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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357051 - 03/27/10 02:50 PM
Windchimes

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Hiccups (aka hicoughs) are also another thing that some people experience after swallowing air, drinking carbonated beverages, or eating too fast (gulping food), none of which are good for IBSers though are not caused by the IBS condition itself... though certainly can irritate it as what we input through our mouths have a long distance to travel before it exits out the other end.

As I understand it at this point in time 'tics' are caused by nevousness that tends to focus on a specific nerve (differing from person to person), and frequently exacerbated by excess stress. I've had friends through the years who have facial tics that come and go, such as eye twitching which they cannot control.

These of course have nothing to do with IBS, nor are they causes of IBS. It's a central nervous system reaction that is not known to be gut related. However, having such can be both embarassing and stressful at times in certain social situation, which in and of itself can upset the IBS gut.

Much of this is seemingly a merry-go-round and a mistery to many of us.



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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357052 - 03/27/10 03:16 PM
Windchimes

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Geri,

This is interesting, and I do believe this too (repetive sneezing) could be caused by a tic. We all know that tickle or nose stinging sensation we get when we need to sneeze. Well it does make sense if the neurological sensors keep sending such a message to the nose, the sneezing is going to be repetitive until somehow stopped.

I had a tendency to sneeze numerous times in the mornings shortly after awakening. I think it was due to having the house closed up to maintain heat and not having enough fresh air and moisture in my bedroom. I have solved this problem with a bottle of plain old saline nasal spray (salt water) by Equate and sold at Walmart. A few drops of this (harmless) in each nostril allows me to blow out the offending particles while moisturizing my nasal passages and throat at the same time. I have not had a cold or a sore throat since I started using this a few years ago.

If there is one place in our home that we need to keep as dust free as possible is our bedroom. We spend significant time there sleeping. There is a lot of dust generated by bed linens and also the shedding of dead skin cells into the bedding which in turn invites dust mites. Sounds gross I know!

A good room air filter for the bedroom is well worth the investment, and some people like to use a vaporizer at least occasionally to moisturize their sinuses and keep them from drying out. For some, dry sinus mucosa can cause nose bleeds when sneezing or blowing their noses too hard. A little petroleum jelly in the nose can also soothe dry nasal mucosa.

While some of what I've written here may seem off topic, the bottom line is the darnest things can sometimes flare gut symptoms for IBSers for a variety of reasons, even something as small as swallowing sinus drainage when one doesn't have a tissue close by to spit the gunk out into.



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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357063 - 03/28/10 04:05 AM
Allisonmary

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I don't know if you tried to look up the book I told you about in the previous post, sry I tried to copy and paste but couldn't. You can find it by typing in the book name and then yawning in google. It may be interesting for you to know that the chinese talk about IBS often as Liver Qi Stagnation or Spleen and KIdney Yang Deficiency. Yawning is also described as being from Liver Qi Stagnation and SPleen and Kidney Yang Deficiency if you notice in the symptoms area how excessive yawning also goes along with symptoms such as loose stools or abdominal distention. So in some way they can be related and the excessive yawning may just be another clue that things aren't moving around in your body the way they should be. There is also a difference between yawning in general and yawning which is worse on exertion, do you notice a difference? If you just yawn all the time, it may be a good idea to exercise if you don't, that should help.feel better:)

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357086 - 03/28/10 11:42 AM
IBSHelpWanted

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Quote:

I don't know if you tried to look up the book I told you about in the previous post, sry I tried to copy and paste but couldn't. You can find it by typing in the book name and then yawning in google. It may be interesting for you to know that the chinese talk about IBS often as Liver Qi Stagnation or Spleen and KIdney Yang Deficiency. Yawning is also described as being from Liver Qi Stagnation and SPleen and Kidney Yang Deficiency if you notice in the symptoms area how excessive yawning also goes along with symptoms such as loose stools or abdominal distention. So in some way they can be related and the excessive yawning may just be another clue that things aren't moving around in your body the way they should be. There is also a difference between yawning in general and yawning which is worse on exertion, do you notice a difference? If you just yawn all the time, it may be a good idea to exercise if you don't, that should help.feel better:)




I did look at the link and have it bookmarked. Thanks for your help. I do seem to feel a slight difference in the yawning I describe now and the yawning I have been used to my entire life. It's kind of hard to explain. As for things that bring it on, it seems to be related to foods that definitely cause trouble with my supposed IBS-C. For instance, after half a glass of alcohol the yawning starts up.

As for exercise, I do a ton of it. I probably average running about 45-55 miles per week right now and also supplement the running with a lot of other exercise as well.

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357088 - 03/28/10 11:49 AM
IBSHelpWanted

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It likely isn't related to IBS. Check Excessive Yawning at the University of Maryland Medical Center.




Thanks for the link. It certainly seems as though the yawning pops up after eating/drinking things that cause my IBS trouble. I also do not always feel tired with it either. I've googled a lot on the subject and don't seem to see many people with a similar problem.

I am meeting with a doctor in a couple weeks and will bring up all these symptoms to see what he says. I have not been diagnosed with IBS-C yet but it does seem the most fitting diagnosis based on my symptoms. Excessive yawning seems to have quite a few different causes so it might be something else yet.

Thanks again for the help. I'm checking out the link now.

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357112 - 03/28/10 07:08 PM
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Hey,
Do you find that the exercise makes the yawning and stomach pains better or worse? What the book really is saying is that yawning and stomach pain can come from the same root problem, not necessarily that foods may trigger the yawning. But I would think that if you were to eat a trigger food, it may aggravate the root problem (may be liver qi stag, or sp/kd yang def) and therefore cause the yawning. I will ask my teachers abotu and see if they have heard of this.
PS.Just so you know Im studying chinese medicine which is why this might sound crazy I guess if your not studying it. But sometimes there is not Western answer for something, but eastern medicine has books written entirely about symptoms like yawning because they try to look at the whole body and all the symptoms to get a clue in to the root cause. And excessive yawning may not be a very important symptom in Western medicine, but in Eastern medicine it can tell us a lot about what is really going on in the body.

Edited by Allisonmary (03/28/10 07:14 PM)

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357113 - 03/28/10 07:30 PM
Little Minnie

Reged: 04/16/04
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I saw her too.

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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357124 - 03/28/10 10:14 PM
IBSHelpWanted

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I haven't really noticed any differences in the yawning on days that I work out and on days that I do not work out. I have been working out almost daily, though, since the yawning symptom started probably like 6-9 months ago. It also coincides with my IBS symptoms gettinig worse. I probably have had slight, barely recognizable IBS symptoms for 3-4 years but they were barely out of the realm of what would be considered normal and I only recognize them now.

I rarely, if ever, yawn during a strenuous cardio workout.

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357125 - 03/29/10 05:57 AM
Allisonmary

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Do you think you are eating enough for the amount you work out? LIke iron, protein, and things that are good to tonify blood? COuld you possibly have a low RBC count or hypothyroidism. SOmetimes if you work out alot but you don't give your body the proper fuel it will kind of slow down too much. You may not notice it when you are exercising but when you are still. THe section of the book I sent you abuot Qi stagnation, blood stagnation, do you have any other symptoms like dizziness, chest pain. What about cold hands and dry skin?

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Re: Yawning and IBS Symptoms? new
      #357128 - 03/29/10 06:28 AM
Aly

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So, this isn't exactly what you're describing--but here's my experience...
Whenever I get a bad IBS attack, I get unbelievably tired. I can hardly speak due to the level of pain, and I just run back and forth to the bathroom. However, there have been *many* times when I "put myself to sleep." That's the best way to describe it. I yawn and cannot keep my eyes open. It's almost a guarantee that as soon as I can stay out of the bathroom, I am on the couch asleep. My Mom is a nurse and says it's almost like my body's defense to put myself to sleep instead of feel the level of pain. Do you also get sleepy? Or is it just yawning? Sorry if this is totally different and not helpful, but I thought I'd throw it out there for you...
Hope that helps.

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