It may be a one time episode
#293011 - 12/09/06 05:44 AM
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Joannelcoq
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Ok, last night, I ate my usual bread and took my probiotic before starting dinner. For dinner, I ate clam sauce and pasta which is clams a little parsely, garlic, clam juice, red pepper flakes and a speck of olive oil with spaghetti. I then ate some broiled salmon, with dill. About 45min. later, I felt a little cramping and walked to the bathroom. It started ok and I was relieved. It did not seem complete so I sat there reading heathers book. Then it exploded out. My stomach felt a little sore for the rest of the night and I sipped a cup of fennel mint tea. No episodes since and slept just fine. Any thoughts? There hasnt been any dairy or red meat in my diet for 2 weeks. But for breakfast 2 days ago, I ate one honey wheat slice of toast which you guy told me was not good too late. Two days ago? doubt thats it.
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Salmon
#293013 - 12/09/06 06:26 AM
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Syl
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While some people consider all fish safe I have trouble with some species of salmon. Some species and farmed salmon have a higher fat content than others. The USDA database gives the following fat values for salmom
Farmed Atlantic salmon 11% fat
Wild Atlantic salmon 6% fat
Chum 4%
Farmed Coho 8%
Wild Coho 6%
Pink 4%
Sockeye 8%
If I have no problems with pink and chum but other types of salmon give me D.
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It was wild atlantic salmon and only 4 oz. Wow, it bothers you? You know us IBS-D'ers are suppose to incorporate omega-3 oils in our diet. I spoke to a dietician yesterday. He also showed me websites and books that say the same.
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Re: Salmon
#293021 - 12/09/06 07:53 AM
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Syl
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Indeed omega-3 oils are important and they are available from a variety of source including low fat salmon, tuna, shellfish, nuts, seeds and some vegetable oils. For example, I eat smoked oysters. They contain omega-3 but I drain all of the oil they are package in and sprinkle them with lemon to remove more oil. However, I stay away from oysters packaged in soybean or cottonseed oil.
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It is possible that your tummy had not quite calmed down yet from the wheat bread, thus making it more sensitive to the fat. Was there anything else besides dill on the salmon?
Also, keep in mind that there are factors at work other than food. Are you stressed? What about hormones? Did you get enough sleep the night before? Coming down with a cold? These are all things that can have a surprisingly large effect.
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I second what kenjari says. Stress, hormones and tiredness are major IBS triggers for me. But now I'm following the EFI diet and taking Acacia, the attacks from those external triggers don't last as long as they used to, nor are they as severe. When I have an attack not related to food, I take care to eat really safely, nearly all SF until I feel better.
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Well, If your stressed, when do you think IBS kicks in? During or after the stress has passed. The one slice of whole wheat toast was 2 mornings prior to my episode. Before I started following the EFI diet, I used to eat bran and whole wheat toast all the time not knowing if it was a trigger. But because it is hard to pinpoint it even with keeping a food diary, I have been trying to be careful...real careful.
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Have you ever tried doing the Break the Cycle diet? This is how I became stable. I started with the BTC diet, and slowly added in foods one at a time. It's much easier to tell then what affects you and what is safe. There's no way we can guess what foods are causing you problems (other than the main triggers such as red meat and dairy). I would suggest doing the BTC diet and slowly adding in foods, it's the only way that I became stable and figured out how much IF and fat I could handle. I had followed Heather's diet somewhat closely before it but didn't notice very much improvement until I did the BTC.
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Quote:
Well, If your stressed, when do you think IBS kicks in? During or after the stress has passed.
This varies widely depending on the source, intensity, duration, etc of the stress. For me, it usually takes at least two days of constant but moderate to high stress before the trouble starts. One day or less if it's short-duration but extremely intense stress. The point being that the wheat toast may have had little or nothing to do with your attack if there were any significant non-food triggers present.
For example, back in August I had an attack despite having been doing well on the diet for well over a month, and despite having not cheated. The trigger? Getting my period at the height of a major heat/humidity wave. I could have been eating nothing but white rice all week, and I would have still had that attack. However, that doesn't mean that the diet is useless because things like that can still happen. I am 100% positive that the attack would have been at least twice as bad (like what I experienced when I first got IBS) if I had not been following the diet, taking SFS, probiotics, etc. And the longer I'm on the diet and supplements, the less severe my attacks become, whether they are triggered by food or something else.
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Re: Salmon
#293109 - 12/10/06 04:50 PM
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Toady
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I find I cannot tolerate most fish - especially salmon. It is just an automatic attack. I can eat shellfish however.
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i learned awjhile ago to not blame everything on food, as it limits what you eat big time, just chalk it up to a flucke and try and move forward.
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I will have to try the BTC diet again but after Christmas. I have done it in the past doing the BRAT diet...you know bananas,rice,unsweetened applesauce and toast but I could not pinpoint the trigger. Thats the problem I am having. I am getting depressed as all our friends are getting together to going out to dinner and parties. I cant get involved or take a chance. I tell my husband to go without me but he wont. I would normally take a chance, but after a D accident last year while I was working makes me question my muscle control. 
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the red pepper flakes. I know that does it to me.
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Could have been the clams, too. IBS is such a pain. It's so hard to find answers and so scary to eat until you know what you're body can tolerate. I'm a vegetarian now, but I used to eat a lot of seafood and some shellfish just didn't sit right with me, though most of it was just fine. Have you tried keeping a food journal to keep track of what you eat and when you have attacks?
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It sounds like your meal was higher in fat than you could handle. I once had D the next day after a salmon meal that somehow, without trying, ending up containing more fat percentage than I could handle at the time. It is amazing how little fat 30% is. It is hard to get a handle on it at first and sometimes I still screw up. Like one time I had my usual peanut chicken noodles but then I had soy ice cream right after and it was too much fat and I got D. One other time I made dinner and put just a little oil in this and that but it was more than I was used to and it ended up by the end of the meal everything had oil and fat in it. It sort of took me by surprise- and I got D. So you will just have to start watching how much percentage of fat is in your meal and play it safe.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I have a company dinner out at a restaurant next friday.. the menu options are new york steak, prime rib, teriyaki chicken, or halibut. when i go out to dinner i usually just go with salmon, but.. never had halibut..
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It's fine for me. How about buying some this weekend and try it out?
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Halibut
#293403 - 12/13/06 05:11 AM
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Syl
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The USDA lists Atlantic and Pacific halibut as having about 2% fat and Greenland halibut as having 14% fat. For me the former would be safe the later won't be safe.
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