Need advice for C and painful cramps
#234243 - 12/29/05 07:35 AM
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Right now I have the worst case of cramps and abdominal pain..but I'm also very constipated. So, how do I treat them both without making the other worse?
If I do IF, the cramps and pain will most likely increase. But if I don't, I probably will not be able to go, right?
What do I do? I know I should know this by now....but I'm in so much pain, I can't think straight and need advice guys. Please Help! 
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My cramps usually come with C/bloating, so I feel your pain!
I think the effect you want to go for here is to get everything moving gently. For me, this means having an IF/SF combo in every meal: vegetable soup and sourdough toast, for example. Also, I drink loads of tea and force myself to exercise for at least 30 minutes a day. I hate doing the latter when I feel crampy and gross, but I feel better afterwards. Walking is fantastic - I think it convinces my colon to flow gently along rather than getting tied up in knots.
As with all IBS-C things, this works the best the longer you do it.
For more immediate relief, it's peppermint tea and a heating pad, with an optional cat on top of the heating pad.  I'll also revisit the hypno CDs because they have taught me how to (at least partially) release the cramps and relax.
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Beth I know the last thing you want to probably do is move but that really helps me. Even if it is walking around my house doubled over. It will help me have a movement. Peppermint if you can stand if. I like tea best because it is soothing to my tummy and the warmth helps me sometimes go. Use a heating pad and if you can't be where you can use one Thermacare makes these stick on pads that you can wear under your clothes and it provides a warm heat for about 8 hours. I use them during my time of the month. Hang in there Bethie, I know it hurts!
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How do you eat during this time? Do you still eat the IF or do you do the breaking the cycle diet? Or do you still eat normally and still take your usually med/supplements? Should I keep eating fruits with peels on them today? Or go for rice and applesauce or bananas....although those won't help my C at all! In fact...probably make it worse
I just did a little work (left work and got caught), but I don't feel much relief. UGH....I know this will pass, but it still stinks.
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thanks AC
#234295 - 12/29/05 10:19 AM
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Augie
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I just went for a walk, but it didn't help much.
I usually always eat an SF/IF combo at every meal....so don't know what set this off.
Should I keep eating fruits with peels on them today?
I'll try to keep drinking, although when you feel so horrible in the belly area, I don't want to put anything into my system to make it even fully or set off even more cramps and pain.
Thanks for your continued help and advice...both of you!
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I still eat Sf first then I do eat IF but only on a full belly. See I usually have really bad C and the exlosive D so I am pretty cleaned out afterwards so I don't worry about "plugging" myself up with SF. I guess the more I have been thinking about it I am IBS-A during my attacks. THis morning I had cereal then applesauce for a snack. I ate pretzles and rice with chicken for lunch. But I eat really small portions a lot of times through the day because I can't stand that full bloated feeling if I eat to much at once.
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Beth,
As a C on meds that are making me more C these days..I'm right beside you 
i FINALLY had a BM this a.m.
I ate soooo much IF yesterday. With SF. In fact, I've been doing this the past few WEEKS! Loads of fruits and veggies.
I think my bod finally gave in. "Here's your BM, ma'am".
It does hurt! No doubt about it.
So how did I manage? Lots of yoga on the FLOOR, belly massages, tea, tea, tea, eating more than I felt like I could/should, and adding olive oil to my pasta (not a ton...maybe a tbls. a bowl).
Making myself eat was import. So was eating enough fat. And eating enough IF.
And movement. I couldn't really exercise. Muscle stiffness from the meds took care of that! So I gardened, swept the floor, stuff like that.
HTH...keep posting and keep on keeping on *hugs*
Love you!
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Hmm, it could just be one of those IBS thangs... I know that sometimes I can get a bout of cramping C and I have no clue where it comes from!
Anyhow, I would definitely keep up the IF/SF combos: IF to get things moving and SF to give a "cushion". Just keep sipping on warm beverages because dehydration will definitely make your cramping worse! When I get in these situations, I just keep upping my IF and exercise (amount or intensity) until it (ahem) passes. (I also sneak in some regular black tea since I love it and sometimes a gentle dose of caffeine will get things moving.) It isn't a quick fix, but it doesn't swing me over to D, either.
Are you doing the hypno CDs? Do you have a heating pad for your belly? Something interesting to read/watch/listen to? That's how I get over the hump while I'm waiting for the exercise/IF/illicit caffeine to kick in fully....
--AC
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Beth, All good advice: heat, exercise, water, S&IS fiber. Are you taking the flaxseed meal and the triphalla? It has really helped me. Eat the soluble fiber, then as much fiber as you dare, even some unpeeled veg and fruits. I even have been following Bevrs advice: a small bit of bourbon seems to relax the colon and expel gas. Small bit only. Hope this helps. Also I am being a baby and taking Donnatol. It's so good to get some sleep. xo Bette
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Hi Boo!
#234639 - 12/30/05 12:43 PM
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What brand/amount of flax you take...and only after some SF? And how much Triphala do you take?
I'm still taking 4000mg of triphala in capsules and one T of Nutures Life flax powder....but it isn't helping.
What SFS do you take? Acacia? How much?
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Eat the soluble fiber, then as much fiber as you dare
Did you mean SF food or a supplement?
How much bourbon do you drink? What is bourbon anyhow?
Is a 30 minute walk a day enough excercise?
Thanks Boo! sorry, so many quesstions! I'm just trying to get a hold of this attack soon!
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Re: Hi Boo!
#234757 - 12/31/05 02:46 AM
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Beth, That should be plenty of triphalla, but you may take more flaxseed. I take 3 rounded T of Bob's Red Mill ground flaxseed meal, then be sure you drink enough liquid. 30 minutes of exercise is good, get more if you can. Bourbon is whiskey. Bev drinks Jack Daniels bourbon and I have Walker's Deluxe. Drink only 1 T. with water. It relaxes your abdomen when it is all uptight. I take 1000-2000 mg. triphalla. I should have said eat IF after you eat the SF. (fruits, veg, etc.) I take 2 T of acacia a day. Make it in the AM and drink all day. I drink the peppermint and fennel tea, too. Peppermint causes GERD, which I control with Pepcid and 1/2 Tum tablet. Very complicated isn't it? Just try different amounts and things and see what works. I'm getting away with that because the Donnatol stops the pain from the spasms. Hope this helps. Ask all the questions you like. I don't explain things well. xo Bette
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Beth
#234793 - 12/31/05 09:06 AM
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I don't how it works for others but when I am severly constipated, I will cramp and the pain will be awful. When I poo...the cramps and pain go away.
Once when I had a lower GI, the tech actually showed me my intestines and how the poo travels through your intestines to your sigmoid and then out. I swear there are times that I can feel "stuff" traveling as I have a cramp out of nowhere and then soon thereafter need to "go". Then the cramps disappear.
HTH
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Hi AC, Thanks again for the get well card! Your advice here
is sound. I was having cramps in the old sigmoid colon. At
dinner, I had a good size bowl of TJ's sweet potato soup
and a couple of cups of good hot tea. Then a while after
dinner I had a reasonable BM, and the cramps were gone.
Say, I'll still be down here till Jan.7th. Would you be
interested in a Chicago area get-together? I would've
called earlier but I stupidly forgot to bring your real
name and address with me. I also left little bear's at
home. I do know her real name and that she lives in
Geneva which isn't too far. Maybe Beth, and Ginger might
be interested too. I mentioned the possibility to Beth
in an email last night. I'm sure she's reading this right
now. She had bugged me about not posting. You see Beth,I
now have posted , even using my sister's laptop.
My sister's address is 4231 N.Leavitt St. It's about two
blocks from the corner of Lincoln Ave. and Irving Park Rd.
The phone no. is 773-348-0905. My sister has two vehicles,
and my Dad could drive me to wherever the best meeting
place would be. I may even be able to just take the L.
-Bob
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I add one T to breakfast cereal and it tastes very flaxy! Can't imagine adding more to it! What is a safe way to take your flax, since it does contain IF and also fat?
When do you take Donnatol? Morning and night? Everyday? I thought you could only take that one at night since it causes such drowsiness, doesn't it?
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Beth, 3 T doesn't seem like too much mixed with rice milk in the AM. I think it would help you, even if it has fat. I eat very low fat the rest of the day. Take 2 Donnatol before bed. I've had cancer and other problems so long, I just throw the medicine down (flax, fiber, pills, whatever) without thinking too much about it. I know it's hard to be brave when you expect pain from everything. By the way don't become an alcoholic on my advice. Meant to say I only take that when I have that tied up in a knot, swallowed a basketball feeling. LOL Keep trying. xo B
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Boo, when do you take your flax? After you eat something in the morning for breakfast?
If it isn't too much trouble, do you think you could post a sample day of how you take your supplements and what you eat before or after as meals/snacks? If you want, you can email me...my email address is in my profile.
Thank you so much for your patience. I hope to be where you are so badly.
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~ Beth
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Thanks Ruchie! Poor kitty is doped up on anti-histamines right now because he's licking his back so much that it's bleeding. He's not the brightest cat, but he does love to hug people....
--AC
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Hi Bob--
Jeez, I used to live about a half a mile from your sister's place, and walk past it on the way to the library every week! Now I'm a 45 minute drive away. I'll have to ponder on where a good place to meet in that 'hood is: Resi's Bierstube is delicious but about the least IBS-friendly place there is.....
--AC
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Hi AC, We don't have to meet in my nbhd. I'm sure I could
get my Dad to drive me or take the L or buses. Where do you
work? Maybe it may be more convenient to meet after you get
out of work. I have some some medical tests at Northwestern'
s Med Center on St. Clair st. thursday and friday, and I'll
be flying out of O'Hare saturday aft. around 2pm. I'll get
ahold of Beth to see if she can make it too. -Bob
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Hello! I have started going to a naturopath and it has helped the constipation. The first part of her plan was for me to do a cleanse - CleanseSmart by Renewlife. There are two parts to it, and I was never able to take the full dose of the colon cleanse portion because it worked too well. If you are interested in only that part of the cleanse it is also sold separately as CleanseMore. The only negative thing about it is the cramping that would happen right before a BM.
The second part was dietary suggestions. Her advice was that the plate at lunch and supper should be divided into three sections - 1/4 protein, 1/4 starch, and 1/2 the plate should be vegetables. This is the tricky part, because many foods we consider vegetable are actually considered starches - corn, peas, green/yellow beans, root vegetables such as carrots and beets, squash and pumpkin. The list of choices for vegetables are leafy greens, broccoli, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, zucchini, peppers, mushrooms, sprouts, asparagus.
She also gave me a list of foods to watch out for as many people have sensitivities to them. These include oranges, artificial sweeteners, corn, coffee, alcohol, tomatoes, bell peppers, peanuts, soy, dairy, meat and wheat.
This isn't the easiest diet to follow and during the holiday season it was almost impossible for me to even come close to following it, but when I did follow it I had major improvement in most of my symptoms. I have even been into dairy products over the holidays without major consequences. She has me taking digestive enzymes and the long term goal is to improve my situation so I only need to take stuff like that occasionally. Right now I take the CleanseMore pills if I start to feel constipated or if I ate something I probably shouldn't have ate. For me it takes at least 12 hours for those to kick in. I'm also taking a calcium-magnesium supplement, but that alone hasn't been enough to prevent constipation. It's definitely worth trying out even part of this plan.
Hope this helps!
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Beth, I'll e-mail you tomorrow. Have to get to bed, been gone all day. xo
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Cleansing, etc.
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It's great that this approach works for you, but since this is a support Board for people on Heather's diet, I want to point out that colon cleansing is directly antithetical to Heather's approach to IBS. Heather's approach is based on soothing the colon to reduce spasms. Colon cleansing irritates the colon, hence the cramps you mention. Anyone considering doing a colon cleanse can do a Board Search and find lots of past posts on this subject.
Also, dairy is an IBS trigger and the fact that it didn't have immediate consequences doesn't mean it isn't causing problems. Finally, in my opinion, making 1/2 of a meal SF is safer than just 1/4 and, except for zuchinni and mushrooms, the vegetable choices you list would destroy my stomach unless I ate them with a solid SF base.
I'm not saying this approach isn't worth considering for people who aren't doing well with Heather's diet, I'm just saying this approach runs counter to Heather's approach and I don't think you can combine the two.
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But could you tell me what digestive enzymes you are taking and how much.
I'm glad you feel this has worked for you, but beware the CleanseMore contains Senna which ic not good long term. Can cause cathartic colon and problems.
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Hi Bob--
I work downtown (south Loop), so meeting at 4:30 or so either in the Loop or River North (around the hospital area, roughly) would work well for me. I know that there's a Corner Bakery near the hospital, but I'm not sure how late it's open.
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If your referring to the bakery by Northwestern GI clinice, that's the corner bakery I eat my lunch at while waiting to see the Doctor! I have to take the bus and walk to St. Clair's so I leave early and brown bag a lunch and eat their! 
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youre stuck too?? SO AM I!! ps--i *do not* recommend taking/trying that organic fiber blend [member awhile back we were talking about it?] i got it and well--you may as well just stir in psyllium powder to water and try to choke it down! it tastes like liquid oatmeal which doesnt make you want to take it moreso remembering to take it daily is a pain. i stopped my routine of it before it even started and since then ive been stuck with the C too  its dreadfully uncomfortable.
i havent a thing to recommend you either--otherwise id probably be feeling better as well. anything i could offer has probably been said already but its worth a try! maybe go back to a few days of BTC? i know its a pain but b/c its so starchy it will probably build up good poops so you can at least get some relief. stick to basics and keep water and a pot of peppermint tea on hand. do you work/go to school? maybe take a day off. ive been relaxing from the holidays and though im still C, its been a lot less stressful on my bowels then if i were to be working. also, i wanted you to know: i found this great little place by me that offers hour-long yoga sessions for only $10! theres no hidden fees or paying in advance and its really great. i know youre in chicago but im not sure where. if youre into yoga and around milwaukee/central/foster, theres a strip mall with a building called GLADSTONE CHIROPRACTICS. they teach yoga there and it is wonderful! ive only gone once but afterwards i felt great. they have mostly night hours too, around 7 and one saturday class at 10. i felt awesome after i left and want to keep it up for my IBS [i explained that to the instructer and she did special stretches specifically for digestion] anywhoo i hope you feel better sweetie! post back if you got some remedies i havent tried yet k? later!
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Beth, Say, if you take a CTA bus to get to St. Clair st.You
can't possibly live real far south of Chicago. I thought
you meant like you lived 50 miles south or so.-Confused Bob
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Hi AC, Then from what Beth said, I gather you're talking
about Northwestern Univ.'s Med School Hospital on St.Clair
st.? If so, which street intersection is nearest the bakery
? I might just be able to head on down there right after my
tests on thurs. or friday. I'll call my GI doc's office to-
morrow to check out my test times, I'm pretty sure they're
not going to last up to or past 430. I see that Ashley(
little bear) just posted. I'll email her and see if she can
make it too. -Bob
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It's the "Corner Bakery" at Erie & St. Clair (http://www.cornerbakery.com/menu/default.asp?Unit_ID=001.023.0062&state=IL) that I'm thinking about. We could buy a loaf of bread and and eat it plain amongst all of us! That and some herbal tea would make a great afternoon snack.....
It looks like they're open until 8 pm according to metromix.com, so I think it'll work.
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AC, Ah Great! I emailed Ashley about two hours ago and told
her to either call or email you or me. Say, do you know
EPA Ginger's email address, do you think she might want to
come too? Things are looking up! -Bob
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Sorry, I don't know anyone's e-mail address.  I suppose that once we have a date for this get-together, we could make a separate post announcing this....
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Hi Ashley
#235217 - 01/02/06 02:48 PM
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Augie
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I saw that fiber in the store and when I saw it was 75% IF, I took a pass.
I'm not sure where that yoga place is...I live in the south suburbs. Probaby not close at all. Too bad....it sounds wonderful, especially since she is willing to do digestive poses. What city is this in? Are you up north or in Chicago?
I'm afraid to do the BTC diet because I think I need the IF. I don't know. What do you do when you get like this? I stopped taking my Librax in hopes that the anitspasmodic was the cause. I just started it and that's right around when the C got real bad, I think. But it's suppose to help with the pain...so I can't win.
I'm finally resorting to Miralax, but that stuff isn't so great either. Have you tried it? What are you doing to keep from being totally blocked up? It hurts so bad, doesn't it?
You should post more....I miss seeing you on the board! 
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Sweet potatoes have lots of fibre in them, if you eat one or two, it should help you "go"
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Awww! Poor kitty *hugs*
Keep me updated on his condition....that's SO SAD
*hugs* for your kitty
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I am so sorry about your cat. He looks almost like mine -- except she has a black chin. She is 3 months shy of a year old now. I actually have 3 cats. lol
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Thanks both of you for the good wishes! The goofball is not in any pain, but he is giving us dirty looks for feeding him antihistamines. You'd think a cat wouldn't mind sleeping a few extra hours each day... I'm also giving him some of my fish oil since apparently the dry skin comes from his not getting enough Omega 3s.
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Hi AC, I'm at the library branch you used to go to,my sister
had to take her laptop to work. I checked my med appt.'s
this morning and thursday is a go! I should be done with the
anorectal manometry test by 1:30. There are some Army sur-
plus stores in the loop that I'll check out between then and
4:30. So I'll be at the Corner Bakery at 4:30. I haven't
been able to check my email yet because there seems to be
something wrong with the server, so I don't know if Ashley
emailed me back yet. She hasn't called. Have you heard from
her? Could you make the post on the get-together board?
There's been problems with this PC and I'm down to 15 min-
utes. I won't have access to my sister's laptop till later
this evening. I hope we can get some people! Looking foward
to meeting you. I should be easily recognizable. I'll be
wearing my Scottish Glengarry hat along with my red British
Army vest. See you on thursday! -Bob
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What a cutie kitty LOL Dirty looks LOL Don't they just KNOW how to get to us.....
Fish oils...what a good idea! That cat's got the best mamma!!! 
More hugs being sent in your kitty's direction (btw, what's his name)?
P.S. All I ever wanted was a cat. I'm Allergic *sneeze* j/k Seriously...next time you give the cat a hug...send it right from me...  
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i never know what to do when my body gets like that! most times i eat a little less over a few days and it seems to level out. but its never solved.
yah about the fiber blend--a lady at the store i bought it at said having a SF/IF mix was better then just an SF blend. but i think she was referring to the other fiber blend by renewLIFE. that stuff had the same as this stuff + other tummy soothing herbs [marshmellow root, slippery elm bark..] perhaps i will try that another time. for now i decided to take the psyllium again.
i live w/my bf probably more west of you..by skokie and morton grove if you know that area.
i wished i couldve been posting more around the holidays but i was just so busy!! i was going here and there soo many times--im so glad its over im gonna try to post a little more or at least read some more posts. i like visiting on here and always forget to in my little spare time. take care beth! good talking to you
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I wouldn't knock it until you try it. We all have to remember to be objective about what we read and be open minded about solutions for our problems. For example, not everyone can tolerate acacia, yet it is one of the things suggested on these boards.
I've seen Augie posting on here for months looking for answers, obviously the Eating for IBS diet isn't working for her. I feel terrible every time I see her messages because no matter how hard she tries she isn't relieved of her pain. I think it's great that people can come onto these message boards and bounce ideas off each other, because we all know our family doctors and specialists are not a lot of help. I am also much more willing to take on a plan that has future goals of allowing me to eat what I want without fear and not having to eat like a rabbit for the rest of my life.
You say in your opinion the 1/2 SF is safer, but have you tried eating more IF? I was skeptical too at first but was very happy to see how well they agreed with me. I think sometimes we become so afraid of upsetting our stomach that we baby it too much and don't provide it with what it needs to function properly. I would also like to point out that I was not trying to combine the two plans, I was just providing different information. This may not have occured to you but the colon is muscle, and we all know that any muscle that isn't properly exercised will hurt when used past its capacity. In effect the cleanse was helping to strengthen the colon so it was strong enough to work on it's own.
FYI - after too many days of holiday celebrations, I fell into the deep fatique that always follows a poor diet, and all it took was one meal that followed my naturopath's suggestions to give me back my energy and flat tummy.
When it comes down to it we're all on here to help ourselves and each other. I've spent over $200 on appointments with the naturopath plus the cost of supplements and groceries, and I thought I would do everyone a favour by posting the information I paid dearly for so they could see for themselves what their other options might be. No matter what we are all eating for IBS, however we choose, it doesn't mean we that we have to succumb to a diet of white bread and applesauce for the rest of our lives. I say this with no disrespect for Heather, she has done amazing work to help so many people, but there are usually more than one way to solve a problem and we shouldn't be so quick to reject an alternate solution.
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The digestive enzymes I take are Jamieson brand. I take at least one at breakfast to control the morning bloating, and up to three at a time if I'm eating something that isn't good for me.
I am not taking the CleanseMore on a regular basis, even during the cleanse I was only taking one pill every other day or so (it recommends up to two a day). That pill isn't really needed if you're following a high fiber diet. I found there were way less side effects caused by the dairy when I took one afterwards. I would not have been able to enjoy the holidays at all if it weren't for these two supplements. She also said that in the long run I will not require the enzymes and stuff if I continue to follow the general diet plan.
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#235670 - 01/04/06 01:35 PM
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I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention and I hoped I had made that clear in my closing paragraph. I have no problem with alternate approaches and new ideas. My concern was that, since there are people on the Boards who are new to Heather's diet, it was important to point out that your approach contradicted Heather's in some important areas.
I have felt for a while that the Diet Board seems to moving away from being a support group for Heather's Diet and more toward being a general IBS support Board. Frankly, I've been uncomfortable with that move and have tried to provide a counterweight. Perhaps it's time for me to stop swimming against the tide.
I'm glad you've found help from your naturopath and hope your generosity in sharing what you've learned helps others who are still struggling, especially those who, like Augie, have been trying for so long.
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Beth, Did you get my e-mail? Some people haven't been getting it lately. Let me know. bjlars@bresnan.net. xo Bette
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Oh no!
#235852 - 01/05/06 07:05 AM
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I've become the poster child for being an Eating for IBS disaster case! That stinks! I'm sorry if my posts bring people down....I wish I could give better reports, believe me!
Sorry if my ongoing failure with the diet is causing others to get down. I don't want to quit posting...but I can't make my body cooperate and get better.
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Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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I can't find these anywhere. What is the name. They are made by Jamiesom, but is that the entire name?
Did she say you will eventually be able to come off the Cleansemore too? Because that one is the kind you become dependent on over time.
Thanks for thinking of me.
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Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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I just buy them at any drugstore. That may just be Canadian brand. Look at other brands and compare what they have in them. This brand has papain and bromelain (protein digestion), lipase (fat digestion), amylase (carbohydrate and starch digestion), lactase (dairy digestion) and cellulase (fiber digestion). If you are unsure of a brand check to see how many different types of macromolecules it digests because some don't cover all the ones I listed above.
I'm already off the cleansemore. Now I just keep it on hand for a jumpstart when things seem to stop working on their own, then I'll be good again for awhile, especially if I watch what I eat and keep taking the magnesium supplement.
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