confusion about how to eat fruit
#333269 - 07/26/08 01:33 PM
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Jordy
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Okay, the EFI diet says to eat fruit only after eating an SF source, right?
But I've also heard from multiple sources that you shouldn't eat fruit with any other foods....only alone. This is because the fruit with cause the SF to ferment and cause GI distress.
Any thoughts? I don't know what to think. 
Does anyone ever eat fruit (even IF fruit) alone?
I mean, sometimes when I wake up in the am I just want a nectorine. Period. Or some strawberries as a snack
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I have read and been wondering the same thing...
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The fruit does not stay in your stomach long enough to ferment. Besides the acidity of the stomach is too high to allow fermentation to takes place. It is just another crazy notion that is floating around
PS - It is natural for many things including fruit fiber and sugars to be fermented in the colon.
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Unclear on what you are saying. And it's not "new age" myths. I've been reading this for a while
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SF will ferment in the colon with or without fruit. SF will not ferment in the stomach under any conditions.
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I eat fruit alone, with skin. To me it makes no difference, when I eat it.
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Jordy never asked if fruit ferments in the stomach - she said she's read that it causes GI distress. The "crazy notion" that's floating around (and has been for decades) is not that it ferments in your stomach, but if you eat fruit following anything else , it will speed digestion up too much and you will have more gas and discomfort than you would from SF (or anything else) alone. Because fruit is digested faster than anything else.
Personally, I think that if your digestive system is strong and your body is producing sufficient digestive enzymes, you should have no problem combining different types of foods. But our systems are impaired, and it's possible we are not producing sufficient digestive enzymes (since these decrease with age anyway).
There may not be a huge body of evidence to back up the food combining theories, but our bodies are so different that what works for one of us will not necessarily work for everyone else. I do not believe there is one single dietary prescription for a whole population of people who vary in age, ethnicity, body chemistry, etc.
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I believe she said "this is because the fruit with cause the SF to ferment and cause GI distress". Fruit does not cause anything particularly SF to ferment which in turn cause GI distress whether it be in the stomach, small intestine or colon. While some sugars in fruit maybe digested fast other sugars and the fiber in fruit are not digested (actually fermented) until they reach the colon. The GI distress can be caused by the sugars in the fruit such as fructose being fermented in the colon.
As for the crazy notion about food combining you might read this message which gives a link to an explanation of why the theory of food combining is total bunk.
Digestive enzymes may decrease slightly with age but in a healthy individual the decrease is quite small. Except for medical disorders such as lactose intolerance our bodies are quite capable of producing all of the digestive enzymes they need for a life time.
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Well, I meant colon then. The point was, eating fruit with carbs causes more fermentation.
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Thank you for listening to what I actually wrote and offering your response! So, you don't think fruit with SF is worse for gas?
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I can eat a peeled peach just fine and some can pears. I don't try much else fruit with out sf. Hth
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Is peeled fruit like peaches and nectarines safe after there peeled? I know that strawberries and blueberries and blackeberrys are "if" no matter what. Thanks
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Oh gosh - I don't have to be right. I do try to answer the question that is asked. If the question is mis-worded or contains misleading information then it is possible that the response will be off target.
Good luck
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Quote:
Thank you for listening to what I actually wrote and offering your response! So, you don't think fruit with SF is worse for gas?
Jordy, I guess basically what I'm saying is I don't know. I'm not sure how I feel about the food combining theory myself, but I'm not saying that it won't help you. I used to put stock in first a dairy free diet, then a gluten and dairy free diet, then a high fiber diet, then the EFI diet and none of them worked for me, even though I'm sure they can work for other people. I guess my diet now is a little bit of this and a little bit of that and I'm slowly figuring out what works for my body. I would give food combining a fair shot. It may work, it may not. But ultimately you are the only one who can answer that.
I'm sorry I don't have a clear answer for you! I truly know how frustrating it is...
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I've read these posts and i've read the book on food combining.I don't know whether eating fruit on an empty stomach is a good idea but you can always try.I'm a little scared myself.I know certain fruits send me running on an empty stomach but some don't.
Everone is different but if you don't want to live in pain forever.give it a try.If it works than let us know and tell us what you did.EXACTLY!so we can all get better!lol
I have a recipe book and thought I might try food combining sometime but it really takes alot of effort to plan your meals when we are so used to just throwing something on the grill or stove.
Let me know if you try this approach.I'd really like to know from someone who isn't trying to sell me something.
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Ha ha - I think Jordy is a C'er. So being sent running to the bathroom might be a bit of a relief - at least I know it would for me!!
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I don't eat fruit with anything else.
The wonderful thing for me is that for like 15 years, fruit gave me the worst pain and bloating....but for some reason, I don't know exactly what, I can eat it now!
Believe me I am THRILLED. I still use Heather's fiber, and I really changed my diet this past year. So I think I've finally got the right kind of intestinal flora. I am still playing it safe, but I have gone from not being able to tolerate 2 bites of a banana to eating 2 bananas a day. For dinner, I eat a big fruit salad with frozen/thawed mangos, some strawberries, blackberries, and banana, with some rice milk and turbinado sugar.
I feel like I've got part of my life back. It is such a gift to be able to enjoy fruit.
Calli
Edited by Calli66 (07/27/08 09:38 PM)
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AMEN!! Sometimes I even pray for the excruciating cramping just so I can go POOP!!
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FancyMom
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I am IBS-C...so Fen, you are right! I added it to my signature!
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Callie
#333384 - 07/28/08 07:55 AM
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Jordy
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What types of fruit can you tolerate on an empty tummy, besides bananas? They don't increase your C?
Also, how much SF do you take? What's your new diet like? I'm so jealous,,,and happy for you!
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I eat my fruit with peel, though. I wonder if that matters.
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I definitely think the reason we are all sick is because of the chemicals they put into our foods.Not just that but think about the fertilizers and herbicides
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Quote:
I used to put stock in first a dairy free diet, then a gluten and dairy free diet, then a high fiber diet, then the EFI diet and none of them worked for me, even though I'm sure they can work for other people.
Me too....totally understand. It's so frustrating, isn't it? 
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It is completely frustrating. Like I said in another post, I went nuts yesterday and ate a bunch of stuff I haven't eaten in a long time - ice cream, bunches of black beans, and several ears of corn. I was quite gassy at bedtime (I think I was even offending the dog!) but man, I had the best poop of my life this morning. So it was worth it! I'm hoping my body can gradually get used to the extra fiber and adjust. I'm thinking of taking some Beano today. Any thoughts...? I've heard really good things about Renew Life's Gas Stop as well. I'm heading to the HFS, maybe I'll pick some of that up.
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Re: Callie
#333477 - 07/28/08 05:42 PM
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Calli66
Reged: 04/11/07
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Bananas don't seem to increase my C. I'm still taking a lot of stuff to help with that---Natural Calm and also a heaping teaspoon of tummy fiber at night (plus 2 tsp of another fiber, too). I haven't been eating as much rice lately, kind of eating the nightly fruit salad when I would have had rice and cooked veggies. So I think the extra moisture of the fruit is helping the C.
I'm not eating as much white rice this last couple of months--I think I was over doing it. In general, I've been cutting down on starches like that.
I've been getting frozen organic strawberries, blackberries, and mangos to eat with bananas, and I make it kind of a "soup" with rice milk. I haven't had the nerve to try oranges which were really bad for me in the past. I am not pushing my luck on this---I still haven't tried apples, peaches, plums, grapes, or anything else.
But I was SO happy this year to be able to eat a few of our apricots fresh from the tree--I hadn't touched one in years. I am eating some fresh figs from our garden, too, but I have to limit that to 2 a day.
I know I still have some digestive problems because I ate about one half cup of pinto beans in mid-June and it took me almost 3 weeks to recover from that! Bloating and pain!
Calli
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