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I need help with IBS-C input
      #307709 - 05/21/07 10:28 AM

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I have all of Heather's books and products. I have IBS-C and am so frustrated. Any input would be so appreciated.

It seems I can't go more than 4 days or so before I need Milk of Mag or those Fleet Suppositories. I follow the bland diet, but if I cheat in any small amount I'm miserable.

Ever since I was put on an antib. for what was so called a bacteria infection, which I believe now was just a really bad bout of IBS-C after eating choc. (he never really had a test that showed I had an infection, he went by symptoms and touching my stomach) I was put on the antib called Xifanan. I am now for almost a year left with what I call hard small balls. I haven't had a normal stool since. The researcher for this drug who claims it works miracles for IBS-D had no answer for IBS-C patients who go on it. I did report my symptoms to the manufacturer of the drug.

I'm also frustrated because every thing I read on IBS on this board and in Heather's books are mostly for IBS-D. I can't have the nuts and other things she suggests which sound wonderful, but turn me even more constipated.

What are the people with IBS-C doing, how do you eat? I'm down to only fish, chicken and ground turkey and cream of rice for breakfast, and I take Probotics for years now. I drink hot water in the morning because all the teas bother me, even the one I got from Heather (Fennel) that seems to give me more gas and makes me hyper. I'm so frustrated.

Now I seem to get nausea with the IBS-C flares which is new for me. The doctor says it's IBS. Ugh help anyone?

This isn't meant to cut Heather down in anyway. I think her books are so important and informative and her products, but they seem geared to IBS-D or at least it hasn't helped my IBS-C. When I was first told I had IBS it was the IBS-D so I know that horrible life style, but for some reason along the way I switched to just IBS-C. Input anyone and thanks so much!

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308251 - 05/31/07 01:30 PM
Lisa Marie

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I'm sorry no one has responded to your post!

For the C, start taking Natural Calm every night. You can buy it at some HFS, or order it online. It was my "miracle cure" for C!! No more MoM or Fleet!

Try adding some ground flax meal to your cream of rice for added fiber. I, too, can have trouble with nuts (they tend to give me gas), but flax meal doesn't bother me at all.

Are you using acacia? That will enable you to eat more IF, which will help you "go". I totally feel your pain - finding a balance with IBS-C is very difficult and takes a lot longer than for those with IBS-D. It's taken me almost a year to find my balance, but the journey's been well worth it.

Two foods that work great for me for adding in IF (besides the flax meal in my cream of rice): fruit smoothies (first thing I eat every day!) and bean dips/hummus. I eat hummus with guiltless gourmet tortilla chips several times a week as my afternoon snack.

There's also some great bread recipes in the index that incorporate some IF. My favorite right now is Shell's Pina Colada Zucchini bread!

Good luck, and hang in there!!


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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308261 - 05/31/07 01:55 PM
TeresaLouise

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Was reading your post and wanted to ask if hummus gives you gas much since made from beans/chickpeas?
And does the natural calm help with cramping at all?

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      #308263 - 05/31/07 02:01 PM
Lisa Marie

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I think that since the beans are so mashed up (I use a food processor) they don't bother me. I also make sure to take GasStop before I eat it!

Not sure if the NC would help with cramping, since I didn't have that problem. But if the cramping is due to C, then maybe!

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308306 - 06/01/07 04:58 AM
CMW

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Exactly what is Natural Calm, a fiber supplement or a laxative. I am taking Miralax and it is the only way I can go, my C is pretty severe. I'm worried about becoming dependent on the laxatives though, have read alot about that happening and suspect I may already be. Every time I try to back of it just a little though everything stops and the pain increases.

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308335 - 06/01/07 11:07 AM

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Thank you so much for answering me. I did feel like I was sort of left hanging but I chalked it up to it mostly being IBS-D people posting. SO glad you came along. So what exactly is Natural Calm? A tea?

I never thought of Flax meal, great idea. I tried the oil and got sick from it. How much do you put in of the Flax meal?

I swear everything I try I end up all clogged up and needing to use the Fleet or Milk of Mag so if I can get out of that and add more food yahoo.

No I haven't tried the Acacia yet. I bought it, but was afraid of trying a fiber when I was in another acute flare. I do have all of Heather's books and I'll go back and read how I start with it. Everyone seems to just really rely on it so it sounds promising, but with me I tend to have everything end up giving me triggers. So easy as I go.

BTW what is IF I see it a lot on here??

With your fruit smoothies what do you put in it? I'd like to try that. Hummus always gave me a stomach ache, but I haven't tried it in years so maybe now I can. The bread sounds yummy. Again thanks so much for being there.


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      #308338 - 06/01/07 11:15 AM

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If this helps, I was told by my Gastro doc you can take Fleet Liquid Glycerin Suppositories every day and not get addicted. I myself only use it when it gets bad. It's very gentle on IBS. Can you get Miralax over the counter?

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308339 - 06/01/07 11:17 AM

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Oh you make your own? Also what is Gas Stop. All the ones I use otc clog me up.

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      #308340 - 06/01/07 11:32 AM
Rio

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I am IBS-C, pain predominant, and I have found Heather's diet guidelines the best yet - and I have tried practically all the diets over the years! I say this to encourage you to perservere. I have followed the diet and taken Acacia since for 7 months now. I am by no means stable, but I am a lot better than I was last year. Everyone is individual, so I think it is a matter of getting the right balance of SF (soluble fibre) and IF (insoluble fibre) that works for you. This takes a lot of experimenting. Also, you need to find out which foods bother you (other than triggers). For example, I can't tolerate onions or tomatoes, but others have no problems with them.

I do fine with bean purees - probably because they are mashed up. I don't eat any raw food or salad, and I mash/puree fruits and veg and make soups and sauces.
I always make sure that I eat lots of SF before I eat any IF, as this helps with preventing painful spasms. Also, I eat small portions regularly - I think this helps with C as it keeps things moving through.

I know how frustrating it can be at times - but I find that my bad times don't last as long now, and I don't get the indigestion and nausea that I did before either. HTH.

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308481 - 06/03/07 07:36 PM
Lisa Marie

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Natural Calm is a magnesium citrate supplement. It's a powder, so you mix it with hot water and drink it like tea. It has a very sweet flavor. If you can't find it at your HFS, you can order it online. It's a lifesaver!

IF is insoluble fiber. I think there's a list of abbreviations at the beginning of this board somewhere...

I use one heaping tablespoon of ground flax meal every day in my cereal. It doesn't really taste like anything, but it's an easy way to add fiber! As for smoothies, I use berries (strawberries, raspberries, blueberries), rice milk, and banana. I also add a rice protein powder so I don't get hungry so quickly.

Hope that helps! Definitely give the acacia a try. It has really helped with my gas and bloating.

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308482 - 06/03/07 07:41 PM
Lisa Marie

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I definitely make my own! That way I can control all the ingredients - especially fat content. So far my faves are artichoke hummus and Spiced Sweet Roasted Red Pepper Hummus .

GasStop is similar to Beano, but has more of the active ingredient. It's more economical because I use less of it. The brand is "Renew Life".

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308483 - 06/03/07 07:45 PM
Gracie

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I don't find this diet bland. You can season your food to your liking. From the foods that you listed, you're not getting near enough IF in your diet for someone who is IBS-C. How long have you actually been on Heather's diet?


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      #308484 - 06/03/07 07:50 PM
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Miralax is only prescribed by doctors.

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308485 - 06/03/07 08:21 PM

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I'm not on Heather's Diet. I'm on the IBS diet my doctor gave me. When I looked at her diet and tested a few foods I got more clogged, but after reading your posted threads I see I'm not really adding enough to go. You have been so helpful. I can't thank you enough. If I can get on Heather's Diet I will be so grateful, it all sounded so good to me. I've been stuck with my bland diet from the doctor for years now. I agree with you completely that I'm not getting enough IF, that's my whole problem. Time to take out her books again and match it with some of your suggestions and see how I do. I did get Butter Lettuce today. Ever hear of it? I was told one time it's tolerated with people who have IBS.

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      #308486 - 06/03/07 08:27 PM

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Wow I never heard of Nature Calm. This is exciting because I do very well with magnesium. We have tons of health stores around here so I'll check it out and also get the flax meal. I've been really afraid to try the acacia because normally I do so poorly with fiber (lots of gas and I never go) and I'm on the go a lot so if I react I'm not home. I guess it being IF it isn't as strong as the other. I did read the directions on how to start really slow. Do you drink a lot of water? I try.

All this feels sort of daunting to try at once like I'll explode LOL, but I've made a copy of your post and will give it a go. Again thanks so much you are truly a life savor. I'm so glad I posted.

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      #308487 - 06/03/07 08:35 PM

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This is so encouraging, thanks for giving me hope again. The diet does seem to work so well for everyone, like you said with testing out what's best for ourselves. I bought the Acacia but I chickened out after reacting to the fennel tea. So now I'll give it a go. The only fruit I'm having now is bananas and unsweetened apple sauce. To have more and build up a more tasty diet would be wonderful. Thanks for the hints.

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      #308488 - 06/03/07 08:38 PM

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The artichoke hummus sounds yummy. I printed it out since I have the beans and artichoke. Thanks!

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      #308489 - 06/03/07 08:39 PM

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Do you get Gas Stop at a health food store?

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308510 - 06/04/07 10:21 AM
CMW

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They just put it on the market over the counter. I have found it at Brooks but beware it is a laxative and not a fiber supplement. I really don't want to be on it (I think my colon is already addicted to it) but right now it is the only way I can go. I am working on getting my acadia dose up but am taking it slow.

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      #308512 - 06/04/07 10:58 AM
TeresaLouise

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Could you tell me some of the ways you make soup and sauces with pureed fruits and vegies?

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      #308537 - 06/04/07 03:58 PM
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Start the acacia at 1/4 tsp instead of 1/2 teaspoon. For some 1/2 teaspoon is too much to start off with.


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      #308538 - 06/04/07 04:00 PM
Gracie

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Yes the Gas Stop should be in your HFS. If they don't carry Renewlife products, then you can always ask the manager to order it in, or check out other HFS.


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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308563 - 06/04/07 09:02 PM
Lisa Marie

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You're very welcome!! As I've mentioned before, it's taken me almost a year to get where I am, and I have everyone on this board (in addition to Heather) to thank for that!!

Just to be clear, acacia is a SOLUBLE fiber (SF) supplement. I, too, used to get really bad gas and bloating from other fiber supplements, but the acacia has worked wonders! As you increase the amount of acacia you use daily, you'll be able to decrease the amount of SF that you get from food, which will allow you to increase your IF without increasing calories. And yes, I drink TONS of water. It's really the only liquid I drink all day, other than rice milk. Good luck!! And I hope you find the Natural Calm. I tried to skip it last night, but discovered that I still need that 1 teaspoon every night in order to "go" first thing in the morning!!

Just curious: did you try the artichoke hummus yet?? Tomorrow I'll be finishing off a batch of the spiced sweet roasted red pepper hummus. And if you like things a little spicy, I find adding a dash of cayenne to the artichoke hummus is a perfect touch!!

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #308566 - 06/04/07 10:16 PM

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As you increase the amount of acacia you use daily, you'll be able to decrease the amount of SF that you get from food, which will allow you to increase your IF without increasing calories-------------

I'm a little confused by the above statement so let me see if I understand, k? As I increase the acacia, I can eventually not have to have SF in my diet as much. Can you give me an example of what in my diet would be SF that I would decrease? And then you said I can increase IF and not gain calories, what foods are those type? This is all so foreign to me. Bare with me because although I read Heather's books, it's hard to fully understand everything as a newbie. I plan on reading more on the board and then reference the book again so I have a better feel for all this.

Another question that stopped me from taking the acacia, what makes it not react like the other SF?

I'm sorry that you skipping last nights NC caused a little set back. It's great though to know you have something that does work. I do plan mid week to go to the health store and hope they have it. If not I'll order it on line.

I can't have spicey things for another ailment I have, but I will try the hummus I think after I get a little acacia going. I don't want a bad tummy ache so thought I'd start with the NC and acacia on the same day.

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      #308579 - 06/05/07 08:01 AM
Calli66

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Hi-I am new to all this, too.

My understanding is that the SF foods like white rice, pasta, bread, oatmeal, etc. are in the same category at the SF supplements and the acacia powder. But these foods, of course, have starch (carbohydrates) calories, while the acacia powder doesn't really have calories.

We need the SF to stabilize, fill, and calm down our poor irritated intestines. For C, though, we need IF to get things moving along. So increasing SF with acacia (instead of SF foods) allows us to eat more insoluble fiber (from whole grains, vegetables, fruits), without adding extra calories.

I think of the SF foods and the acacia as the BUFFER that allows us to eat regular fiber food without getting our bellies all upset and cranky.

The "IBS-C Pro's" here always stress the point about "finding a balance" between soluble and insoluble fiber foods and supplements---that's the main idea that I'm working on.

Another thing I find, is that it takes awhile for my body to adjust to dietary changes. What worked for me last week sometimes doesn't work this week. For example, I was increasing the acacia powder, and it was working--but then I started to get constipated and bloated again. I thought this was caused by too much acacia----but then realized it was a sign that I should increase my IF. I was a bit scared to increase, but tried it anyway---eating a cooked vegetable and salad at lunch, another cooked vegetable at dinner, and a bit of fruit here and there.

Hope this helps.

C66

PS About hummus---I have never been able to tolerate it because of the loads of garlic in it (I'm sensitive to garlic and onions). To me, this food is positively "dangerous."

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      #308876 - 06/10/07 09:30 PM
Lisa Marie

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Sorry I've been offline for awhile!!

I can try to explain by offering an example. Let's say I'm having veggie stir fry for dinner. As a newbie to the diet, I would eat mostly white rice and a small portion of veggies, with acacia mixed now. Now that I'm basically stable, I have exchanged most, if not all, of my white rice for brown. I have also increased the veggie portion and decreased the rice portion. Again, I mix in my acacia. As another example, when I eat veggie burgers, I have traded my white buns for whole wheat buns (or a "hybrid" bun: half white, half wheat, DH eats the other halves!).

Does that make sense? It's all about slowly changing the ratio of SF to IF as you are increase your acacia. I highly doubt you'll ever be able to ELIMINATE SF foods and rely solely on acacia, but you won't need as much with each meal.

Hope that helps!

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      #308878 - 06/10/07 10:01 PM
LittleFox

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Hi, I am so sorry you did not get a response right away. This is not the norm for this board BELIEVE me!!!!

I am IBS-A (more C related). I take one cooking tablespoon of Acacia 3 x per day. That is the majority of my IF. I have oatmeal or oatmeal squares for breakfast for soluble and insoluble fiber. Lunch consists of vegetables, grilled or baked chicken with white rice. The vegetables are cooked very well done ( sort of mushy). My tummy can tolerate them much better that way. Sometimes I even puree my vegatables for easier digestion. Dinner is usually a bowl of oatmeal along with a V-8 juice and Motts unsweetened applesauce or an eggbeater omelet with bacos and sourdough toast.

I have Heather's CD, but have not had a chance to use any of the recipes. I have a hectic schedule!! Snacks, lil soy dreamers, baked tostitos, baked cheetos and smoothies.

I hope some of this information helps you, it did wonders for me.

PS I also take a stool softener in the AM and PM as well as one Natrol Biobead (Prebiotic Acidophilus Complex) with my first meal of the day. This Prebiotic contains 1 billion live cells and is very healthy for the digestive tract.

Please let us know of your progress and good luck!!!

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      #308880 - 06/10/07 10:12 PM

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Thanks for responding. I know a while back when I used to post I got answers all the time, so did wonder what was up.:) Thanks for answering. I went out and got Natural Calm Mag. at the health food store so plan on trying that after my company next weekend. So you have your main protein meal in the afternoon and go lighter at night. I never thought of the bacos I used to eat them all the time in things. I live on the Motts unsweetened apple sauce.I even freeze it as a dessert on hot days. I got this Probotics called Bio-K with 30 billion which I will try again after company leaves next week. I would have gotten the liquid kind by same product, but the other things in it concerned me. I'll let you know how I do with all this and Acacia. I'm going to go very slow. Thanks so much!

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      #308881 - 06/10/07 10:16 PM

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I got the Natural Calm and Flax Seed Meal the other day. I also got the probotic Bio-K 30 billion vrs the liquid which had more, but the stuff they added to it concerned me. The pill form is just what it says without fillers. I'll let you know when I start all this how I do. I have company coming in next week so don't want to try anything until I'm free for reactions. I'll keep you posted and thanks so much for all your input! The natural calm sounds amazing.

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      #308882 - 06/10/07 10:18 PM

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Yes that does make sense and thanks for explaining it that way. I like the hybrid bun suggestion that can be applied to any type of food. This gives me hope. I'll let you know how I do! I'm going to start really slow.

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      #308935 - 06/12/07 11:19 AM
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Much of the info for IBS is about D since that seems to be more predominent than C. Those that I know personnaly who have IBS are D and I'm the odd one out with C. There are however, plenty of Cs around as I found out when I got on this website. I do use Miralax and have for a number of years now. It is non-addictive. I use the prescription version but they do have it as an OTC. I don't know if there is any difference between the two(strength, fillers and all). I've been able to use 1/2 a dose every other day and I use the acacia fiber too. Magnesium tablets do help out too. Just keep trying different things till you find what works for you.

I follow the diet with a twist since wheat is an issue for me. You don't have to eat bland at all. I cook for my family and it's not bland in any way. We love garlic and spices but I'm careful with the cayenne pepper since that will irritate me way too much. I like Zesty Blend mixes or the Tones mixes from Sam's.

I get the nausea sometime when I get a bad reaction. The body wants to get rid of what is bothering it, plain and simple. When I get an attack I do several things. I take a pamprin(I found by accident that it helps with the cramps immensly and my doc says use it if it works), then I drink a cup of hot peppermint tea mixed with Acacia and 1/2 dose of Miralax with a peppermint tablet. Next I heat a hot pack and then lay down with it on my gut(to ease the transverse colon cramps) and moving it to my back(where the descending colon is closer). This calms things down greatly. While the initial stool tends to be hard it gets pushed out by the softer stuff behind it inside a relaxed colon.

Just keep on trying. You'll find your own personal way of eating that will help you. I still react at times and can't figure out why but I do ok more and more often now a days.

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      #308961 - 06/12/07 07:35 PM
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Catnut, you mentioned Pamprin. I just saw a commercial for Midol that claims to reduce bloating unike other period-type meds. Any thoughts? I usually take two motrin which don't really seem to bother me too much since my system is already messed up during my period anyway. It helps so much with the cramps but I was wondering about the bloating.

Also, for cramps I use the Thermacare patches...for the intial poster...in case you needed another idea. They're wonderful.

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      #308998 - 06/13/07 10:58 AM
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I use Pamprin because I can't use meds with Ibuprfin in them. Midol would probably help too. They do have an antispasmodic in them as well as stuff for the pain and bloating. It works for me and I'd rather use that then Bentyl.

I've never used the patches but that would be a good idea for traveling too. Thanks

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      #309013 - 06/13/07 05:14 PM
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Thanks. Maybe I'll try Midol or Pamprin next month.

Sometimes the patches are on sale (3 in a pack for about $6). They are definitely great for on the go and for sleeping. I only need to use them the first day of my period when the cramps are the worst. Hope you like them.

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      #309027 - 06/13/07 11:10 PM
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Hi Lainey,

Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble managing your IBS symptoms, I honestly empathize with you. I doubt the position you find yourself in is a rare one. Personally, I find that dealing with my IBS seems to come in stages, and they don't always flow smoothly through one into another; sometimes I find myself moving backwards more often than forward. First of all, I want to point out that I've been rather slacking off; I try to commit to following certain steps/guidelines/rules whatever, and end up not following most. Also, forgive me if I get super detailed, but I think it's important to be candid and honest about this kind of thing as it benefits everyone. Basically, your first weapon is knowledge. I have IBS-C also, but it didn't start out that way. Over 7 years ago when I started having severe cramps, bloating, twisting abdominal pain, nausea, and urgency problems, I would spend weeks in a C misery, only to end up with D for a straight night. The pain was so bad once that my work called an ambulance for me. I haven't had much time (or maybe I haven't made time because I'm so scatter-brained w/the rest of my life) to log onto Heather's site and keep up with everything. I am still overwhelmed and frustrated by all of it, that I find it difficult to do what needs to be done. I have a very limited income, so can't afford the substitutions and other things that would probably help me. Probably a year ago, a wonderful lady sent me her IBS books that she no longer needed and those were a great help.

I have noticed, though, that in the past six months or more, my BMs have been a bit more frequent (1-3 times a week versus maybe once a month) and are either small and soft or larger size, but still fairly soft. Now that I really think about it (your post made me think about it), I haven't been constipated for more than 3-4 days at a time, and when I do have a BM, they are more comfortable than I used to have to deal with. I used to suffer from C for weeks or months at a time before my body literally forced a BM that was hard, large, and extremely painful. I still have infrequent cramping, but not as much of the twisting pain, and the bloating has been minimal when I have it (I look a few months' pregnant versus 9 months'), and the spasms are milder. No, I'm honestly not symptom-free, but seem to be suffering from them less often. I still haven't gotten over being angry over dealing with IBS-C though, nor do I truly feel completely comfortable w/telling ppl about it, b/c some ppl refuse to or just can't understand, or they pity me. My mom and one of my best friend's do their best to try to keep my IBS-C in their conscious mind when they are thinking up menus or places to eat out at. I think what you should try to do, Lainey, is to keep a food diary. Also, I have found that you don't have to eat bland food at all, just do your best to understand your tolerances - you'll find out better w/a food diary. For example, I have eaten a variety of recipes w/veggies and ground turkey, chicken breasts, fruit, etc. I've also been able to try snack and dessert foods that are safe for me and were quite good. There are several here in the IBS Recipe Exchange that I have made or make often that are tasty and safe, and that others in my family have enjoyed. Because of the money issue, I have not been able to fully commit myself to a completely revamped diet, but when I can, I am usually pleased by the results. When I don't follow the diet in some way, I consciously make that decision, but I try not to stress over it. For example, if I end up having to eat something w/dairy or whole eggs, I minimize the effect it might have in any way possible, but I don't stress about it. Stress is, as far as I can tell, the #1 most common trigger for IBS symptoms. So are anxiety and depression. I suffer from all of those. :/ A depressed, stressed, and anxious GI tract works poorly even if you don't have IBS. Let me see if I can clarify my ideas and tell you what *I* as an IBS-C sufferer have been doing/trying/using. Please keep in mind that my efforts are sometimes inconsistent (dumb money problems), but I can tell they are working for me.

Food Diary - Write down the time you wake up and how you feel before you do anything, if applicable note your BM too, then note what you eat (or if you didn't eat) for breakfast, try to note your eating and activities, mood, and actions, and the times thorughout the day, and how your body feels physically in accord with all of these, and be brutally honest w/yourself. Do this for the whole day, up until you go to bed. The longer you keep the diary, the more you can find patterns or things that help or hurt. This will help you pay attention to what and how you are eating, how you prepare it, what the food makes you feel like, and also how your mind and body react to all the daily things you do. Maybe you'll find that you need more sleep, or to drink more water, etc.

Find support (like Heather's site). Also, if your friends, family, and co-workers understand (and honestly it's on a need-to-know basis); you'll probably know who should know about your IBS. Sometimes, to help ppl understand better, I might compare my IBS dietary requirements to a food allergy, b/c more ppl understand food allergies and that has seemed to really help ppl take me seriously.

Once you know your tolerances a bit better, you can start taste-testing so to speak different substitutions or alternative foods and various recipes. My 2nd favorite site for recipes is Recipezaar (I have a few IBS recipes on there, too, as well as successfully subbed in other recipes. The site address is recipezaar.com. Lots of ppl from Heather's site post there, too.) I've found that unsweetened soy milk is the most economical for me to buy b/c I found a brand I like, it's not overly expensive, readily available in most regular supermarkets (not just HFS or natural food stores), and is the most versatile in most recipes both cooked or non-cooked. I can also add non-dairy chocolate syrup or vanilla extract to it to change it to my tastes or for the recipe. Eggbeaters is also another favorite of mine, and again for several of the same reasons as for the soy milk I buy. I can handle turkey bacon well (some can't). Soy yogurt is quite good, I've tried margarine/butter subs with good results, a mayo sub, soy cheese, rice cheese, and almond cheese all with good results. Ground turkey and boneless, skinless chicken breasts are my friends, I can tolerate oatmeal and also some whole grains, white rice... there's more, it's a long list!

Dang, I just realized how long this message got, so I'll cut it short for now, although there is much more detail I'm sure I could add. Well, first, let me tell you a few things I try to use (when I can afford them). Btw, I have no medical insurance, so OTC's are it for me; although I used to take Zelnorm, which was working, but apparently there's a new study out about it... I think my BF found a Zelnorm story several months ago on CNN.com.

Digestive Advantage for IBS - chewable tablets in a 30-day supply taken once daily, but I sometimes have to skip days to make them last, though taking them daily helps the most for me. This really does help (sometimes) prevent and even moderate my symptoms better.

Generic Gas-X - I take the softgels, maximum strength. Sometimes I take 2, sometimes I need to follow the directions and take a higher dose. They work very decently though, for me.

Drinking warm water or using a heat pad.

Generic extra-strength Lactaid - although ppl with IBS normally don't have the typical lactose-intolerance that Lactaid is made for, sometimes taking one before a meal I know I can't avoid that might have any amount of dairy in it seems to sometimes head off problems.

Again, I try to not stress and know that if I do eat something that might not agree with my GI tract, to not dwell on it too much, but just recognize what I'm doing (or not doing). I know it's hard and frustrating. Tons of luck to you, Lainey, and again so very sorry this got so long! Lol! IBS in whatever forms it takes seems very individualized with a handful of stuff that most have in common and the rest is just all over the place, so I know how tough it can be to find what works for you. Patience is difficult when you're in pain. *HUGS*

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      #309045 - 06/14/07 10:26 AM
catnut

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When you are able to, order the Acacia fiber. It will last you a long time. The cost of it will balance out as you may not need the other OTC's you are using as often. I've followed the same track with the Lactaid, gas-x etc all in the generic versions. Brach's star peppermints or Altoids are a cheap and a simple help. Bulk peppermint leaves are pretty cheap and the tea is great hot or cold. I love peppermint- good thing- now I need it more than ever. All of this is overwhelming. I'm helping a friend begin her journey with IBS. She was diagnosed only a week ago. It's a long road with no true direction but we all do the best we can.

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #309091 - 06/15/07 05:12 AM
Lisa Marie

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Unfortunately, I doubt you will see much of a difference from the Bio-K pills. A few people on here have tried them, and the company actually states that the "yogurt" is more effective than the pills. I wouldn't worry about what's in the Bio-K yogurt; just get the dairy-free kind and you should be fine! I'm also pretty sensitive to soy, but had no trouble with it at all.

Good luck! Let me know how it goes.

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Re: Sommer new
      #309141 - 06/15/07 03:30 PM
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Catnut, thank you so much for the nice reply. I actually have used Altoids and I carry them with me wherever I go just in case. Sometimes, at restaurants I'll ask for hot water (as if I'm ordering tea) and drop an Altoid in it. I have also just dropped my Altoid into water w/no ice which still works well. I'm also a huge fan of baths or body washes that have peppermint in them. I have some peppermint essential oil, too. There are many ways to use it, but many times when I ran out of tea, I put a drop or two in hot water. I also have a hot/cold pack that has mint in it that feels nice. I don't have a tea ball or tea strainer or teapot. so I don't use loose tea, but I have in the past. Peppermint is one of my faves and my GI tract thinks so too. So far I've been drinking two types by Traditional Medicinals; Eater's Digest and Peppermint. Both are really tasty and agreeable to my GI tract, and they are both available at the Fry's grocery store (Kroger's) I shop at most often, and reasonably priced in my opinion since the teas are more of a health and organic food and not just a typical tea. I have had both teas hot and cold and they taste great both ways. I also had in mind to try the Acacia Fiber as soon as I could afford it. For right now, I've been using Citrucel Clear mix which is probably the best OTC fiber supplement I've tried in a long time with safe ingredients. Of course, it does help if I remember to take it, lol! But when I do, I put it into smoothies. Anyhow, thanks again, Catnut for thinking of me. Take care all!

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #309146 - 06/15/07 04:25 PM
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Hi,
Snacks, lil soy dreamers, baked tostitos, baked cheetos and smoothies.






Lene! You can handle baked Cheetos?! I'm hit and miss w/most dairy, including cheese products. Ya know, the worst thing about having IBS is that all the foods my GI tract hates, my taste buds love! I have found some nice substitutions, but the reality is, I really miss the "real" stuff. I would love it if I could handle even 1 cheese-type product made w/real cheese! How do you do it?

I also found Lil Dreamers, they are cute! Perfect size ice cream sandwich, I think. Sometimes the Safeway I shop at (I shop online when I can afford it) puts up a couple of soy ice cream products in their online grocery catalog and I was able to try the Vanilla flavor ice cream sandwiches. Yummy! Not too rich, but not too bland and I thought the texture of the soy ice cream reminded me a bit of the vanilla ice milk I used to eat (back before IBS). Some random person (not on this site and not an IBS sufferer) mentioned to me last month or something that Cheese Nips were safe; they said something about the cheese was either not real cheese or was way down on the ingredient list; *shrug* I haven't looked at a box of Cheese Nipz in a long time, too tempting! Anyone know of anything like this? One day I'll be brave enough to grab a box and read it, lol. So, Lene, how do you eat baked Cheetos? The baked part I can handle b/c of the lower fat, but I'm curious about the Cheetos part... Thanks!

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #309148 - 06/15/07 04:47 PM
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I know you weren't asking me, and my answers are quite belated, but oh well. Hope I can give you some ideas, anyway.

IF - insoluable fiber (just like SF is soluable fiber). IF is also called "roughage" and it keeps the GI tract in tip-top shape, but if you have IBS IF is a bit trickier. You have to use methods that jump-start the breakdown of the fiber before it gets to your gut so you still get the benefits of it w/less of the pain. The very first doc that told me I had IBS was just a regular family doc that didn't know me well, and whom I didn't know well. When he told me I needed more fiber, he didn't know that I needed to modify the way I ate fiber. Eating more fiber actually hurt me more b/c he didn't realize I needed to prepare it differently. That's why we're supposed to eat IF w/a SF base; example well-cooked veggies over white rice. Heather's books go into way more detail about IF and SF.

Smoothies, I love smoothies. I drink em whenever I get the hankering for one. They are especially nice now that the heat is on. :P My favorite blends include unsweetened frozen mixed berries (such as strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries), a container of Silk brand Live! soy yogurt either plain or strawberry, blueberry, raspberry, or peach flavor; Silk brand unsweetened soy milk, a chunked up ripe banana, a bit of honey to sweeten, and a scoop of Citrucel Clear mix. I also like a mix of the frozen mixed berries along w/pineapple chunks and some of the juice, and some Hershey's chocolate syrup (dairy-free), the unsweetened soy milk, and a bit of vanilla extract. Also fruit juice and frozen mixed berries with some honey makes for more of a slushy. Make sure the juice is tolerable to you. Cranberry or orange are my faves. But sometimes I can handle other flavors too. I haven't yet learned to hate when I can't always tolerate, lol! Regardless of how I make my smoothies, I always try to remember the Citrucel Clear Mix, it blends in well and doesn't affect the taste or texture. I've also blended just unsweetened soy milk w/frozen mixed berries and a bit of vanilla extract or unsweetened soy milk, vanilla extract, and some chunked up banana for a flavored milk that tastes good out of a glass or poured over cereal. HTH

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      #309150 - 06/15/07 05:00 PM
catnut

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I've never thought of putting an Altoid in water when I needed something desperatly. That's a good trick to remember. I do ask for hot water at restaurants that don't serve herbal teas and I always carry a couple of my own tea bags. The server thinks your odd asking for hot water till they see you put a tea bag in it but it works for me. Also, I make the peppermint tea in a big pot, boil the water add the tea leaves and let them sit till it's cool. Then I use a regular strainer to strain them into a pitcher. I put it in the fridge and I have tea at a moments notice. It's been wonderful for late night issues when the crop up and I need something fast. Just microwave and drink. It beats having to make tea at 2AM. :-) It's also a lot cheaper than tea bags.

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      #309157 - 06/15/07 05:16 PM
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Oooh, that's a great idea Catnut. I could certainly brew up some loose tea leaves in a pot on the stove and then strain them in a regular strainer. Thanks, don't know why I didn't think of that. *grin* And yeah, I know sometimes the server looks at ya funny but it's a very reasonable request so I stopped feeling bad about asking for just hot water. I honestly don't trust my stomach to try the teas that restaurants usually serve, so using the Altoids is a really simple solution for me. The one thing that does make me feel odd is asking the server to bring my salad after the meal instead of before the main meal; ok I admit I haven't actually asked yet! I'm still working up the nerve to be a non-conformist, lol! Although I think in some cultures eating the salad after the meal is normal. For ppl w/IBS it's really the better way to go since the veggies are easier eaten w/a base of SF. Some restaurants I go to serve sourdough bread and so I try to eat that before I dig into salad. Perhaps on my next excursion to a restaurant, I'll make a compromise and ask for my salad to be served w/my meal. Hehe. Good luck w/the Altoids in water.

My hope is that my first purchase from Heather's site can include some loose tea and the Acacia, but it'll be a long while yet before I can afford that.

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      #309162 - 06/15/07 06:24 PM
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Miralax is only prescribed by doctors.




I've seen an OTC Miralax, but to be honest, I didn't look at it that hard, so I don't know anything about the OTC version.

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #309246 - 06/17/07 05:23 PM
LittleFox

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Loc: California

Yes I can eat "baked cheetos." It is not a trigger for me now. In the beginning, of course, I was very careful about what I ate; the consequents could be unbearable or send you back to "what to eat when you can't eat anything."

The Lil Soy Dreamers are still a mystery to me. I can eat them with no problem, yet soy yogurt, soy milk and anything else with soy throws me intensely in to"C."

Remember, it took me over a year to become able to eat baked cheetos so take your time and it will all come to pass.

Good Luck!!!

Lene

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Re: I need help with IBS-C input new
      #309248 - 06/17/07 05:33 PM
ElenaDragon

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Miralax used to be prescription only. The OTC version is new, but you can buy it OTC now.

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