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activia yoghurt?
      #360330 - 08/15/10 09:50 AM
CellSalts_Work

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Again, this site warns against dairy products, but I thought that yoghurt was essential for a healthy diet and case in point this type: http://www.alfa-editores.com/web/images/stories/NOTIALFA/Notialfa28mayo2007/activia.jpg
has the beneficial gut bacteria in it??

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Susie, born in 1985,
(pseudo-)D and bloating April 2007-December 2010, now stable



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Re: activia yoghurt? new
      #360335 - 08/15/10 12:49 PM
fairleas

Reged: 05/05/09
Posts: 87
Loc: USA

I'm sorry you're having problems so far. Here is the main thing I've found out when following this eating plan:

  • You've got to throw out everything you've ever been told was "the truth" about food. If it works for you, then it works, period...no matter what "they" say.


You can get acidophilus and good, beneficial gut flora from tablets just as easily as eating the yogurt (which I never thought was good anyway and only made my D worse). Maybe it's different for people with C, I don't know.


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IBS-D since...well, a long time
(probiotic acidophilous, SF supplements, IBS eating plan)
my blog

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Re: activia yoghurt? new
      #360338 - 08/15/10 03:23 PM
Little Minnie

Reged: 04/16/04
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Loc: Minnesota

If you want probiotics, just take probiotics without the yogurt.

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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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Re: activia yoghurt? new
      #360343 - 08/15/10 08:21 PM
Allisonmary

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I think it depends on the extend of how bad your IBS is..my dad who has a mild IBS but does not follow the EFI diet plan claims that the activia helps him. But many people here would get very sick from yogurt. I think it depends if you can tolerate the amount of dairy in a yogurt which depends on the person. If you were to try it though I would get the original kind tho because the flavored one have excess fructose which can be bad too.

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Re: activia yoghurt? new
      #360346 - 08/16/10 01:05 AM
CellSalts_Work

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thanks all.

No probiotics in tablet form ever worked for me the same way Activia did. Activia did occasionally do wonders. That said sometimes it has been quite vile as well. It all fluctuates for me. I do remember what it was like to have healthy bowel movements before IBS. Only once over the past 3 years have I experienced that, otherwise the best description of how my bowel movements are is 'irregular', completely. One single time though, after eating a bowl of Activia yoghurt with peaches in it, it was like it used to be. And that in the evening. Tried it one more time the next day, did not work again, ever.

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Susie, born in 1985,
(pseudo-)D and bloating April 2007-December 2010, now stable



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Re: activia yoghurt? new
      #367900 - 07/24/12 12:14 PM
hec204

Reged: 07/18/12
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Hello
I am new to the forum - and to IBS :-( Very overwhelmed by all the info and amount of detail.. not at all used to checking ingredients or even cooking 'properly'. Not sure how I'm going to cope.

Anyway I guess I'm replying specifically to the post by Susie- what you describe about a certain food seeming to work wonders one time, then causing symptoms another, rings very true! But in your signature thing it says "stable", does that mean you don't get these kind of reactions anymore?
Related to that, in general, I have been wondering if there is a delay between eating something and symptoms appearing? Like, if I eat something 'bad' one day, I might not see the effects until a day or so later? Is that possible???

I have been trying to keep a food diary but it's very frustrating + I'm struggling to see the point - just seems like way too many interacting factors, so how I can attribute certain symptoms to certain foods?

:-(


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cellsalts new
      #367901 - 07/24/12 01:06 PM
Ahhh

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What brand of cell salt do you recommend? do you know a good online store?

http://www.aussievitamin.com/martin-&-pleasance-ibs-relief-homoeopathic-spray.html no product description or info...

Thanks

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ibs-D & bloating,mucus,gerd,incomplete evacuation.
diet-no preservatives,no table salt,homemade cooking,grains-sushi rice,rice flour,oatmeal,gluten&soy free





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Re: activia yoghurt? new
      #367904 - 07/24/12 03:46 PM
Syl

Reged: 03/13/05
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Loc: SK, CANADA

Welcome to the board,

Stable general means you can carry on your day without IBS symptoms interfering too much.

It can be minutes, hours or a couple of days after eating a trigger foods before you experience IBS symptoms.

It is difficult keeping a food diary and trying to make sense of it. Over the past decade or so there has been a considerable amount of research into what foods to eliminate in order to manage IBS symptoms. In particular, the FODMAP approach outlined in the first two links in my signature has been clinically tested on IBS patients in the UK, Australia and a trial is underway in the US. The first article was written by a dietitian and it give guidelines on what foods try to eliminate to reduce IBS symptoms. You may find it helpful in making sense of an elimination approach that has been shown to be useful.


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STABLE: ♂, IBS-D 50+ years - Science of IBS

The FODMAP Approach to Managing IBS Symptoms
Evidence-based Dietary Management of Functional GI Symptoms: The FODMAP Approach
FODMAP Chart & Cheatsheet
The Role of Food & Dietary Intervention in IBS

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Re: cellsalts new
      #367916 - 07/25/12 01:30 PM
Susie1985

Reged: 05/04/11
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Can't help I'm afraid. I no longer use these cell salts as most brands available here in Europe have lactose in them, which is a real trigger for me.

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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)

before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010


FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml


[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]

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the way to start new
      #367918 - 07/25/12 02:01 PM
Susie1985

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Hang in there!

Proceed just as Syl replied (you'll generally find that his replies are always the most useful whatever problem you may have).

Read about the FODMAPs in his signature (or mine)
and there's the EFI rules (this website expounds on all that really well):
-more soluble fibre than insoluble fibre per meals
-no alcohol
-no caffeine
-reduce fat percentage of food.

If I were you I'd try a v basic diet to start with to get you stable and then add other foods ONE BY ONE to see if you do alright with them.
-carbs: porridge, boiled/baked potatoes, cooled rice, cooked carrots, cooked marrow/courgettes, smooth orange juice, baked peppers
-protein: grilled chicken breast/ white fish, prawns, canned tuna
-fat: salmon, olive oil

these are some of the v basic foodstuffs that are unlikely to negatively affect your IBS and eating these will still get you most vitamins and minerals you need. If you were to eat these only for a while you may find your symptoms abating and then is the time to experiment.

Syl for instance can have bread and pasta (wheat, fructans) and I can't. I am not as sensitive to fructose as he is on the other hand. He has to be incredibly careful with the amount of insoluble fibre, I can get away with more. He can be more liberal with the fat per meals (or fat overall in the day), for me it is absolutely essential to have a maximum of 25% of kcal coming from fat within ANY ONE meal, which is v difficult but doable. 1g fat has 9kcal, 1g carb 4, 1g protein 4. often requires a bit of Maths.

This is two random individuals that I happen to know about, but we are all different. You have to experiment for yourself. When I started I knew nothing about food (or cooking or calories or digestion) and now I'm much more of an expert even with a humanities background, it's easy and fun to learn. I v much trust science now and I used to wrongly believe/assume only that it was certain foods that set me off sometime and I do fine with them other times. I don't think that's the case anymore. While some people with IBS (or indeed healthy people too) will be adversely affected digestion-wise if under stress (ask how many normal people have diarrhoea before a big job interview), the fate of most that suffer from IBS will be determined by what food they eat. I have been known for my volatile moods and not coping with stress well, yet my IBS symptoms didn't flare as long as I ate the right foods. It's science. Some foods will be a trigger for you that may not be for me, but they rarely change, ie it's not that I can eat bread on Wednesdays but not next Friday. I can't really eat bread anytime. If you are sensitive to fructose, an apple will always negatively affect you. If you can't tolerate dairy products, they will always cause some sort of problem. As you may have noticed, there may be a delay in the symptoms but they're always there.

IBS basically means having a sensitive digestive system, but it's pretty much always sensitive and there's no real good or bad days so that you can eat as you like on good or have to limit everything on bad.

There's hypnosis, which has helped some people and there's various probiotics (pls list them Syl) that may help. VSL3 helped me a lot but I can't afford it long-term so I am back to eating according to my rules and using a fibre supplement for insoluble fibre.

Best of luck, it's not easy, we've all had our fair share of frustration but you'll get there!

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now: stable through EFI+FODMAP dieting (no lactose/no fructose/some fructans and some polyols)

before: IBS-D(pseudo-diarrhoea), bloating, often unbearable pain esp from too much fat: Apr 2007- Dec 2010


FODMAPs: http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/072710p30.shtml


[I've tried VSL#3 -> I could tolerate v good amounts of IF (even with less SF), it worked great (but overall I find it too expensive)]

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