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Dairy is a trigger. Don't drink it. If you know you can handle it, silently count yourself lucky and don't encourage others to try it or that it isn't a trigger. We're all different. Just because milk doesn't cause problems for one, doesn't mean it won't send someone else sprinting to the bathroom or doubled over in pain from C. I've tried the FF/lactose free milks and they never helped me a bit.
That being said, I'm not going to engage in any debates over milk or other dairy products. Just my two cents here. 
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I totally agree!
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Flipada,
Thank you for this post. It has really helped me just at the right time because I had almost decided to try skimmed milk because I was so confused by the different messages I was hearing. I will keep on with the rice milk, and I may try to introduce soy again in small quantities aswell.
I've come this far, I'm determined not to give up now!
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Thank you!
#301053 - 03/01/07 03:53 AM
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Thanks, Syl!
Edited by Jeio (03/01/07 04:36 AM)
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I'm IBS-C. You're asking a good question. It could b e that milk keeps things moving, and would cause D for D-ers? I don't know... I know IF you are lactose intolerant, it causes gas and D...
Rice milk is prescribed as a constipating agent in Eastern Europe (at least what I know about it). YOu can offset its action by eating more IF and stuff, though. Like anything else. It won't cause cramping, but the C will, but if you can eat so that you con't get C, you won't cramp. In that sense it's not unsafe, because it doesn't directly cause pain (like fat does). If I was stabilizing though, and not using a gentle laxative, I would stay away from rice milk. I was super religeous about the diet initially, I thought they had it all figured out, and so I drank some rice milk. I was very C... when I stopped drinking it I noticed a big improvement in my C... probably had too much rice milk? I had like 2-3 cups a day... and used it for baking... so, might be a little too much.
Plus, don't forget our bodies are different. Maybe we eastern Europeans have something that causes us to be constipated by things like rice milk, LOL. Seriously, though, they gave me that when I was a little kid with D (when I was sick with something) and it worked much better than when they gave me carbon. It tasted pretty gross, though, LOL
Are you taking a laxative, btw? Natural Calm or something similar?
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I am sorry, I can't figure out if that was an answer to one of my posts...
I don't want to ENCOURAGE people to drink milk. I just feel that on this board people are going a little too far in their dairy avoidance advocacy. I've said multiple times, that avoiding dairy has a price. Some people can't buy their medicines because they're buying expensive dairy alternatives. I'd rather take the INFORMATION, than be told "don't drink this or that" just as a rigid rule. Then I can decide for myself what I will do and I will carry my responsibilities as to my health.
THat's my reason for engaging into this discussion.
I understand we are different. I have some strange reactions to things I am NOT allergic to. We are just hyper sensitive to all kinds of things and I think the doctors can't measure sensitivities that precisely yet. That's probably one reason why they dismiss so many IBS patients' complaints and say "nothing's wrong" and "you'll learn to live with this" as if living with so much pain can be labeled normal and "livable with".
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If you want to really stabilize, follow the EFI diet to a tee.
There is just no more important thing. The EFI diet leads to my stabilization. I can't and won't try it all over again with milk... it's not worth my time, effort and the costs associated with it...
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I often feel like no matter what anyone says, there's someone who can pull stats from the internet to prove otherwise.
The way statistics are used nowadays is terrible. I have seen studies where they MANIPULATE the data in such an obciously bad way to get the "preferred" results... Overfitting is the rule now, too. That's why when I read articles, especially medical ones, I try to dig out people who replicated the results. Usually the results can't be replicated. It's ridiculous. And I don't think it's the statistics, it's sometimes how they designed the experiment, how they computed the statistics, how they interpret them...
Anyway, that's my field so I can go about it a long time... My point is, you are so right... I feel tempted to just say everyone is different and nothing can be generalized, so that at least peaple won't be misslead. That's not true either, though.
It's confusing, so we do our best, collect as much imformation as we can and make an informed decision. As best we can... that might not be a very good decision, but it's the best we could do.
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Jennifer, there's also almond milk. Did you try that?
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I'm not taking anything like Natural calm b/c I am really a D. It seems wo weird to be C/A now. I have to rethink everything. Although I'm SUPER happy that I don't have d anymore...just a different discomfort and stuff to figure out now.
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Sorry all. That's why I asked not to chop my head off when I first posted about the milk thing. I didn't want it to become a controversy. I completely agree and like I said, totally understand that dairy is supposed to be a trigger, yet it seems we all have IBS to varying degrees and I was just hoping that maybe I could tolerate it once in a while now that I am stable. I just wanted to know how many other people were stable and doing okay with it. I have been very diligent with the diet up until now and I completely agree and recommend the necessity to everyone starting out to be strict so you can get stable. I'm sorry for misleading anyone with my question but I thank all of you who gave me your input so I can weigh what's right for me. I do notice that many people who are still complaining of problems say that they have dairy once in a while and I do suggest that they rethink that decision. 
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