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      #353702 - 01/01/10 11:54 AM
Little Minnie

Reged: 04/16/04
Posts: 4987
Loc: Minnesota

Gerikat I have sensed for months that you have a specific problem with me. I would like to know what it is. If it was when I told you what parts make up a whole grain then sorry, but I didn't know you knew. This forum has always maintained friendliness. Heather is the nicest person and has set a great tone here that would be good to keep.

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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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Re: "This food is unsafe for me!" new
      #353707 - 01/01/10 01:05 PM
shawneric

Reged: 01/30/03
Posts: 1738
Loc: Oregon

Food's are a trigger in IBS not the cause. That is important for people to know and understand.

Certain foods aggravate the underlying condition, sometimes just the act of eating itself which is in Heather's books as well.

Heather does an excellent job of providing dietary management guidelines and help. They might not fit perfectly to all people and all foods. There is no exact diet for IBS for every person to follow. Heather has helped a lot of people manage their diet and why certain foods can cause problems with people. This is a good thing for people. Its known in research that there is mild, moderate and severe IBS and different treatments depending on the serverity. Understanding why certain foods and stress reduction effect IBS and what you can do to help yourself has shown to really help people.

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From the Chairman of the rome committe to diagnose IBS and one of the worlds leading authorities on IBS.


Since I have suffered for thirty eight of IBS I wonder what role foods play in IBS. So I asked Dr Douglas Drossman at the UNC Center for Functional GI and Motility disorders and here was his response. This is not a substitute for seeking medical advise from your doctor on any specific conditions you may have, but for educational purposes only.

Dr. Drossman is a Co-director of the Center and Professor of Medicine and Psychiatry at UNC-CH. He established a program of research in functional gastrointestinal disorders at UNC more than 15 years ago and has published more than 250 books, articles, and abstracts relating to epidemiology, psychosocial and quality of life assessment, design of treatment trials, and outcomes research in gastrointestinal disorders.


Dr Drossman's comments on foods for IBS Health.

Shawn,
To say that people with IBS may get symptoms from food intolerances is an acceptable possibility, since the gut will over react to stressors of all types including food (high fat or large volumes of food in particular). Furthermore, there can be specific intolerances. So if you have a lactose intolerance for example, it can exacerbate, or even mimic IBS. Other examples of food substances causing diarrhea would be high consumers of caffeine or alcohol which can stimulate intestinal secretion or with the latter, pull water into the bowel (osmotic diarrhea). The same would be true for overdoing certain poorly absorbed sugars that can cause an osmotic type of diarrhea Sorbitol, found in sugarless gum and sugar substituted foods can also produce such an osmotic diarrhea. Even more naturally, people who consume a large amount of fruits, juices or other processed foods enriched with fructose, can get diarrhea because it is not as easily absorbed by the bowel and goes to the colon where it pulls in water. So if you have IBS, all of these food items would make it worse.

However, it is important to separate factors that worsen IBS (e.g., foods as above, stress, hormonal changes, etc.) from the cause or pathophysiology of IBS. Just like stress doesn't cause IBS, (though it can make it worse), foods must be understood as aggravating rather than etiological in nature.

The cause of IBS is yet to be determined. However, modern research understands IBS as a disorder of increased reactivity of the bowel, visceral hypersensitivity and dysfunction of the brain-gut axis. There are subgroups being defined as well, including post-infectious IBS which can lead to IBS symptoms. Other work using brain imaging shows that the pain regulation center of the brain (cingulate cortex) can be impaired, as well as good evidence for there being abnormalities in motility which can at least in part explain the diarrhea and constipation. So finding a specific "cause" of IBS has grown out of general interest in place of understanding physiological subgroups that may become amenable to more specific treatments. Hope that helps.
Doug

http://www.ibshealth.com/ibsfoods2.htm

Diet is important in IBS for a lot of reasons and they do vary between people. Some can eat things others cannot.

There is no exact diet for IBS, but again guidelines and reasons why certain foods cause symptoms, or even the act of eating itself can cause symptoms.

I do have to say, not here but elsewhere I have seen a lot of people develop food phobias from IBS and that is very important that it is explained an treated as well. Malnutrition can also be an issue.

To much empahsis on only foods or only stress or whatever maynot be a good thing, its a balancing act. Both need to be looked and adressed for the best possible outcomes.

Heather has done a great job with her dietary guidelines and her books to help IBSers understand this is a complex condition.




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      #353715 - 01/01/10 03:40 PM
Janey

Reged: 10/25/03
Posts: 1716
Loc: Maryland

I agree with everything that you are saying. When I first joined the boards the experience and teachings of the older members who were stable was invaluable to me and getting stable. These boards have functioned for years with the stable members helping the newbies learn how to use the EFI diet to become stable.

It is very sad to say but in the past year or so the boards have taken on a different tone. Those that are skeptical seem to be taking control of the boards and making those of us that believe in the diet feel as if we are wrong.

The friendliness and positive support has changed to people taking offense to comments made that don't agree with their opinion. Those that seem to be taking offense are the same people who have no trouble letting their opinions be known but don't want to hear any opposing opinion from others.

I really miss the sense of friendship that we used to have here. The IBS boards used to be a place where one could come for comfort, friendship and advice. The groups that have formed who have different ideas and seem to go against what Heather has worked so hard to provide, seem clickish and are very open about exluding members who do not feel the same way. Instead of coming to the boards for comfort it feels like high school. This is an open forum where anyone that is a member can comment on any topic. No one has the right to post a thread that excludes other members from commenting.

You are right that there are other issues that effect our IBS symptoms. We cannot pretend that food has nothing to do with IBS. I am like you and after being stable for months I can cheat and have an attack. The foods that cause my attacks are the same foods that I have been avoiding which allowed me to become stable. For me personally stress and anxiety are also triggers and food is on equal footing with both.

The bottom line is that this is a forum to discuss the IBS diet. If some have other views why not discuss the diet on these boards and find another board to discuss your different way of thinking or dealing with IBS that conflict with the EFI diet.

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Janey

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      #353808 - 01/02/10 04:37 PM
Little Minnie

Reged: 04/16/04
Posts: 4987
Loc: Minnesota

I agree. Do you think there is anything to be done?

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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!

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      #353835 - 01/03/10 11:32 AM
Janey

Reged: 10/25/03
Posts: 1716
Loc: Maryland

I am not sure what can be done. It it hard to make people act friendly towards each other. It seems that everyone is so sensative and takes so many things personal when it isn't. I think we all need to be kinder to each other and stop judging but I don't know how to make that happen.

All I know is that I really, really miss the support and kindness that we used to experience here.

Maybe the angry, judgement and argumentative posts need to be removed. I know that would be a big job though especially these days. Somehow it needs to be made clear that those types of posts are unacceptable. Not sure how though.

I know other message boards have rules that have to be followed. It has always been nice that these boards don't have strict rules but maybe it is time for certain rules for things that go against what the boards stand for.

I don't think Heather intended the boards to be a place to debate, argue or judge others. At least it wasn't like that when I joined 6 years ago.

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Janey

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