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Re: shaneric/think I have an answere about the clam chowder recipe new
      #354414 - 01/11/10 02:30 PM
shawneric

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You know as I can't remember now, were you ever diagnosed with IBS by a doctor?

"Well someone who knows alot about food allgeries told me today that It really sounds like a food intolerance"

Not necessarily, it could be IBS?

also a food allergy is an immune response and a food intolerence is not.

Food allergies can cause d and pain and gas. They effect the mast cells in the body.

I have to post this here as there is no link. it was sent to me personally.

Dr Wood is a major expert on IBS but also food allergies.


Dr. Jack Wood, a renowned physiologist at The Ohio State University calls the ENS β€œthe little-brain-in-the-gut.”

"Dear Shawn:

Sorry for the delayed reply to your question. I generally agree with Dr. Drosssman's response. A subgroup of individuals when they become sensitized to specific molecules in certain foods respond to ingestion of the molecules with symptoms of cramping abdominal pain, fecal urgency and explosive watery diarrhea. These are also the primary symptoms of diarrhea-predominant IBS. Enteric mast cells, by mechanisms we don't understand, become sensitized to the food molecule and respond to its presence by releasing a signal to the brain-in-the-gut (ENS) which is interpreted as a threat. The ENS responds by running a program which organizes secretion and motility into a behavior pattern of the bowel, which rapidly clears the threat from the lumen. Because to be effective secretion occurs in large volumes and the contractions that accomplish rapid propulsion are strong, running of the program has the side effects of diarrhea and cramping pain.

Big brain input to mast cells during stress activates the mast cells to evoke the symptoms resulting from exposure of the mast cells to sensitizing food antigens. Aside from food allergens and mast cells, certain chemicals such as those in hot peppers, stimulate sensory nerves in the ENS and we are beginning to understand how this can also lead to food-related symptoms that might mimic or exacerbate IBS.

Hope this helps,

Jackie (Jack) D. Wood "

Importantly also with the mast cells


FYI

"You have two brains: one in your head and another in your gut. Dr. Jackie D. Wood is a renowned physiologist at The Ohio State University. He calls the second brain, "the-little-brain-in-the-gut." This enteric nervous system is part of the autonomic nervous system and contains over one hundred million neurons, which is as many as are in the spinal cord. This complex network of nerves lines the walls of the digestive tract form the esophagus all the way down to the colon. This little brain in the gut is connected to the big brain by the vagus nerves, bundles of nerve fibers running from the GI tract to the head. All neurotransmitters, such as serotonin that are found in the brain are also present in the gut.

Dr Wood has discovered that this little-brain-in-the-gut has programs that are designed for our protection and which are very much like computer programs. They respond to perceived threats in the same way that the limbic system or the emotional brain does. So the threat of a gastrointestinal infection can activate the program that increases gut contractions in order to get rid of the infection. The symptoms are abdominal cramping and diarrhea.

Dr. Wood has determined that a type of cell found in the body and the gut, called the mast cell, is a key to understanding the connection of the big brain in the head with the little-brain-in-the-gut. Mast cells are involved in defense of the body. In response to certain threats or triggers, such as pollen or infection, mast cells release chemicals, such as histamine, that help to fight off the invader. Histamine is one of the chemicals that causes the symptoms of an allergy or a cold. When an infection of the gut occurs, such as food poisoning or gastroenteritis, the mast cells of the gut release histamine. The little-brain-in-the-gut interprets the mast cell signal of histamine release as a threat and calls up a protective program designed to remove the threat β€" at the expense of symptoms: abdominal pain and diarrhea.

The brain to mast cell connection has a direct clinical relevance for irritable bowel syndrome and other functional gastrointestinal syndromes. It implies a mechanism for linking allostasis and the good stress response to irritable states (e.g., abdominal pain and diarrhea) of the gut. Mast cells can be activated to release histamine in response to perceived psychological stress, whether the stressor or trigger is consciously perceived or not. So the end result is the same as if an infection activated the program in the-little-brain-in-the-gut: abdominal pain and diarrhea."


"Food allergies or food intolerances affect nearly everyone at some point. People often have an unpleasant reaction to something they ate and wonder if they have a food allergy. One out of three people either say that they have a food allergy or that they modify the family diet because a family member is suspected of having a food allergy. But only about three percent of children have clinically proven allergic reactions to foods. In adults, the prevalence of food allergy drops to about one percent of the total population."

This difference between the clinically proven prevalence of food allergy and the public perception of the problem is in part due to reactions called "food intolerances" rather than food allergies. A food allergy, or hypersensitivity, is an abnormal response to a food that is triggered by the immune system. The immune system is not responsible for the symptoms of a food intolerance, even though these symptoms can resemble those of a food allergy.

It is extremely important for people who have true food allergies to identify them and prevent allergic reactions to food because these reactions can cause devastating illness and, in some cases, be fatal.

http://www.fbhc.org/Patients/Modules/foodallergy.cfm

Enyzmes are invovled in a lot of food intolerences, like Lactose intolerence or frutose intolernces, Carbohydrate Intolerance and others.

""To my knowledge, there is no at home allergy test you can take."

I would not do this and get tested by an allergy expert.

You might want to get tested for celiac though possibly from a doctor.






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Re: shaneric/think I have an answere about the clam chowder recipe new
      #354417 - 01/11/10 02:44 PM

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yes I was diagnosed by a doctor.

yes I did have some cramps not bad or alot,strong urgency and had only digestive upsets. NOt actual D but more watery and mushy. But I think about 2 days ago it was like exploding on the toilet tons of gas and urgency,it was loud.

", become sensitized to the food molecule and respond to its presence by releasing a signal to the brain-in-the-gut (ENS) which is interpreted as a threat. The ENS responds by running a program which organizes secretion and motility into a behavior pattern of the bowel, which rapidly clears the threat from the lumen. Because to be effective secretion occurs in large volumes and the contractions that accomplish rapid propulsion are strong, running of the program has the side effects of diarrhea and cramping pain."

rapid propulsion? is that like the violent or lots of spasms I felt?


I do have some small hemmorieds where I can feel them with my finger. ALso I get like a cramp and a straining feeling at the same time can it be cause by the hemorid? I just got one in my right a little below the rib cage.

gotta run to work,talk later bye

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Re: soy milk questions new
      #354419 - 01/11/10 04:24 PM
Little Minnie

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There is probably another reason for the tired and crabby- but yes soy milk can increase gas. It is rather heavy and doesn't settle well in the gut for many. I handle it fine for cooking and baking but prefer rice milk for drinking and cereal. Lately even rice milk and cereal feels real heavy to me.
Soy products are something to start small with and increase gradually.

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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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      #354428 - 01/11/10 07:59 PM
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Re: For aperson... new
      #354431 - 01/11/10 08:48 PM

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I have said I have had blood work done several times, NO I have not had a colonocopy. I have had x rays and a barium enema and that is all. I never remember saying I never had bloodwork done. I never remember saying I did have a colonoscopy done,because I haven't and wouldn't say that I did. Ok IT is so awful everyday but I don't need to whine or complain to my parents before an attack and going in the bathroom and such is what I meant. THey don't need to hear "omg harldy went today" such stuff like that.

I don't change stories. Perhaps I said something unclear. I don't lie about the diet I admit when I fall off it. I can go a few days on it and then randomly give in.

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What fruits do you eat? - nt - new
      #354435 - 01/12/10 06:58 AM
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Re: What fruits do you eat? - nt - new
      #354436 - 01/12/10 07:41 AM

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strawberries,blackberries,blueberries,bananas,apples.

I get told my breath smells and I burp all the time at work and someone said it smells rotton. THe burping is unpleasant and annoying

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Re: What fruits do you eat? - nt - new
      #354437 - 01/12/10 07:49 AM
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Try not eating apples or anything with apples or pears or juice from these fruits in it for a few days and see if this helps at all.

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Re: What fruits do you eat? - nt -
      #354441 - 01/12/10 08:26 AM

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Well I haven't eaten an apple or pear in weeks or any juices.

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Re: What fruits do you eat? - nt -
      #354442 - 01/12/10 08:39 AM
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Have you eaten anything like snack bars with the juice from apples or pears?

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