Please help me find the problem food...if it is food
#262932 - 05/11/06 07:07 PM
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I've been really, really scared of eating any sort of new foods. I usually eat the same things for breakfast and lunch everyday. I told myself I need to try and expand my diet...so I've been adding more foods. Unfortunately, this has been the most painful week of my life!  And the BMs are all screwed up......incomplete, painful BMs all day. Messy and yucky. 
This is what I've tried so far: sushi (with avocado and raw cucumber (unpeeled seedless...not that much), ground walnuts in my baked appplesauce bread (less than 1/4 cup in the whole loaf of 16 pieces), blueberry smoothies (with a little rice dream which contains a tiny amount of gluten which I don't usually eat, banana and mango added), Trader Joes Blue Corn Chips, dried apricots one day...the pain is still going on a week later so I doubt it's totally the apricots. I also eat GF chocolate brownies which contain chocolate chunks...but people on the boards thought the ingredients were safe...and I have been eating these for a few months now without this severe pain.
Any ideas? Is it any of the above? All of the above? Not the food at all? A combination of anything?
I was so proud about facing the fear and trying to eat more foods...and my reward is the worst pain ever. I'm more afraid than ever to experiment or continue to eat any of these foods.
Is it all in my head...or the food? Or the ginger tea?
Please help, guys! What should I do with my diet? Sidenote (I've also tried to reduce my triphala a bit too...so is that could be something to consider as well).
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I'm scared of food too!! But I do have to say, if I were to add in foods, it wouldn't be avocados (sushi is also fatty, depending on what you get... it tends to make me very bloated if i eat too much, although its been a few months since i've had any) or walnuts. Bananas and mangos should be ok. Is your blueberry smoothie just blueberry or does it have other things? I usually make smoothies with bananas and strawberries, some tofu (protein, yum), and oj and it sits ok with my tummy.
hope this helps a little bit.
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Hi Beth,
It may just be a case of too much too soon if you know what I mean. Maybe just trying to incorporate one new food each week. What if you try eating your safe foods and then incorporate one new food and see how that goes for the week. Then if it is ok the next week you can continue eating your safe foods and try another one and see what happens. I think that is the easiest way to tell what's affecting you food wise. I don't have IBS but I do have UC and although I'm stable on meds I still have foods that don't agree with me. I can't comment on the tea b/c I've never tried ginger tea but I herbal tea doesn't agree with me.
Hope this helps.
Jenn
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if you introduce several things at once there is no way you are going to know what may be causing issues.
Dried apricots cause me terrible gas issues...I don't eat them even though I am stable.
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I think what the others are saying could be true. Too much too soon. I like Jen's idea of one new food a week. You'll probably have to try it several times to see if it is REALLY a no-no for you. I find when I first introduce something, that isn't necessarily the same reaction I'll have eating it again. Sorta like your tummy gets used to something.
Build your confidence. Try the new food of the week in very small quantities after a stable SF. Then each time increase the amount, if you can, depending on your body's reaction. If it didn't go great, try the same amount again, or less. Play with it. Take your time. You have all the time in the world.
Again - I am so proud, sweetie! I know how hard it is to try new things, especially when terrible pain may be the result. Just think of it as an OCD exposure response. Start small, and work away slowly. Build your confidence as you go.
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isn't fattening at all...just rice, seaweed, avocado (about 1/8, and some cucumber).  And I thought the nuts would be okay since it was only 1/4 cup spread out over 16 pieces with applesauce/rice flour base.
My blueberry smoothie was, indeed, combined with some mango and banana (both are SF).
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And after a week, should I remove the new food completely while adding in another?
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If it didn't go great, try the same amount again, or less.
So, don't decrease the food even if I had bad pains that night? Is it okay to have the "new food" everyday? I ate sushi 3 days in a row. I have the blueberry smoothie every other day. And I ate the bread with tiny amounts of nuts every night for a snack. It was after I was already in pain...so is that still suspect?
Do you see any food I am eating that is a red flag to try last, or not at all?
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Hmmm, I only had the dry fruit one day (5 dried apricots) and the pain was bad for the entire week.
I hate this stupid guessing game. I'm just really tired of it all. I'm tired of fighting and guessing and being afraid of foods and then getting even more problems when I do venture out. But right now, my body is very malnourished from lack of variety I need. Plus, I know it's important to rotate foods so you don't become intolerant of the ones you can eat with less painful consequences.
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I know I couldn't tolerate that much fruit, even if its soluble or not. Maybe you need to add some more "carb" type things, like bakes potato, pasta and more rice. As I mentioned before, too much IF makes my poo's messy and makes me a very stinky, gassy girl!
I think adding one food a week is a great idea. If you aren't any worse for wear, sort to speak, than keep the food and add try adding another one the following week.
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I'm afraid the potatoes, rice, etc would just increase the C more.
Don't you drink smoothies and such?
I don't get how IF can make you more "messy". This stupid IBS is so dang confusing, isn't it?
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As we know, IBS is different for everyone. I say that IF makes more "mess" because I notice if I eat salad or more than a piece or two of fruit in a day, clean up after bm is more difficult. Its true, too much SF will make you more C. I think thats the hardest part for me, is finding just the right balance.
I haven't been doing too many smoothies but now that summer is here, I'd like to incorporate them more into my diet.
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Isn't it hard to try new foods? As an IBS'er, I know so. Congratulations, Beth.
Sometimes, I notice, that after re-introducing a food or trying a new food or combination of foods it takes a few times until my body "knows" how to handle it. For example, if I haven't been eating any fruit for awhile and then have an all fruit smoothie, it will literally go thru me at hyper-speed. If I haven't had sushi in a few months and then eat it, I will react/respond. It took a few times of regularily eating carrots before I wouldn't see orange in my bm's, for example.
I know, it's not that cut and dry, not that plain and simple. It does take guts to test new foods/combo's, etc. Just know that it doesn't always work the first few times.
Kate, IBS-D.
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I agree...too much too soon. Don't give up Beth you're doing great to try new things.
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I had an appointment with a Health Psychologist who specializes in GI problems. In fact, she works in the same office as my GI.
Anyhow, I had an appointment with her on Thursday, and as soon as I walked you she commented "you're in a lot of pain today, aren't you"?
She suggested that it may take my body a while to get used to digesting new foods....just like you said!
So, do I back off on the new foods or do I plow ahead and eat them until my body gets used to them? But then, how do I know if they are trigger foods or just my body needing to learn how to digest them?
Thanks so much!
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...could you give me an opinion on how to start out? What food should I keep to start out with? Is one easier than the other to start with? Or, doesn't it really matter?
I'm losing weight again and I know I'm probably robbing my body of much needed nutrients by being so restrictive.
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Beth -
I think that's great that you're seeing a GI pyschologist. She seems very perceptive, which is what you need. I don't think anything one your list is a trigger food and it seems to me that you prepared everything safely. So it sounds like your body just isn't used to these foods, which makes sense considering how restrictive your diet may have been in the past. The only foods I completely stay away from are those listed on Heather's trigger foods list (the STOP! AVOID OR EAT WITH CAUTION ONE!) - these are common/general triggers for everyone.
So, I would say to continue on doing what you're doing. I had discomfort and some other problems when I started eating beans and fruit (mostly with the fruit). It just takes a while for those enzymes to kick in, start working, and producing more. "If you don't use it, you lose it" explains pretty well what happens with those enzymes.
Good luck, Beth. I agree with Kate and everyone else who said they're so proud of you. Keep up the good work and overcoming those food fears.
Big hugs! 
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It is good to be able to see a psychologist who is so educated about the woes of living with a chronic GI problem that is so unpredictable and so frustrating! (too bad she is so far away I have to take an entire day off work. Plus, it's expensive to park in Downtown Chicago....but I'm gonna try and keep seeing her. I have lots of vacation and sick days left to use.
The thing with IBS is that it's hard to know if the problems are temporary or a true trigger/problem food.
So, you think I would be okay keeping all these foods...or do you think I should slow down and only add one new food a week or so? Maybe there isn't any good answer. Were you able to add the fruit and beans at the same time, or did you do one for a while, then the other? (BTW, did you ever try to eat the fruit with the skins yet)?
Thanks so much for your support, Maria. It is so much appreciated!
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I think Maria is "on" to something with the "if you don't use it, you lose it" philosophy. It does take awhile of regularily incorporating the new foods in pleasant/safe ways to engage your own body's enzymes. I suspect that your g.i. psychologist will help you deal with your body's terror in response to the new foods. If I'm tense/frightened when I eat anything new, then my g.i. muscles are really "tight" (constricted) and well...there's less digestive flow and often pain.
It took me about a month of regularily incorporating legumes (initially pureed/soupy) until they didn't hassle me/rattle me. Eating new foods in conjunction with familiar foods helps enormously. Texture helps too. Eat like a child and be fussy/picky! Play with it and make it fun, eye-candy to ease your body's fears. Hide something in some mashed potatoes--something challenging and new. Sneak something into a sandwich or a soup or dip or sauce.
I think, though, that keeping it very plain and simple helps a lot. Creating a calm and relaxing eating environment helps enormously. I cannot believe that I'm eating foods like bok choy and tofu and black beans and lentils regularily without attacks! Broccoli, even without Beano, doesn't give me a gas attack, anymore!
You're doing great, Beth. It takes awhile to learn that new things aren't always painful and traumatic. They're mostly different. It takes a few weeks for the body to "learn" what to do with a new set of foods. Baby steps.
Kate, IBS-D.
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I think you should continue eating all these foods and from now on only add one new food a week. Try eating the new food at least three times a week to get an idea if it's affecting you in anyway.
The only thing I saw on your list that would really bother me would be the chips with apricots. I'm not sure if chips would be enough of an SF base for apricots (which contain lots of fiber). I would try chopping up the apricots and adding them to your hot cereal or in your bread.
It's hard for me to explain how I incorporate new foods because I'm not very organized about it or think about it too much. Usually, I'll just think, "Beans sound good" or "I need more fruit" or "I love broccoli" and then figure out how to prepare them in an IBS safe way and then I'll eat them several times during the week. I usually do one new food for a couple of weeks. So when I started with beans, I kept the rest of my meals the same, and then ate those beans for a few days; I kept up this, got through the initial gassiness. I now try to incorporate legumes at least once a week to keep those enzymes working. With fruits, I'm still eating the Gerber baby food fruits. I probably added those a couple of weeks after my bean experiment (I'm not exactly sure of the time frame). I'll usually have a jar with my breakfast. After dinner I'll have 1/2 tin of pineapple tidbits and I'm doing really well with these. I had to cut back on bananas (unless in a smoothie) because they give me too much gas - even if I eat one every day for weeks, I'm still really gassy. For some reason, it's not a problem if it's in a smoothie (I'll get the Protein Berry Pizazz at Jamba Juice and never have a problem). I'm still eating those Van Wheat Free Blueberry waffles - not because I'm GF but just because they taste so good and contain lots of blueberries. Oh, they're really good with applesauce! Try it! Yum! This summer I'm going to try eating nectarines and plums (with peels) as dessert.
Anyway, I don't want to confuse you! What you're doing right now is great and you should continue eating these foods. They sound great and delicious! Remember, part of your pain could just be that your stomach is not used to having so much food in it. Again, this is something that will get better as you continue to eat regularly and healthily. I'm sure your GI specialist/psyhcologist has more information about this. Please continue seeing her! Use those extra hours you have! Can you buy a parking permit? Whatever you have to do, keep on seeing her - it's worth it! (Oh, and have you decided about those hypno tapes/CDs?)
In a way, I wish you would post your daily meals/supplements/meds on the fitness board, but I understand you're afraid of becoming obsessive over it. I just got bored of taking the time to post - I think because I'm feeling better and doing other things now. But maybe if you posted we could help you keep your anxieties in check or something? If we're all reading, commenting, and not judging you, without the expectation of having to do it everyday, maybe we could help you overcome that tendency to obsess over what you're eating? I don't know much about EDs and the psychology behind them, so don't let me talk you into doing something you know is wrong for you.
I got your email! I'll try to reply sometime in the next couple of days. I work weekends now and have been busy working on some projects.
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#263264 - 05/13/06 05:44 PM
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Broccoli, even without Beano, doesn't give me a gas attack, anymore!
Yeah, Kate! That's excellent progress you've made! And you're right about taking baby steps. Good advice as always. 
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#263270 - 05/13/06 06:35 PM
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It's weird, but with enough positive exposure to certain foods, one's own body becomes efficient at digesting it. Broccoli is one example. Legumes can also be challenging, initially.
I think that following Heather's advice about safe fruit/veggie (IF) consumption makes the biggest positive impact. I've stopped using Beano as a crutch without nasty effects. I'm learning to trust my body to "figure it out."
A sense of humour is essential.
However, I must re-iterate, that following Heather's advice about challenging foods and their preparation makes the difference.
Try "just one bite." If you feel like 2 or 3, great--if not, no pressure. (Hehe, my new food for this week is organic kale.)
Kate, IBS-D.
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#263272 - 05/13/06 06:49 PM
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Marci, I'm turning into "a gorilla in the mist."
Yes, I think that all the legumes are making the difference. Plant food/vegetable protein is EASILY DIGESTIBLE and full of B vitamins, iron, calcium, anti-oxidants that I believe are more easily accessible to my immuno-suppressed body.
Beans certainly are magickal foods. Seriously, I think it is because the nutrients are so easily absorbable and digestible. Also, and this is "way out there," but my soul had issues with animal foods and they gave me rude tummy aches and heartburn. So, I'm eating with soul and giving my body nutritional information that it can process and quickly assimilate. Most of the stuff I eat you could feed an infant with allergies--just very well food processed.
I've stopped being obsessive about food processing, lately, too. My teeth want to chew & certain foods actually taste much better when I go through the mouth aspect of digestion, i.e. carrots, green beans, etc. If, however, I get tense, it will go in the food processor. I know, if I'm stressed out I'll have a bad gas attack and, uh, I like stinky foods--I think it's a part of being an "Earth Girl."
Yes, the nutrients in plant protein are more easily digestible (and colourful, and interesting!).
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I said have the same amount again OR LESS. Beth, YOU are in control of all this, hon. You have to do what you feel is best. Every day, every other day, it's entirely up to you. I was just trying to suggest don't give up the very first time. Re think it, and try again in whatever way you feel is appropriate.
I'm sorry you're losing weight again. Is there something you know you CAN eat with no problem? If so, I would be eating it constantly throughout the day. Give yourself a good, safe SF base and keep it going.
I'm so sorry that you're in such pain, hon. I wish with all my heart I could take it away for you.
Love and hugs, A.
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Beth, consider taking the El or Metra! There's a bunch of El stations with $1.50 parking, and I swear it's the most stress-free way to travel downtown. Once you've done it once or twice, you will just waltz on board with a book or a crossword puzzle, sit down, and relax for 20-30 minutes.
I go downtown every day on the El, and when I'm reading a great book, my commutes are the best part of the day. 
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Hi Beth,
I think I would start off with the smoothie. You have the banana as a good SF base, then add a little of only 1 other fruit. Try it a few times a week and see how you feel. After a couple of weeks, then you might want to add something new, or increase the fruit a little more.
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...just little amounts of beans (like 1 T) and then increase over that month to 1/2 cup or something like that?
Thanks for all your support. This is such a puzzle...so hard.
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Just to clarify...I don't use the chips as the SF base for apricots...sorry for the misunderstanding. I usually eat the apricots after 1/2 dose Citrucel, 1/2 piece of white rice bread, one whole piece of brown rice bread (with turkey on each), and a serving of cooked zucchini. Maybe that isn't enough SF?
I think your approach to adding new foods (not obsessing over it, just eating what you're in the mood for) has probably helped reduce your anxiety. That is good!
I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to eat some banana except in a smoothie.  I mean, the chemical components would be the same and there is no skin. How often do you eat the smoothie ? Maybe it only has a little banana in it? Are you sure this is the case? BTW, what's in the Protein Berry Pizazz because it sounds delicious!
I can't wait until nectarines and plums come back in season! Let me know how it goes eating these fresh with the peels and not cooking and paring them! That's what I hope to do again too! I'm still leery about apple peels, though.
I think about posting my foods on the fitness board, but it doesn't seem like the feedback is based on whether the meals are safe. It seems mostly for weight loss/exercise encouragement. Plus, yep, I'm scared of the obsessing again...but then again, I'm more obsessed not knowing and it would be very helpful if people were willing to guide me. I wouldn't feel so alone and in the dark with this guessing game.
thanks again, Maria!
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I did initially, but I think it ended up being where I had to drive to the El, transfer to another El, transfer to a bus, then walk. I am not Chicago "savy" at all! I still get lost every single time I go and every single time I try to get home. And the other drivers aren't too sympathetic to a lost driver on Michigan Avenue!
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...are the problem?
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Reintroducing foods would be less scary if I had had a positive experience. It's hard to keep trying when the new approach resulted in such worse pain. I didn't think it could get worse.
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I wonder why? Is that common for others with UC? How are the symptoms for UC different from IBS? Just curious.
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Beth, I truly don't think food is the problem. You've said that AtomicRose has taken a look at what you're eating and believes you're following the Diet guidelines. Since I'd rate her as one of the top people on the Board as far as truly understanding the EFI Diet, I've got to believe you've got the balancing act between SF and IF down pat.
Beyond that, you've said in the past that you usually have better BMs on the weekend, so I think the problem is more likely the stress side of IBS. If that's the case, then introducing any new food might make you worse simply because you'll be so worried over it.
I know I'm repeating myself, but I think you should keep eating what you've been eating and do the hypno program. It seems to be the best tool people have found for easing stress and - in the best case - actually retraining their gut. And there really is no reason for you not to go ahead and just do it: you already have the CDs and Ginger has offered her CD player.
Even if you don't want to take the loan of Ginger's CD player, do the program anyhow. From what other people have said, it sounds like running over into the second session doesn't make the program worthless. And - repeating myself again, I know - if you're stressing about running over into the second session, then set a timer to go off when the first session is going to be over.
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Re: Marci
#263465 - 05/15/06 10:26 AM
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I'm happy that the Levison is allowing you to enjoy GREAT FOOD! Everywhere I go, everyone comments about my hair and it's naturally intense colour/shine. I guess the lignans in plant protein are doing their work! I haven't used Peptobismal in months, either! I have osteopenia and there is so much more calcium in plant foods, especially soy protein.
Mostly, I like the foods & that's important--to enjoy what you eat. I am so thankful to the Creator for the bounty of the Earth.
Lately, though, I'm enjoying cooked greens as salad more than lettuce--I like the robust intensity of the colours and flavours. I had roasted radicchio and romaine for my salad, yesterday. I do think it's important to try things in IBS-safe ways and even try old familiar things in new ways, too.
Kate, IBS-D.
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Actually, I started with 1/3 c. and now can actually eat a whole cup in a sitting (i.e. of legumes) if they're mashed or pureed/blended.
Kate, IBS-D.
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I've been talking to Beth about how the fear of pain can make it really hard to try new foods, and make it harder for the body to accept them. She and I have also talked about different foods, and I really hopes she'll take up the hypno. Beth if you're reading this, I'm not ignoring you, dear friend. It's nice that someone like Sand is thinking on the same lines as me. Just trying to help!
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You can try peaches if the bananas don't work, or maybe try including some acacia, or benefibre in the smoothie.
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Beth, these board members are giving you excellent advice. I'm so happy you are trying new foods. You must keep trying. Maybe the tapes? Go for it!! A process of elimination may find the culprit, but from my experience, I do everything right and still have a bad day and night from trapped gas. But you must have a balanced diet. Love and prayers. Bette
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Just wanted to clarify that I am eating different foods than when I used to send my meal plans to Casey. More daring and questionable...so I'm not sure I do have the SF:IF balance down as I change to new foods.
Also, unfortunately, my weekends are usually as screwed up as the rest of the week now.
I know stress is a probably a biggy for me though. I'll never deny that one. I know it is probably greatly impeding my quality of life.
Thanks for the reminder. Don't ever worry about reminding me about when needed.
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Hey Beth, post your starting and ending points here (or send them to me privately if you prefer), and I'll work out a foolproof public transit route for you! I've been doing the El/bus thing for over 8 years now, and I know all the tricks on the transitchicago.com website too....
Driving on Michigan Ave is icky unless 1) it's 10 pm or later and 2) you're not in a hurry!
--AC (now planning her transit route for her first mammogram...)
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