgroup of individuals when they become sensitized to specific molecules in certain foods respond to ingestion of the molecules with symptoms of cramping abdominal pain, fecal urgency and explosive watery diarrhea. These are also the primary symptoms of diarrhea-predominant IBS. Enteric mast cells, by mechanisms we don't understand, become sensitized to the food molecule and respond to its presence by releasing a signal to the brain-in-the-gut (ENS) which is interpreted as a threat. The ENS responds by running a program which organizes secretion and motility into a behavior pattern of the bowel, which rapidly clears the threat from the lumen. Because to be effective secretion occurs in large volumes and the contractions that accomplish rapid propulsion are strong, running of the program has the side effects of diarrhea and cramping pain. Big brain input to mast cells during stress activates the mast cells to evoke the symptoms resulting from exposure of the mast cells to sensitizing food antigens. Aside from food allergens and mast cells, certain chemicals such as those in hot peppers, stimulate sensory nerves in the ENS and we are beginning to understand how this can also lead to food-related symptoms that might mimic or exacerbate IBS.

Hope this helps,

Jackie (Jack) D. Wood "

"You have two brains: one in your head and another in your gut. Dr. Jackie D. Wood is a renowned physiologist at The Ohio State University. He calls the second brain, "the-little-brain-in-the-gut." This enteric nervous system is part of the autonomic nervous system and contains over one hundred million neurons, which is as many as are in the spinal cord. This complex network of nerves lines the walls of the digestive tract form the esophagus all the way down to the colon. This little brain in the gut is connected to the big brain by the vagus nerves, bundles of nerve fibers running from the GI tract to the head. All neurotransmitters, such as serotonin that are found in the brain are also present in the gut.

Dr Wood has discovered that this little-brain-in-the-gut has programs that are designed for our protection and which are very much like computer programs. They respond to perceived threats in the same way that the limbic system or the emotional brain does. So the threat of a gastrointestinal infection can activate the program that increases gut contractions in order to get rid of the infection. The symptoms are abdominal cramping and diarrhea.

Dr. Wood has determined that a type of cell found in the body and the gut, called the mast cell, is a key to understanding the connection of the big brain in the head with the little-brain-in-the-gut. Mast cells are involved in defense of the body. In response to certain threats or triggers, such as pollen or infection, mast cells release chemicals, such as histamine, that help to fight off the invader. Histamine is one of the chemicals that causes the symptoms of an allergy or a cold. When an infection of the gut occurs, such as food poisoning or gastroenteritis, the mast cells of the gut release histamine. The little-brain-in-the-gut interprets the mast cell signal of histamine release as a threat and calls up a protective program designed to remove the threat at the expense of symptoms: abdominal pain and diarrhea.

The brain to mast cell connection has a direct clinical relevance for irritable bowel syndrome and other functional gastrointestinal syndromes. It implies a mechanism for linking allostasis and the good stress response to irritable states (e.g., abdominal pain and diarrhea) of the gut. Mast cells can be activated to release histamine in response to perceived psychological stress, whether the stressor or trigger is consciously perceived or not. So the end result is the same as if an infection activated the program in the-little-brain-in-the-gut: abdominal pain and diarrhea."

I have been trying to point this out for many years on different IBS BB's.

So those mast cells are one issue in the bigger picture and can be triggered by perceived threats even, like antisipatory anxiety of say going for a car ride. This activates the fight or flight and the fight or flight activates the HPA axis and this activates the gut.

Some people's IBS gets better when they have a cold, for some it gets worse as well.



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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361697 - 10/26/10 07:28 AM
IBSMess

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Anything is an option at this point. All websites will help. My daughter suffers daily and has for almost two years now. Going into her senior year in high school, it has dominated her life and has become the big elephant in the room of stress for the whole family. We can't even encourage her to eat out as a family...she is miserable and we are too because we can't seem to do anything for her. We feel helpless. She is seeing a psychologist for stress management per her doctor. She takes nexium once a day. Being a teenager and an honor student, she is always stressed but her IBS is ruining what should be the best years of her life. And she will leave for college in the future...what then? We are currently seeking a second opinion because things seem to be getting worse. We cannot pinpoint certain foods that set her off. Her diet is horrible because we feed her what she can tolerate at that specific moment. She is a whopping 94 pounds and we are just overwhelmed and worried. She had an upper GI and a colonoscopy almost two years ago for this diagnosis. I am currently trying to get her to a second doctor for a second opinion. Like others with this illness, she battles loose bowels one day and constipation the next...suffers trough periods and is exhausted all the time and has absolutely no energy at times. She has some good days but very few. The anxiety gets overwhelming when she does activities out of fear that her stomach will react...
please give us some insight on this...it is ruining our household and we can't stand to see what it is doing to our precious daughter! Could she be misdiagnosed? Bloodwork always comes back normal...Any suggestions?

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Re: teenager new
      #361705 - 10/26/10 11:34 AM
kem

Reged: 06/09/10
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I don't even know where to start in commiserating with the whole parent side of things, but my heart goes out to you and your daughter. My own daughter is only 12 and has been thru an IBS horror story, too, so I know . . . I REALLY know.

I wish I could just pour out everything to you!, but I think that the most useful and responsible thing I can do is to share the positive.

The background: This past June my daughter was in debilitating pain all the time - couldn't sleep, missed a month of school, completely exhausted, became dangerously thin, all that. She is now back in school full time and hasn't missed one day since September! She's HAPPY again, has gained back the weight, sleeps, is active. I'm watching the remaining symptoms dissipate. (And I'm actually crying a mother's tears of relief/gratitude as I type this.)

Here's what I believe made the difference: EFI decreased the pain. (If your daughter is still in school and able to function, maybe you are that much ahead of where we were and don't need that part.) Then, the hypno program discussed and sold on this site broke the back of the anxiety (which came from the pain and fear of more pain). Breaking that cycle changed everything. Meds can't do that. (And IMO vigilance over diet - while offering desperately necessary relief! - can actually feed the cycle).

We tried many, many other alternative treatments, too, and many were useful, but looking back now I think I can say that the hypno yeilded the most progress the fastest. It's inexpensive (compared to everything else I know you're already paying for!), and it's easy and gentle with zero negative side effects. And tell your daughter that *there's NOTHING embarrassing involved*.


I could stop here and feel that I've done the right thing, but if you want to talk to another mom or you want to hear details, reply here and we can set up a way to talk off the board.

May you witness your daughter's recovery ASAP,
kem (daughter w/ibs-d)




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Re: teenager new
      #361754 - 10/29/10 02:54 PM
Marilyn

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I would be happy to liaise for you kem and mom/IBSmess as well as share info with you. Feel free to call 877-898-2539 and I can connect you as it is not safe to enter your email addys on public BBs.

The IBS Audio Program 100 for adults and teens has been very helpful for just what you describe about your daughter. Kem's daughter is using the IBS Audio Program 60 for Children, but your daughter is older, so would be better for the 100 program.

The author of the programs, Michael Mahoney, has worked with many many IBS teens just like your daughter. He had one little lady who was so incapacitated from IBS that she missed 2 years of school! He was able to help her get back to school with no more IBS issues - she is now a young adult working full time with no problems whatsoever re the IBS.

There IS hope - all the things you mention are just the things that are addressed in this program - it has been helping sufferers since 1998 - with that type of longevity, if it did not help, Heather would not sell it here, there would be lots of neg reviews on open cyber space (there are very few) and I would never even suggest it...

Take it from someone who has had IBS since 1983, and suffered horribly - this was the only thing that touched my IBS after almost two decades of tests, medications, diets, starvations, supplements, you name it, I was on it, short term to no relief.

Do call - I am here to help and can connect you two if you wish to help each other also...

All the best - dont give up on your precious daughter - I speak with moms all over the US and Canada - and have many happy stories to tell - there IS hope...



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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #361839 - 11/02/10 12:51 PM
vettech

Reged: 06/08/08
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Hmmm, this is interesting and I'm so happy it helps you. I have always had allergies (longer than I've had IBS, even). I take claritin daily and never found it affected by GI symptoms one way or the other. However, whenever my allergies get really bad and I add benadryl to the mix, I did find an improvement in my digestive symptoms. But I always attributed this to getting a good night's sleep, since benadryl knocks me out and lack of sleep was one of my biggest triggers.

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #366208 - 10/05/11 12:58 PM
Nelly

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Loc: Within stray mortar fire of DC

Hello shawneric,

I was wondering if there was a new medicine to treat Mast Cell disease, which I was unsucessfully treated for when I was referred to an allergist in the early '90's. I took sodium cromalyn for 2 years daily in the States, then for another 2 in France (the reason I switched to a French doctor was because my medicine in America was only available in a powdered capsule form, which I had to break and dissolve in boiling water 3x a day, while in France the doctors gave me glass ampoules of liquid, and their opinion of American doctors.).

Despite me not responding to this treatment and never displaying the symptoms of masto cytosis, the blotchy skin rash accompanying this disease, my allergists refused me a different diagnosis, so I discontinued treatment.

Three doctors later and a total of four colonoscopies with biopsies, sigmoidoscopies, upper GIs, lower GIs, barium swallows, barium enemas, MRIs and CAT scans, they gave me "normal" results: no swelling, no celiac, Crohns, Lyme, MS, Parkinsons, nothing but Pain-predominant IBS-D and Fibromyalgia+CFS. So I most likely never had Mast Cell disease.

What intrigues me is that medicines to suppress Mast cells from releasing hystamine are being considered for IBS patients. I have used benedryl, Allegra and Claratin to control hay fever and have found absolutely no effect on my stomach issues. As a D-er, I am accutely aware of reactions to new meds, and have over the years tried to limit my treatment to loperamide, belladonna, yoga and meditation, and to control the environmental and external stressors (a/c, arguing with mom ).

If you are still reading my rambling post, I thank you. Do drugs target the gut histamines more than they used to, and are there new Mast Cell therapies good for IBS?

Best,

~nelly~

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Re: Wonderful News to Share! new
      #366288 - 10/18/11 02:33 PM
som

Reged: 03/19/08
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my hands go all dry and weird when i cut butternut squash too.is there any news on the hisatimine therory?

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