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5-HTP My miracle cure!
      #350536 - 10/02/09 09:31 PM
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Just wanted to share with those of you out there who have helped me alot through this message board.
Quick background - Gluten/wheat free for 4 years but still C, terrible bloating and cramps. Followed IBS diet with some success and colonoscopy was normal.
I also have fibromylagia which effects serotonin levels in the brain and apparently also your gut. Increasing the serotonin will help muscle soreness,sleep and digestion.
I have been taking a natural supplement called 5 HTP for about a month now with amazing results! This product increases serotonin in the body and my digestion has never been better. I'm eating normal "healthy" foods eg: wholegrain breads, cereals, all fruits and vegetables and wheat and am regular and bloat free!
I understand everybody is different but this has worked for me so wanted to share.



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Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? -nt- new
      #353022 - 12/05/09 08:02 AM
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Re: Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? -nt- new
      #353023 - 12/05/09 09:18 AM
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5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) is produced by the body from tryptophan an essential amino acid found in variety of food particularly red meat, dairy products, nuts, seeds, bananas, soybeans and soy products, tuna, shellfish, and turkey. It is a precusor to seritonin and generally speaking the body produces 5-HTP in abundance from tryptophan from the diet.

I have not seen any studies in the IBS research literature to support it use. I think there are some limited studies of its use for fibromyalgia. However, it is possible that might have some effects but it is unlikely to be a cure but rather an aid for managing symptoms.

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Re: Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? -nt- new
      #353025 - 12/05/09 10:01 AM
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I was interested attracted to this post as I've been researching 5-htp myself. Here is an excerpt from the website http://www.bioterrain.co.uk/IBS.html

5-HTP
Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that is metabolized by the body into 5-HTP (5-hydroxy-tryptophan) which is the direct metabolic precursor to the neurotransmitter serotonin. As a supplement 5-HTP is preferable to its amino acid because you then do not have to rely on the tryptophane - 5HTP conversion taking place. Vitamin B6 and Magnesium is necessary for the 5-HTP-serotonin conversion so IBS patients with low vitamin B/Mg levels must address that for 5-HTP to be effective. Colonic and rectal balloon distension studies have shown that IBS patients become aware of distension and perceive pain at lower pressures and volumes than healthy volunteers and subsequent findings indicate that IBS is also associated with increased sensitivity to normal intestinal conmtractions. Serotonin (5-HT) has emerged as a key chemical messenger in the pathogenesis of IBS [MD Gershon, " Review article: roles played by 5-hydroxytryptamine in the physiology of the bowel", Aliment Pharmacol Ther (1999), 13: pp. 15-30.] The gastrointestinal tract contains approximately 95% of the body's serotonin and colic mucosal serotonin metabolism has been reported to be altered in IBS patients. Serotonin mediates reflexes that control gut motility and secretion, as well as pain perception, predominantly through interactions with 5-HT1p , 5-HT3 and 5-HT4 receptors in the gastrointestinal tract. Conventional pharmacological management of IBS is often suboptimal, addressing only the most predominant symptom at any one time. According to a 2004 paper by Novartis, newer serotonergic agents that target the multiple symptoms of IBS represent a significant advance in the treatment of this disorder, and together with other measures, such as patient education, promise to improve IBS management. Here at the Integrated Medicine Practice we use the metabolic precursor 5-HTP to restore serotonin levels because this helps with pain reduction, mood enhancing including anxiety reduction. Furthermore 5-HTP helps you to go into a deeper sleep. We use 5-HTP from Nutri Ltd., a plant source precursor of seratonin which is an important neurotransmittor for brain and nerve function and is necessary to control mood, it also regulates sleep patterns. Adults may take up to a maximum of 2tbl 3x/day (600mg) - children 20mg/10kg body weight. (order from NUTRI 0800 212 742 / Ref: 187410) Pharmaceutical serotonergic agents do not come problem free. One systematic review of 5HT4 Receptor Agonists found that in women with constipation-predominant IBS, tegaserod maleate improved symptoms compared with placebo. It found insufficient evidence about the effects of tegaserod in men. Tegaserod was more likely to cause diarrhoea than placebo. One systematic review found that alosetron hydrochloride (a 5HT3 Receptor Antagonist) improved symptoms in women with diarrhoea-predominant IBS compared with placebo or mebeverine. As of November 2000, the FDA had received 70 reports of serious adverse effects of Lotronex (alosetron hydrochloride), including 49 cases of ischemic colitis and 21 cases of severe constipation resulting in severely obstructed or ruptured bowels. Of these 70 cases, 34 required hospitalization, 10 required surgery and 5 died. [JAMA, Editor's correspondence, Vol. 162 No.1, January14, 2002] Consequently Lotronex was 'voluntarily' withdrawn from the market, Dr. Richard S. Kent, Glaxo's chief medical officer and vice president estimated that ischemic colitis occurred in one of every 1,000 Lotronex patients and that "about half are managed as outpatients and half are hospitalized." Although pharmacological serotonergic agents do not come without issues, serotonin is undoubtedly a key player in the management of IBS. Using the direct precursor to serotonin allows the body to convert this precursor on an as-needed basis. Please note that interactions between 5-HTP and prescribed medication may/does occur with: sedating antihistamines, Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRI's e.g. Prozac), codeine/morphine, L-dopa, Monoamine oxidase inhibitors, tricyclic antidepressants, barbiturates and other tranquilisers, botanical and non-botanical ephedrine or pseudoephedrine medication (Ephedra sinica is a sympathomimetic that acts directly and indirectly on the sympathetic nerves ) and ingested alcohol . If you are in any doubt at all about you using 5-HTP you should consult a well-informed, non-prejudiced physician.


One concern I have is where it says that Magnesium (along with Vitamin B6) is necessary for the 5-HTP-serotonin conversion so IBS patients with low vitamin B/Mg levels must address that for 5-HTP to be effective. I personally try to avoid Magnesium as it is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases.

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Re: Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? -nt- new
      #353027 - 12/05/09 10:55 AM
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You might find the write-up on 5-HTP in the USCD complementary medicine database of interest. Notice they talk about a 'possible' positive effect for fibromyalgia but no mention of an effect on IBS. I find their information quite reliable and up to date.

In the write-up you posted I find the notion that taking 5-HTP as a supplement is better than getting tryptophan in a diet because of the conversion step. The body is extremely efficient at converting tryptophan to 5-HTP. I believe only normal physiological levels of vitamin B6 and magnesium are required as cofactors in the conversion process of 5-HTP to seritonin. Additional vitamin B6 and magnesium are probably not required for most people.


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Re: 5-HTP My miracle cure! new
      #353029 - 12/05/09 11:36 AM
Gerikat

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I have read about this before. I believe it was from a naturopathic doc. He recommended it for IBS. I may give it try. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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Re: Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? new
      #353035 - 12/05/09 12:54 PM
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I have IBS-D, so anything with extra magnesium in it exacerbates D symptoms for me. I take a liquid multi-vitamin daily and I personally avoid anything further orally that has added magnesium in it... like 'think Milk of Magnesia'! Who needs an added laxative when they've already got the 'runs' or a tendency towards that?

Magnesium might be helpful for those with IBS-C, though could also create a nightmare for those of us with IBS-D. Magnesium is a LAXATIVE.

I do enjoy a warm soak in the bathtub with Epsom Salts now and then (magnesium salts), though I don't react internally for having done so. This sure does soothe aches and pains, relax the body, and make the skin feel soft.

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Re: 5-HTP My miracle cure! new
      #353045 - 12/05/09 09:24 PM
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Although I've read that 5-HTP is often sold as an over-the-counter therapeutic supplement and usually sourced from the seeds of Griffonia simplicifolia. 5-HTP in supplement form is typically sold in 50 mg or 100 mg gelatin or vegetarian capsules, without having been out to look for it yet, where can/should I be able to find it?

On the lighter side, are any of you Sopranos fans? I was laughing to myself as I couldn't help but feel that we, after all having our say about the newest post which is usually about a new potential remedy, sound (although in written form) a lot like the episode were the FBI is sitting around debating over whether they were against or in favour of Chris and Adrianna's getting married.

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Re: Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? -nt- new
      #353046 - 12/05/09 09:50 PM
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I have D but this was recomended to me so i tried it for over a month. I was taking both Tryptophan as well as 5-HTP with negative results. It didn't make my symptoms better but didn't make them worse either. The only thing it did was make me sleep extremely sound and made me very relaxed during the day, which i guess could be positive for some.

My take is, if you have D and your body is supposedly producing too much seratonin then adding more is not a good thing.

Edited by Borrelli (12/05/09 09:53 PM)

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Re: Syl - What's your take on 5-HTP? new
      #353052 - 12/06/09 06:17 AM
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Generally speaking you don't need to take magnesium with 5-HTP and it usually doesn't contain extra magnesium.

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Syl... That's Interesting! new
      #353054 - 12/06/09 06:36 AM
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All of the 5-HTP products that I've looked at at our local pharmacy, Wal-Mart, and online supplement suppliers contain LARGE amounts of magnesium!

Hmmm... dunno what to say!

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Borrelli new
      #353055 - 12/06/09 06:47 AM
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Which is responsible for the sound sleep and daytime relaxation, the Tryptophan or the 5-HTP? In a way, that sounds positive to me.

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Re: 5-HTP My miracle cure! new
      #353056 - 12/06/09 07:13 AM
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I tried this also but for anxiety issues.My SIL uses it to manage her PMS and she swears by it but I never found it to work at all.deep breathing seemed to help me more.

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Re: Syl... That's Interesting! new
      #353057 - 12/06/09 07:43 AM
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Magnesium free 5-HTP is available here. Perhaps one of these magnesium free 5-HTP supplements at a local health food store

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What is a SIL? new
      #353058 - 12/06/09 10:13 AM
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I'm sorry, but I'm still getting used to many of the abbreviations used on this website. Please excuse my ignorance. What is a SIL?

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Re: What is a SIL? new
      #353059 - 12/06/09 11:23 AM
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Sister-in-law. There is an area on here that explains abbreviations.

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Re: Syl... That's Interesting! new
      #353060 - 12/06/09 03:52 PM
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I have IBS-D as well as FM.
Was told 5HTP may help with the FM sleep issues.
When I started to take it I thought it was adversely affecting the IBS But over time I think not. Perhaps just a bad spell for me? I tend to cycle a lot.
It has improved sleep overall....not to where I would like it or where I function at my best, but better than it was.

Just went and read my label and no magnesium.
It is NOW and is available in health food stores in Canada.

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Re: 5-HTP My miracle cure! new
      #353952 - 01/04/10 10:21 PM
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It's been a few months since I've been on this website and I have Heather and bubbles to thank for that! I haven't needed to visit because I've been feeling SO much better.

I started on Heather's diet about 6-8 months ago and immediately felt so much better. After taking my first dose of sf I felt like I had been given a new life. After following the diet for about a week I just kept feeling better every day. But I was still having constant pain in my lower abdomen. The doctor had checked this out and I underwent many tests only to find out it is from the ibs. While from what I gather here and what my gastro doc says this isn't normal, it also isn't abnormal.

After reading bubbles post I decided to try 5 HTP. I did days and days of research before I went to buy the supplement. I thought, what could it hurt if it doesn't work? And who doesn't need a mood enhancer? LOL

The positive effect it had on my ibs-d was obvious in less than 24 hours. From what I had read it would take much longer, up to 4 weeks, before I could tell a difference. I was so surprised to get the immediate relief I cried from happiness.

Now about 6 weeks later the constant pain in my belly is gone and I am much happier! The side effect of a feeling of well being is a BIG plus! I will never be a happy giggly person, that's not my personality, but I don't have the feeling of gloom and doom all the time now.

Thanks Heather, for the fantastic books and website! I feel human again! Your EFI diet is the best thing that has ever come from the internet for me!

Thanks Bubbles for the info on 5 HTP! The difference in me is amazing! I just wish this worked for everyone!

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      #354035 - 01/05/10 04:10 PM
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This "bump" came at a fortuitous time. I had been thinking of trying 5-HTP for insomnia. I used to take tryptophan back in the 80's (before it was taken off the market) and it was a like a miracle for me. It allieved my anxiety and insomnia, which in turn was beneficial for my IBS.

So, I may take the plunge and give it a shot.

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      #354146 - 01/06/10 08:53 PM
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Quote:

Which is responsible for the sound sleep and daytime relaxation, the Tryptophan or the 5-HTP? In a way, that sounds positive to me.




Both, since tryptophan is a precursor to 5-htp.

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5-htp - best for what IBS symptoms? new
      #354223 - 01/07/10 10:11 PM
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I didn't come on the forum tonight with 5-htp in mind, but like Vettech, I'm going to take advantage of the "bump" as I'm still on the fence about trying it. My first concern when I hear of something for the first time is to decipher what IBS symptoms it's best for. C to D are worlds apart but so many times a simple and all to ambiguous classification of IBS is used. So with this thread I looked at who felt it helped, who felt it didn't and who was undecided and what each of their symptoms were (if they indicated) and if you do the same, you will notice very mixed results not really giving me any clear indication. And I think it is Borelli who states that "if you have D and your body is supposedly producing too much seratonin then adding more is not a good thing." Do you have a source for this information?

With that said, I checked the protein that I take and see that it has Tryptophan in it - 459 mg per serving. I take this protein 3-4 times a week (not for IBS but part of an exercise program) and wonder how that fits in?

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      #354646 - 01/17/10 12:48 PM
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Bubbles, this is nice to here and maybe try. I don't reply much on y'all information, but I do try to read what's going. It hard for me because it my daughter that has what ever which we have been trying to find out for 5 years. She has down syndrome and it hard to really tell how the pain is effecting her. I know that the has been in pain for 5 year and everyday at that, it in the lower part of her stomach. I tried the IBS diet for a little over 2 year and it help some but she was still having the pain but not as bad. Than after a few more year they found out that she has Gluten intolerance, which we have been on the gluten free diet for 2-3 months and it also seem to help some, but she still having stomach pain and still how as bad, but it still there. And also I still have a lot to learn about gluten free items. I have been thing that maybe she might be both IBS and GF but haven't tried both diet together yet. When I read your input on the 5-HTP and the fact that you are or were gluten/wheat free it was very interesting to me and I want to find out more about 5-HTP before I give it to her since I don't like to give her anything before I check into it since it's her stomach and not mine and I'm not sure how she'll act to it. I'll usually pick a week or so we're we are both home so it any reactions accure. My question to you it were do you get your Natural supplement of 5-HTP. Also I might have her serotonin check also.
If you have anymore info for me please let me know. This sounds so good that when I and if I try it on her I hope it help with if anything the gloom and doom and the pain in her stomach so she can be happy again like she was 5 years or more ago. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOU INPUT
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Melatonin new
      #354656 - 01/18/10 05:18 AM
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Here is something you may wish to consider. There is no evidence in the IBS research that shows that a 5-HTP supplement can be benefit IBSers. There is some evidence that it may be helpful for fibromyalgia. However, there is a fair amount of evidence that shows melatonin produced in the gut from 5-HTP can help with pain and other IBS symptoms. Melatonin in the gut, unlikely melatonin in the brain which promotes sleep, is known to modulate gut motility and viseral sensation.

I have been taking 3 mg melatonin at bedtime for about 2 months with good results. For a few of decades I have not been able to find anything to manage my IBS pain. About 2 weeks after taking melatonin the pain has almost disappeared. After three weeks I quite taking melatonin expect now I only take melatonin for 2-3 days if I feel pain beginning to start. It seems to abort the pain nicely for me.

Here is a list of research abstracts in the NIH PubMed database on the use of melatonin and IBS that you may find some interesting.

Something I should mention is that I found many melatonin supplements contained non-medicinal ingredients that were not IBS friendly such as lactose monohydrate. I finally found a pure synthetic melatonin with no additives at a local health food store. Also, the standard dose of 3 mg at bedtime may be to large for a child. If you decide to give some to your daughter you may want to start with a lower dose - say 1 mg. Also, some manufacturers sell melatonin in a sublingual form - that is it dissolves under the tongue. You want the melatonin to get to the stomach where it can begin to act so make sure it is swallowed and not dissolved under the tongue.

If you do decide to give it a try please tell us how it goes.

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      #354664 - 01/18/10 12:03 PM
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I have been taking melatonin for a little over 3 years now. I started taking it as part of a course of treatment for bladder cancer (i have not had a recurrence). i have always taken a 5 mg tablet just before bed - first from puritan's pride and now trader joe's brand. i don't believe i have experienced the pain reduction which you describe. is there something i am missing? what brand do you use? should i cut back to 3 mg tablets?

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      #354665 - 01/18/10 12:16 PM
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The brand I use is called NOW. I am not sure it is available in the US. No don't cut back to 3 mg per day if 5 mg was fine for you.

As with all things IBS the melatonin might not work for your pain. It works great for mine.

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And ... new
      #354666 - 01/18/10 12:33 PM
Syl

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I tried melatonin about a year ago with no success. I used the sublingual version. It worked for a few days and then the improvement went away. Eventually, I figured out some of the additives were giving me problems. It took a while but later I found a product that contained pure synthetic melatonin in rice flour packaged in a gelatin capsule. I have been using it as I described in previous postings with reasonable success. Of course it will take more time to see if the effect are long lasting for me


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A source for melatonin options new
      #354965 - 01/28/10 10:13 AM
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I live in the US, though do think that Puritan's Pride ships worldwide, with perhaps a few exceptions. They offer many options for melantonin. I take the 3mg capsule about 30 minutes before bedtime and sleep well. I have found all of their products to be of high quality and with a long expiration date. No stale products here! Presently they are offering a two for one sale.

Here are the products that Puritan's Pride offers in the way of melatonin product options:

http://www.puritan.com/melatonin-542?left

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